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Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 355	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:43:00 - [1] - Quote id be careful with tht SCr,you know what happend to the last weapon that was good at most ranges just because of it's hipfire accuracy,damage and rof,just saying it would be a pity if something happend to it.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2105	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:45:00 - [2] - Quote Not even close. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 835	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:46:00 - [3] - Quote Theres talk about SCR getting a range buff to match the range profile of lasers, but I sense that wont end well.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1800	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:49:00 - [4] - Quote ha, most won't speak on the SCR because they use em. They will talk about the AR to no end though.
Lea Silencio Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 632	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:49:00 - [5] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: id be careful with tht SCr,you know what happend to the last weapon that was good at most ranges just because of it's hipfire accuracy,damage and rof,just saying it would be a pity if something happend to it. It has its obvious disadvantages. How many people does it take saying so for you to understand that? It's perfectly balanced as is. Move around, clown. Purification. It's what I do.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 367	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:53:00 - [6] - Quote Imperial SCR is the kb/m specialty weapon. Now that they use it with the input emulator it is the best weapon in the game. The current movement is to reduce the DS3 AR capability to compete. Oh and to boost tanks back to invincibility and make HMG unstoppable. CCP is not that stupid though. Thank God.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 355	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:51:00 - [7] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Not even close. so better?
Rei Shepard Spectre II 870	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:13:00 - [8] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: id be careful with tht SCr,you know what happend to the last weapon that was good at most ranges just because of it's hipfire accuracy,damage and rof,just saying it would be a pity if something happend to it. Like 90% of the people using it in cqc run the weapon into overheat in frantic moments and then die, even ive run it into overheat and died because i made mistakes. the old Tac had a clip of 30 and no overheat mechanic, just slap in a new clip and continue firing, your opponent has to be a real scrub to let you survive 5 seconds of overheat, though ive had cqc engagements where 3 opponents couldnt kill me before the the gun cooled down, then i murdered all 3. It wasnt my gun doing this, they got killed by their inability to aim for 5 seconds straight. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Arcanine Rising Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:13:00 - [9] - Quote When people can't entertain the possibility that their weapon isn't balanced...you know your playing crutch514. Look around for comments expressing openness of opinion...you'll be left wanting. Shame really.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 871	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:23:00 - [10] - Quote Arcanine Rising wrote: When people can't entertain the possibility that their weapon isn't balanced...you know your playing crutch514. Look around for comments expressing openness of opinion...you'll be left wanting. Shame really. Because getting dropped by a mass driver shooting 3 rounds in your general direction = balance Because getting 700 EHP dropped by a Militia AR in less time it takes to turn around = balance Because getting OHK by a forge from accross the map = balance Because getting OHK by any turret accross the map = balance Because getting OHK by any Locust = balance But hey, getting dropped by a SCR in less time to it takes to turn around = unbalanced..... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1945	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:25:00 - [11] - Quote With a 78m range it's going to be insane. I won't be able to stay competitive with my weapon anymore, I'm going to say goodbye to my love (Tac AR, which will become completely obsolete) and join the Darkside (Rail or Scrambler). I will probably spec in both of them, so whatever gets nerfed, I will always have a powerful weapon to play with. This is why I'm saving 1+ million SP. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1804	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:29:00 - [12] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: With a 78m range it's going to be insane. I won't be able to stay competitive with my weapon anymore, I'm going to say goodbye to my love (Tac AR, which will become completely obsolete) and join the Darkside (Rail or Scrambler). I will probably spec in both of them, so whatever gets nerfed, I will always have a powerful weapon to play with. This is why I'm saving 1+ million SP. Go SCR. It's going to be the next big thing. I hate what they doing to the AR. I truly felt it needed no change besides adding the other racial variants.