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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:25:00 -
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A lot of people are complaining about how logis are supposedly better than assaults, so I thought I would share my experience to the contrary.
I specialized into Amarr logi level 5, but started specializing into Amarr assault because of the laser bonus (I use scrambler rifles). I just unlocked the advanced assault one yesterday. Given the choice between similar combat-oriented fittings, I would choose to use to the assault. The speed and stamina is a major advantage, I no longer have to worry about being so slow or constantly running out stamina while trying to run to somewhere. The logi has 1 more low slot than the assault allowing it to get potentially higher HP, but the assault has 60 more base shields that's almost like having a free built-in complex shield extender.
When assaulting, I prefer Amarr assault to Amarr logi.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:29:00 -
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Also, that heat bonus.
Surely you like it too?
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:30:00 -
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Its the higher CPU and PG as well for Logi and the Gallente Logi is the one people say is the op one |
Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:34:00 -
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Also when the rail rifle and combat rifle come out i think all assault should get the bonus for their weapon technology |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:37:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Also when the rail rifle and combat rifle come out i think all assault should get the bonus for their weapon technology
I totally agree with this
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:37:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A lot of people are complaining about how logis are supposedly better than assaults, so I thought I would share my experience to the contrary.
I specialized into Amarr logi level 5, but started specializing into Amarr assault because of the laser bonus (I use scrambler rifles). I just unlocked the advanced assault one yesterday. Given the choice between similar combat-oriented fittings, I would choose to use to the assault. The speed and stamina is a major advantage, I no longer have to worry about being so slow or constantly running out stamina while trying to run to somewhere. The logi has 1 more low slot than the assault allowing it to get potentially higher HP, but the assault has 60 more base shields that's almost like having a free built-in complex shield extender.
When assaulting, I prefer Amarr assault to Amarr logi.
The Amarr Assault is THE ONLY ASSAULT SUIT that has something LOGIS CANT DO, there by , useful.
U use laser weapons u go Amarr Asssault for MAXIMUM efficiency, PERIOD. This is NOT tthe assault being better,nor EQUAL to the Logi version,because its not....Logi amarr is STILL better than the Assault with 1 more lo slot, 2 more Equip slots, more CPU/PG in exchange for 50 stamina and some speed... >..>
Does not apply to Cal assaul,Min assault and Gal assault.
Dont play smart with us , Logis are still broken...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:38:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Also when the rail rifle and combat rifle come out i think all assault should get the bonus for their weapon technology I totally agree with this
If they do that they need to give out a respect so people that want to keep using the AR can spec in gallante |
Eldest Dragon
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:27:00 -
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I wanna tell you what you are, but im just gonna keep my mouth shut, kings's post says about what id like to say so im not gonna waste my time to type anymore words in this post. 
When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3 works every time.
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:31:00 -
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So basically you're saying that your preferred method of playing is killing with an SCR and that obviously the Amarr Assault is key to that weapon...
...duh?
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:34:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Its the higher CPU and PG as well for Logi and the Gallente Logi is the one people say is the op one
Once the combat and rail rifle come out, the problem with the GaLogi might "fix itself." It's pretty much a repeat of the CaLogi situation except it's armor > shields and the GaLogi doesn't have insanely high CPU/PG.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:35:00 -
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8213 wrote:So basically you're saying that your preferred method of playing is killing with an SCR and that obviously the Amarr Assault is key to that weapon...
...duh?
Actually for he most part I just use the assault variant of the SCR, so the heat buildup isn't an issue most of the time.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:43:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A lot of people are complaining about how logis are supposedly better than assaults, so I thought I would share my experience to the contrary.
I specialized into Amarr logi level 5, but started specializing into Amarr assault because of the laser bonus (I use scrambler rifles). I just unlocked the advanced assault one yesterday. Given the choice between similar combat-oriented fittings, I would choose to use to the assault. The speed and stamina is a major advantage, I no longer have to worry about being so slow or constantly running out stamina while trying to run to somewhere. The logi has 1 more low slot than the assault allowing it to get potentially higher HP, but the assault has 60 more base shields that's almost like having a free built-in complex shield extender.
