DUST Search - Laser rifles got nerfed!(not joking it's a stealth nerf)

Lynn Beck wrote:

dogmanpig wrote:

bumper cars!
btw it was always out to 85m in uprising

No .

I play laser as one of my many professions. Others being plasma cannons, mass drivers, flaylocks, smg's, and ever since chrome- the laser.

Ever since 1.3 (AT LEAST) the laser would be as follows:
0-65m damage starts at 25%, and ramps up until it maxes.
90m, this is when maximum damage is at its limit. At 90.5 meters, damage starts to drop off until 91. At said 91 meters, damage is 10% of the efficiency at maximum range- 12 to shield, 8 to armor.
Damage falls off further, at ~1% every 5 meters. Until of course, maximum range is achieved, which is like 190m

So don't you dare, sir, look at me shrugging your damn shoulders saying "seems alright to me" when I DOUBT YOU EVEN USE IT.
Anybody who uses the laser more than the occasional "meh i wanna shoot lazors ehehe" and then die in point blank and say "bah **** it, AR ALL THE WAY!"

I'm talking the people who have a fit, playstyle, and method to go with the weapon.
Lasers are not fine, never were, and you need to never post in this thread again.

Oh and by the way, i'll toss ya a like. juuust so i can take it away again.

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Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 205	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:51:00 - [1] - Quote I've noticed something... The Lr got nerfed. During uprising, the lasers' optimals were 65-90 meters, with damage being 120% to shield, and 80% to armor. Immediately after that, at 90.5meters, damage would drop by 90% of it's optimal, 12 for shield, 8 for armor. Now, damage drops to 86% against shields at 90m, and does around 23% at 91m. While it's good that damage dropoff was addressed, they lowered it's effectiveness within its' old range. I will test this farther tonight, but indeed they toyed with the laser, and didn't even bother to tell us. CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 521	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:33:00 - [2] - Quote reminds of the ninja nerf they did to nova knives a while back. looks at CCP in a condescending manner How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?*
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 205	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:38:00 - [3] - Quote Just further tested: At 0m damage is 24%, nothing new here Damage slowly raises until 64m, used to be 65 but meh. This is where damage is 120% against shields, 80% to armor Damage remains- until 85m, when it drops RAPIDLY until 90m, where it sits at 12% and slowly drops until it hits 1%, staying there from around 120 until at least 180m They ****** with the laser, nerfing it 5 meters AND NOT TELLING US! CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 205	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:07:00 - [4] - Quote Bump. LET IT BE KNOWN! CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 176	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:32:00 - [5] - Quote The real question is what happens to the laser rifle now? It used to be the premier weapon for the between rifle/sniper range... in 1.7 it won't be. Also, there should no range above 60 meters that an AR can outdamage a Laser, as it is now an AR does more damage at 90+ meters... an easy fix to Matchmaking
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 532	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:44:00 - [6] - Quote LR needs to hit out to 120m, don't change the damage when up close. This should be achieved via a sharpshooter skill, to reward people who invest deeply into the weapon. I haven't been able to use it effectively since 1.6 hit. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 909	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:04:00 - [7] - Quote I Love (yeah, sure) when I'm melting someone and he takes a few step back to avoid a death... buff my laser before 1.7 CCP!!! An unstoppable force of Rainbows. - First love-quitter in the history of video games.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 207	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:37:00 - [8] - Quote Shameless bump. GET ANGRY! CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2137	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:39:00 - [9] - Quote no time to adjust weapon ranges in light of new weapons that will all outclass LR worse than even SCR and AR do now. But time to ninja-nerf hotfix LR to be worse! hehehe so cool, this game.
Zero Notion Wraith Company 302	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:42:00 - [10] - Quote Man, I thought I was just imagining things with it. It's felt 'off' since the patch and I have been able to utilize it well enough here and there (especially when the enemy is grouped together or for clearing ledges) but I've been sticking with the ScR more or less. I miss using it, it's a bummer.

Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 209	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:25:00 - [11] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: no time to adjust weapon ranges in light of new weapons that will all outclass LR worse than even SCR and AR do now. But time to ninja-nerf hotfix LR to be worse! hehehe so cool, this game. And you're gong to just sit there and let them screw you over? Let the voices be heard! It's about damn time we let CCP Know just how we feel of their ******* with things not broken, when there's bigger fish to fry! How long did we ask for a scout buff? Since 1.3 at least! How long were we waiting for a heavy buff? Since its nerfing to hell, and only recently did they even do anything. How long has the av to tank WAR raged on? I don't even know, BUT ITS ON THE LIST. All THAT needs fixing, not screwing over YET ANOTHER niche weapon, and devs ripping down their CCP DUST 514 banner, and replacing it with the soldier from Team Fortress 2, holding an Ar, with the motto "all hail AR514" Edit: fixed a spelling error, rage must be correctly spelled! CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 333	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:29:00 - [12] - Quote Bump for support!! Amarr don't have a sniper variant unless you consider the LR to be the Amarr sniper rifle, in which case this is a big wtf to the nerf.
dogmanpig black market bank 33	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:54:00 - [13] - Quote bumper cars! You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:29:00 - [14] - Quote Just tested it and they dropped it even FURTHER to 84m. Hey CCP heres an F and you can guess the rest.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 213	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:59:00 - [15] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: bumper cars! btw it was always out to 85m in uprising No . I play laser as one of my many professions. Others being plasma cannons, mass drivers, flaylocks, smg's, and ever since chrome- the laser. Ever since 1.3 (AT LEAST) the laser would be as follows: 0-65m damage starts at 25%, and ramps up until it maxes. 90m, this is when maximum damage is at its limit. At 90.5 meters, damage starts to drop off until 91. At said 91 meters, damage is 10% of the efficiency at maximum range- 12 to shield, 8 to armor. Damage falls off further, at ~1% every 5 meters. Until of course, maximum range is achieved, which is like 190m So don't you dare, sir, look at me shrugging your damn shoulders saying "seems alright to me" when I DOUBT YOU EVEN USE IT. Anybody who uses the laser more than the occasional "meh i wanna shoot lazors ehehe" and then die in point blank and say "bah **** it, AR ALL THE WAY!" I'm talking the people who have a fit, playstyle, and method to go with the weapon. Lasers are not fine, never were, and you need to never post in this thread again. CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
dogmanpig black market bank 33	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:14:00 - [16] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: dogmanpig wrote: bumper cars! btw it was always out to 85m in uprising No . I play laser as one of my many professions. Others being plasma cannons, mass drivers, flaylocks, smg's, and ever since chrome- the laser. Ever since 1.3 (AT LEAST) the laser would be as follows: 0-65m damage starts at 25%, and ramps up until it maxes. 90m, this is when maximum damage is at its limit. At 90.5 meters, damage starts to drop off until 91. At said 91 meters, damage is 10% of the efficiency at maximum range- 12 to shield, 8 to armor. Damage falls off further, at ~1% every 5 meters. Until of course, maximum range is achieved, which is like 190m So don't you dare, sir, look at me shrugging your damn shoulders saying "seems alright to me" when I DOUBT YOU EVEN USE IT. Anybody who uses the laser more than the occasional "meh i wanna shoot lazors ehehe" and then die in point blank and say "bah **** it, AR ALL THE WAY!" I'm talking the people who have a fit, playstyle, and method to go with the weapon. Lasers are not fine, never were, and you need to never post in this thread again. Oh and by the way, i'll toss ya a like. juuust so i can take it away again. lol.. way to serious and im not wrong, i used the LR when it uprising came out and it was always 85m but if you want to yell more go ahead, im not going to stop you. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 213	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:29:00 - [17] - Quote The. Tell me something eh? Why is it i can MELT FACE at 90meters, (and i check the tactical display practically every time i use it) And only recently, when i have started to mentally retain ranges, to the point i don't quite have to loom as much, but i still loked to double check myself, have noticed that RANGE WAS DROPPED? Ignorant people like you are what makes me angry at times, but then again, where would we be if idiots didn't exist? Yes i called you an idiot. No i don't care what your reply is next time, and i will not reply to your next answer. CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 213	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:40:00 - [18] - Quote I just realized, but the only one disagreeing with me is the one with under a hundred likes? Seems to me someone either trolls all the time, or they have failed to make true statements. Regardless, i've decided that for the rest of this month, until 1.7 is released, i'm going to run laser rifle as my light weapon. And holy hell yes am i going to glass cannon my minmatar assault or logi so that i melt even more face than i ever did before. Thanks CCP, you've made me, the most indecisive person in dust, choose his profession: melting face in a minmatar suit. CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 83	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:00:00 - [19] - Quote **** i knew they ninjanerfed the LR.! it felt somehow weaker since the update :/ and is it just me or did they changed the aiming with it? i find it has now even less aim assist then the AR (tested it since i normally dont use automatic guns besides the smg) and i could hit and aim ppl at longer ranges with the AR easier than with the LR :/
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 215	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:46:00 - [20] - Quote I'll work on testin that, i believe AA made the laser stay on track for heavies sidestepping at about 70m? Raspberry wants a hug... From my shotgun! -:Self proclaimed master of many trades:- "But....why?"

Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 203	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:29:00 - [21] - Quote I'd swear they did something to lasers (either hit detection or aim assist) in 1.5. I find it damn hard to keep the beam on anyone long enough to kill them, even the tiniest nudge makes it overshoot. AR and SR work like a charm since 1.6 though.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 463	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:26:00 - [22] - Quote While i know that CCP had their reasons, rarely are these changes typo's, I do take issue with the extreme drop off of the weapon. Of any of the weapons I feel that the effective range should be wider and its drop off less tapered than others. Game wise only the projectiles should be similar. Plasma fall off due to the grav capsules loosing cohesion, or time limit of encapsulation expires. Projectile no longer has the speed to inflict sufficient damage Laser breaks the mold with not being useful up close and instead creates a vector of continually building burn death that then peters out as the beam no longer maintains cohesion. The effective range, while a good distance from the merc, should be wide and slowly fall off. The immediate drop is unacceptable.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 217	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:43:00 - [23] - Quote In that sense, they certainly did TRY to fix it, there's a 3m area where you still do above 50% damage. However their method of obtaining this is what annoys me. What they did was drop the optimal by 5 meters. Effective is still the same. Maximum is still the same. They DID "fix" the problem of sudden dropoff. However the method with which they fixed it was to simply nerf it AGAIN. I originally believed in CCP, seeing as they hired a new EP who knew what he was doing, where instead he's screwing with everything except the holy lamb AR, and dropping TTK even more when the whole time we're complaining about it already being too low. -Newly proclaimed Lazor Riffle master- Armored core fan - life hacks -
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 221	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:09:00 - [24] - Quote Bump. -Newly proclaimed Lazor Riffle master- Armored core fan - life hacks -
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2088	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:16:00 - [25] - Quote My LR has felt much weaker recently too. I thought it was just me. I'll withold judgement for now, but this hypothesis certainly fits what I have experienced. No.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 86	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:59:00 - [26] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: My LR has felt much weaker recently too. I thought it was just me. I'll withold judgement for now, but this hypothesis certainly fits what I have experienced. of course it is! you know it was better at it's optimal than the AR! BLASPHEMY! A gun should never beat the holy AR even when it's like 10 times harder to use ..never ever! i mean the AR even beats the SG in CQC, which is completly fine since ccp knows what they're doing and arent a bunch of clueless chickens whit their heads cut off -_-
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 855	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:31:00 - [27] - Quote 85 has been the optimal for lr's for as long as I've used them. they've always stopped doing damage at 90. not sure what this thread is really about.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 228	Posted - 2013.11.12 17:29:00 - [28] - Quote I'm not going to call you stupid, nor am i going to flame. But i pay SERIOUS attention to numbers. How else would i pull out 85 meters, let alone the 90.5 old optimal? I'm talking uprising 1.3-1.5, after the rrmoval of sharpshooter, and even before the introduction of effective and maximum range. I remember using the laser before the effective range was introduced, the laser still killed out to 90m. And the half meter after that, it would disappear. So please, can you tell me just how much you used the laser, let alone pay attention to the tactical didplay? -Newly proclaimed Lazor Riffle master- Armored core fan - life hacks -
Green Living 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 972	Posted - 2013.11.12 17:46:00 - [29] - Quote Not real surprising. For those of us who have been using the LR since their introduction it has been a roller coaster ride.
crazy space 1 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 1984	Posted - 2013.11.12 18:25:00 - [30] - Quote I will test this farther tonight, but indeed they toyed with the laser, and didn't even bother to tell us. Didn't you notice they never tell us anything Seriously there are tons of changes every patch that even the devs are like "oh that's strange, when did this change?"



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