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1945	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:36:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: With a 78m range it's going to be insane. I won't be able to stay competitive with my weapon anymore, I'm going to say goodbye to my love (Tac AR, which will become completely obsolete) and join the Darkside (Rail or Scrambler). I will probably spec in both of them, so whatever gets nerfed, I will always have a powerful weapon to play with. This is why I'm saving 1+ million SP. Go SCR. It's going to be the next big thing. I hate what they doing to the AR. I truly felt it needed no change besides adding the other racial variants. Micheal, the AR's range is going to be BUFFED in 1.7. My TAR's range is going to be nerfed. Duvolle optimal 42m -> 48m Tac Duvolle optimal 65m -> 60m. Your weapon is going to stay competitive... enjoy it, since you can... -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles 895	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:37:00 - [14] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: With a 78m range it's going to be insane. I won't be able to stay competitive with my weapon anymore, I'm going to say goodbye to my love (Tac AR, which will become completely obsolete) and join the Darkside (Rail or Scrambler). I will probably spec in both of them, so whatever gets nerfed, I will always have a powerful weapon to play with. This is why I'm saving 1+ million SP. Go SCR. It's going to be the next big thing. I hate what they doing to the AR. I truly felt it needed no change besides adding the other racial variants. Micheal, the AR's range is going to be BUFFED in 1.7. My TAR's range is going to be nerfed. Duvolle optimal 42m -> 48m Tac Duvolle optimal 65m -> 60m. Your weapon is going to stay competitive... enjoy it, since you can... If they nerf the range of the TAC then they need to raise its ROF back. As far as the SCR, it will be balanced compared to the new weapons that are coming out. I doubt CCP is going to nerf anything because they seem to rather buff things instead which I think is the right path. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1949	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:46:00 - [15] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: If they nerf the range of the TAC then they need to raise its ROF back. As far as the SCR, it will be balanced compared to the new weapons that are coming out. I doubt CCP is going to nerf anything because they seem to rather buff things instead which I think is the right path. Unfortunatley, the nerf is confirmed https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279&find=unread I agree, it's completely wrong to buff the Scrambler AND nerf the TAC, but hey! It's CCP (I'm sorry for saying this, CCP, but I'm really mad at you)! -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4291	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:51:00 - [16] - Quote Lol, the downside is very much worth it for it's crazy power. Without Amarr assault, it fires as many bullets as a TAC has in it's clip. With it, it fires as many as the old tac. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1647	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:57:00 - [17] - Quote The only thing which is OP is aim assist since it aims for you and locks onto the enemy like a damn magnet
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 434	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:10:00 - [18] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: With a 78m range it's going to be insane. I won't be able to stay competitive with my weapon anymore, I'm going to say goodbye to my love (Tac AR, which will become completely obsolete) and join the Darkside (Rail or Scrambler). I will probably spec in both of them, so whatever gets nerfed, I will always have a powerful weapon to play with. This is why I'm saving 1+ million SP. Darkside?? O_o I didn't know I was part of the Dark Side. Heres hoping that the TAR is better in practice than in paper and you'll still be owning redberries and taking names, like you currently are Keri. But with that said, I will have fun running dual Scr or Rails with you :D The Sinwarden
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4292	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:14:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: The only thing which is OP is aim assist since it aims for you and locks onto the enemy like a damn magnet I saw a video of CEOPyrex, and right after he was complaining about aim assist he couldn't hit a heavy in CQC. Locks on to targets my ass *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1647	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:44:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: The only thing which is OP is aim assist since it aims for you and locks onto the enemy like a damn magnet I saw a video of CEOPyrex, and right after he was complaining about aim assist he couldn't hit a heavy in CQC. Locks on to targets my ass It works damn well for me CQC or long range i still notice it locking on and moving without me touching any buttons half the time AA shouldnt exist at all
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1386	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:54:00 - [21] - Quote I just don't like that people can fire it so quickly like the they use to with the TAC. Like with a modded controller or something.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 370	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:57:00 - [22] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: id be careful with tht SCr,you know what happend to the last weapon that was good at most ranges just because of it's hipfire accuracy,damage and rof,just saying it would be a pity if something happend to it. It has its obvious disadvantages. How many people does it take saying so for you to understand that? It's perfectly balanced as is. Move around, clown. Very true. Definitely has drawbacks compared to the AR. Keep spreading the word. I was never here.... Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4296	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:10:00 - [23] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: The only thing which is OP is aim assist since it aims for you and locks onto the enemy like a damn magnet I saw a video of CEOPyrex, and right after he was complaining about aim assist he couldn't hit a heavy in CQC. Locks on to targets my ass It works damn well for me CQC or long range i still notice it locking on and moving without me touching any buttons half the time AA shouldnt exist at all 1. I thought so too, but I told myself to look at my controller everytime I thought AA did something without me, and tada, my thumb was doing something without me thinking about it. Something similar to how people doing seance could swear they didn't move their hand, but they did it. 2. AA SHOULD exist. Controllers aren't accurate enough for shooters without a form of AA. All console shooters have it. COD, BF, Borderlands, EVEN PORTAL. That's right, portal has aim assist on consoles! magic! 