When assaulting, I prefer Amarr assault to Amarr logi. The Amarr Assault is THE ONLY ASSAULT SUIT that has something LOGIS CANT DO, there by , useful. U use laser weapons u go Amarr Asssault for MAXIMUM efficiency, PERIOD. This is NOT tthe assault being better,nor EQUAL to the Logi version,because its not....Logi amarr is STILL better than the Assault with 1 more low slot, 2 more Equip slots, more CPU/PG in exchange for 50 stamina,3shield regen per sec and some speed... >..> Does not apply to Cal assaul,Min assault and Gal assault.LEts see how many people say:''yeah i have Gallente Logi proto,but since im assaulting and using a HYBRID WEAPON im going Gallente assault.'' PLEASE.Your specific case doesnt not apply , Logis are still broken...
I also would like to point out I'm not saying this applies to all logis, so anyone taking it that way needs to improve their reading comprehension.
I do think the base stats of logis are fine however, trading mobility, base shields, and sidearm for slots; PG/CPU is just a necessity for fitting those slots. When assaulting I want to be agile and mobile, and when supporting I want lots of equipment. The issue is that most assaults don't get bonuses to their weapons (which I believe they should), and most logis don't get bonuses to equipment (which I believe they should). The Gallente assault s especially screwed by the shield recharge assault bonus. I would like to restructure bonuses for suits in general to emphasize role.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7618
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:53:00 -
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I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
499
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:55:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Actually for he most part I just use the assault variant of the SCR, so the heat buildup isn't an issue most of the time.
...which I still consider a bit suspect.
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:00:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different.
Yeah
4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus.
Sure.....
Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different...
Cosgar , c'man man...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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Dengru
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:14:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different.
Those extra bullets were superfluous before but are entirely unneeded with improved hit detection. Swarms are op without all those damage mods... The Min logi is so superior I am sad I waited so long to get it. The extra buffer of armor the slot layout, higher regen and hacking are better.
The elements that made the Min Assault shine like the strafing speed are nolonger as big of a factors. All the min assault has over its is the higher pool of stamina, which is surpassed with one complex reg. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
7619
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:16:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different. Yeah 4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus. Sure..... Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different... Cosgar , c'man man...
Logi can't get 100 rounds on an Ishukone SMG.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:42:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different. Yeah 4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus. Sure..... Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different... Cosgar , c'man man... Logi can't get 100 rounds on an Ishukone SMG.
Thats the ONLY reason you have. Still does not make the suit equal to the logi.
Any other reason you can think of, the logi has the slots and CPU-PG to out-do the assault...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7623
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different. Yeah 4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus. Sure..... Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different... Cosgar , c'man man... Logi can't get 100 rounds on an Ishukone SMG. Thats the ONLY reason you have. Still does not make the suit equal to the logi.Any other reason you can think of, the logi has the slots and CPU-PG to out-do the assault...
You need to stop staring at spread sheets. Both suits are viable in an FPS. No more, no less. God forbid anything but an assault being able to get kills.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1491
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:18:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A lot of people are complaining about how logis are supposedly better than assaults, so I thought I would share my experience to the contrary.
I specialized into Amarr logi level 5, but started specializing into Amarr assault because of the laser bonus (I use scrambler rifles). I just unlocked the advanced assault one yesterday. Given the choice between similar combat-oriented fittings, I would choose to use to the assault. The speed and stamina is a major advantage, I no longer have to worry about being so slow or constantly running out stamina while trying to run to somewhere. The logi has 1 more low slot than the assault allowing it to get potentially higher HP, but the assault has 60 more base shields that's almost like having a free built-in complex shield extender.
When assaulting, I prefer Amarr assault to Amarr logi. The Amarr Assault is THE ONLY ASSAULT SUIT that has something LOGIS CANT DO, there by , useful. U use laser weapons u go Amarr Asssault for MAXIMUM efficiency, PERIOD. This is NOT tthe assault being better,nor EQUAL to the Logi version,because its not....Logi amarr is STILL better than the Assault with 1 more low slot, 2 more Equip slots, more CPU/PG in exchange for 50 stamina,3shield regen per sec and some speed... >..> Does not apply to Cal assaul,Min assault and Gal assault.LEts see how many people say:''yeah i have Gallente Logi proto,but since im assaulting and using a HYBRID WEAPON im going Gallente assault.'' PLEASE.Your specific case doesnt not apply , Logis are still broken...
I have to say, Check got a a point.
The Amarr suits are the closet to balanced among the med frames
Every other suit has the logi leading (If fitted tank style) by 2-300 HP with a moderate lose in speed, and a sidearm.
The speed gap is useless considering we can spawn our own buggy that goes 60 miles an hour wherever we want.