3. If AA were to be removed, keeping M/K support would be unacceptable, turning a console shooter into a console PC hybrid where only people who connect a M/K can compete. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2078	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:17:00 - [24] - Quote Scrutiny of the ScR suffers from the anthropic principle. When used poorly, the ScR is barely noticeable. It can't be spammed for few lucky hits, and if you miss with the charged shot you've just lowered your dps for the next 20 seconds by about 40%. But when it's used right, you will drop almost instantly to its opening volley, if not instantly to a well timed charge shot. It will not feel nice. You will feel helpless, maybe even wronged. Those are the encounters you will remember, that is the impression of the ScR you will carry to the forums, and you will overlook all those times when it barely scratched you. No.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4296	Posted - 2013.11.11 14:27:00 - [25] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Scrutiny of the ScR suffers from the anthropic principle. When used poorly, the ScR is barely noticeable. It can't be spammed for few lucky hits, and if you miss with the charged shot you've just lowered your dps for the next 20 seconds by about 40%. But when it's used right, you will drop almost instantly to its opening volley, if not instantly to a well timed charge shot. It will not feel nice. You will feel helpless, maybe even wronged. Those are the encounters you will remember, that is the impression of the ScR you will carry to the forums, and you will overlook all those times when it barely scratched you. What I say comes from the impressions I have from using it. I completely dropped my duvolle for my SCR, and for over a month and a half used it exclusively. I only return to the duvolle from once in a while because the sound it makes is more satisfying ;) My favorite tactic I developed: Burst fire: Charge up the shot, then unleash it onto an enemy, and keep firing two or three more shots. This kills anything but heavies, that require slightly more than two or three shots. This happens so quickly that most people see it as an insta kill, as the game has no time to react and show in the UI they have been hit. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2142	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:29:00 - [26] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Is SCr the new TacAR of old? The ScR's good in close quarters, likely too good for a mid-range weapon, but I don't think its as ridiculously good as the old Tac AR.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1388	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:31:00 - [27] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Scrutiny of the ScR suffers from the anthropic principle. When used poorly, the ScR is barely noticeable. It can't be spammed for few lucky hits, and if you miss with the charged shot you've just lowered your dps for the next 20 seconds by about 40%. But when it's used right, you will drop almost instantly to its opening volley, if not instantly to a well timed charge shot. It will not feel nice. You will feel helpless, maybe even wronged. Those are the encounters you will remember, that is the impression of the ScR you will carry to the forums, and you will overlook all those times when it barely scratched you. no I can remember plenty of times when someone over heated and nearly or did kill themselves. I just don't like it when it appears that someone is firing a semi auto weapon faster then it's auto counterpart.
Hecarim Van Hohen Unkn0wn Killers 232	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:33:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Scrutiny of the ScR suffers from the anthropic principle. When used poorly, the ScR is barely noticeable. It can't be spammed for few lucky hits, and if you miss with the charged shot you've just lowered your dps for the next 20 seconds by about 40%. But when it's used right, you will drop almost instantly to its opening volley, if not instantly to a well timed charge shot. It will not feel nice. You will feel helpless, maybe even wronged. Those are the encounters you will remember, that is the impression of the ScR you will carry to the forums, and you will overlook all those times when it barely scratched you. no I can remember plenty of times when someone over heated and nearly or did kill themselves. I just don't like it when it appears that someone is firing a semi auto weapon faster then it's auto counterpart. Which overheats after 20 or so shots dealing 50 dmg (or so) and leaving you standing there with burnt fingers meaning anyone with half decent aim will kill you. D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Rei Shepard Spectre II 884	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:36:00 - [29] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: With a 78m range it's going to be insane. I won't be able to stay competitive with my weapon anymore, I'm going to say goodbye to my love (Tac AR, which will become completely obsolete) and join the Darkside (Rail or Scrambler). I will probably spec in both of them, so whatever gets nerfed, I will always have a powerful weapon to play with. This is why I'm saving 1+ million SP. Do note that if the scopes stay the same something at 78m out its going to take a good aim to hit the moving dot, not sayin i cant but its not gonna be insta drops at that range. I do hope that for the reduced range the tac has, that it at least regains its previous rate of fire, clip size and its lower recoil while having a scope that zooms in more then the SCR's scope witch is just a glorified Reflex Sight. But we will have to see, i already have 1.8m sp banked for the Rail rifle, in case that gun is really good. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 409	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:36:00 - [30] - Quote Its freaking dangerous to use the regular ScR in CQC. I always switch to SMG. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."

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