Ad the sidearm is useless if you are moderately sane and reload between firefights.
So yeah, logis are OP
Mirror hi and low slots between the assault and the logi, and quiet I will be.
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:20:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different. Yeah 4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus. Sure..... Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different... Cosgar , c'man man... Logi can't get 100 rounds on an Ishukone SMG. Thats the ONLY reason you have. Still does not make the suit equal to the logi.Any other reason you can think of, the logi has the slots and CPU-PG to out-do the assault... You need to stop staring at spread sheets. Both suits are viable in an FPS. No more, no less. God forbid anything but an assault being able to get kills.
The logi is basically a stock heavy that moves at a rate marginally slower then an assault.
Balanced?
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You need to stop staring at spread sheets. Both suits are viable in an FPS. No more, no less. God forbid anything but an assault being able to get kills.
Broski, im not staring at spread sheets.Im not saying both suits are NOT VIABLE in an FPS.Please quote me on that. Im saying the LOGI OUTPREFORMS the assault,there by there is no reson to actually SKILL into MIN assault except, a sidearm.LOL.
I've stated this before:
BECAUSE of my constant fear into going for a PROTO SUIT and then getting nerfed i still only have my Proto basic minmatar light frame and EVERYTHING else at level 3. I have a LOT of experience creating loadouts.
With the spare change of AUR i've got previously for buying boosters,i've tested some proto combinations extensively.
Now lets compare (i am NOT at my Ps3 so this is all coming out of my head,please correct me if i have something WRONG):
GÖª 5 Armor rep per sec is better than more shield regen per sec. since it depends on the player's taste and the Minmatar suit are not defined armor NOR shield tankers , i'll leave it as a tie.
GÖª +5% per level Sidearm clip is sadly, NOT as good as HAcking speed per level. The 5%+ Sidearm clip basically ONLY truly helps SMGS and Burst SC Pistols. A bonus that benefits 2 weapons is not comparable to a bonus you will always have with you and will probably save you from a LOT of deaths.
GÖª 150Shields (AS) 90 Shields (LOG) .Assault wins
GÖª 135Armor (AS) 150 Armor (LOG) Logi wins
GÖª Total HP: Assault wins
GÖª Stamina, 120 (LOG) vs 175 (AS) . Assault wins
GÖª Top speed: 7.4 vs 7, Assault wins
Now it seems we have something going on here for the assault,right?
well, no.
we are missing:
GÖª 5 H 2 L slots vs 4H 4 L. Logi wins by 1 slto and by FAR for better distribution
GÖª CPU : 320 vs 390 . Logi wins
GÖª PG : 64 vs 78.Logi wins,and in teh case of proto suit,by FAR.
GÖª Equipment slots: Logi wins by 3.
GÖª Sidearm:Assault wins
GÖª Shield recharge delay: Logi win
GÖª Shield recharge rate: 12 vs 20? LOGI WINS
We ALL know slots = power. But when you have more fitting slots PLUS more PG-CPU you get suits that can be and ARE everything. The Min Logi can be a stealth scouts, a tanked assault,a sneaky hacker, a powerful support unit etc...
The assault suit, can be a mediocre assault.
so overall we have
Bonus: Logi 2 , Assault 1 point
Shields:Logi 0 , Assault 1
Armor:Logi 1, Assault 0
Total HP: Logi 0,assault 1
Stamina:Logi 0 , assault 1
Top speed::Logi 0,ASsault1
H & L Slots:Logi 1,ASsault 0
CPU:Logi 1,ASsault 0
PG :Logi 1, assault 0
Equipment slots: Logi 1 ,assault 0
Sidearm:Logi 0,assault 1
Shield recharge delay: Logi 1 , assault 0
Shield recharge rate: Logi 1, assault 0
9 points for logi vs 6 for assault.
their hitboxes are the same etc..Plus overall,considering the market, MIN logis are MORE used than assault logis for OBVIOUS reasons you my friend try to deny.
Im not saying the ASsault suit is BAD, im saying the Logi suit is better assault.....
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1493
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:52:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Cat, I see where your numbers are coming from, but here's a more accurate depiction of a fit for Assaulting (i.e. KILL ZEM ALLZ) Cal Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFRtOEswWGNWcl9ydWFQdHM1SklHUlE&usp=sharingCal Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHZWTGNoZTkyTXhMb3BTMm1IdVJvX2c&usp=sharingGal Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhvcjJaUDV1Vy1pT1E3UHIxNDJhZGc&usp=sharingGal Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDh1STNtRTd1R1pvMlRUbzJsRUFMeHc&usp=sharingMin Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdHctYlcyZk9CbWVwcWUxRGZKMmpRTFE&usp=sharingMin Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdFp1QjA5NFJtdW05ZU11Umh0c0E1b0E&usp=sharingAmarr Salt- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdDhFLXlPT3JYY0hoNkt1SEVmazJ5cGc&usp=sharingAmarr Logi- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkNsTEpFxMxPdEZqV3MxSUprWWZrNDhaZFFTTGItQmc&usp=sharingAs you can see, for the majority of all the Combat fits (I went full tank here to showcase who the Logi abusers have been abusing the extra slots. Only the Amarr suits have equipment, and that's only a standard needle) of both suits, Logistics provide much more HP for lose of a Sidearm, and speed. The Amarr Logi loses .24 meters per second. Every 4 seconds its assault counterpart is one meter in front of it. The Caldari Logi loses .42 meters per second. Every 2 seconds its assault counterpart move one meter in front. The Minmatar Logi loses .8 meters per second. Roughly every second its assault counterparts move one meter ahead. The Gallente Logi loses .37 meters per second. Roughly every three seconds, its assault counterpart grows one meter ahead. However, they have an boost of HP. Caldari Logi gains 318 HP over its assault variant Gallente Logi gains 245 HP over its assault variant Minmatar logi gains 380 over its assault variant. Amarr logi gains 167 over its assault fit, while retaining the sidearm and Equipment slots While this may seem like a fair trade, considering that we can spawn 27K LAVs wherever the hell we want, the speed factor is made null. This tactic was, and still is by the select few, used by heavies to make up for their snail pace. So, for all intents and purposes, the Logistic Suits gain 300 HP over its assault brothers, while losing speed that is used to cross the difference between the LAV parking spot and the Objective. Balanced you say?
I'll leave this here.
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:06:00 -
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@KING CHECKMATE and Meeko Fent
I've said my peace about logis v assaults for 6 months. CCP already corrected the problem with CaLogi which overpowered every suit in the game short of heavies (Wish they changed it to 5H/3L/4E at proto, but whatever) and gave the Amarr a needed buff. There's been nothing about logis since then outside of them working on the bonus tagging system to eliminate useless blanket bonuses. I could argue over this for hours, but why bother? You're set in your own (borderline partial) opinions, so there's no point in trying to change your minds. This is just going to be another dead logi topic in the next couple of days and the cycle starts over again without a blue tag. Only difference is I'll have a Mk.0 Logi and assault for different situations. In fact, I'll probably be using the assault more until CCP sorts out the CoD level TTK since it's much cheaper to fit. And you know what? I won't lose any sleep because I'm confident that CCP isn't going to give into knee-jerk reactions and forum QQing. Good luck on your endeavors because you're going to need a better case.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:08:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:@KING CHECKMATE and Meeko Fent
I've said my peace about logis v assaults for 6 months. CCP already corrected the problem with CaLogi which overpowered every suit in the game short of heavies (Wish they changed it to 5H/3L/4E at proto, but whatever) and gave the Amarr a needed buff. There's been nothing about logis since then outside of them working on the bonus tagging system to eliminate useless blanket bonuses. I could argue over this for hours, but why bother? You're set in your own (borderline partial) opinions, so there's no point in trying to change your minds. This is just going to be another dead logi topic in the next couple of days and the cycle starts over again without a blue tag. Only difference is I'll have a Mk.0 Logi and assault for different situations. In fact, I'll probably be using the assault more until CCP sorts out the CoD level TTK since it's much cheaper to fit. And you know what? I won't lose any sleep because I'm confident that CCP isn't going to give into knee-jerk reactions and forum QQing. Good luck on your endeavors because you're going to need a better case.
1-Fair enough
2-GL with what? Im rocking an Amarr Logi and will get Proto this week. LOL.
Fix or no fix, i win.
Extra note: BTW: the cal LOGI needs that 4th LOW slot to put in a CPU enhancer. Just saying.
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:@KING CHECKMATE and Meeko Fent
I've said my peace about logis v assaults for 6 months. CCP already corrected the problem with CaLogi which overpowered every suit in the game short of heavies (Wish they changed it to 5H/3L/4E at proto, but whatever) and gave the Amarr a needed buff. There's been nothing about logis since then outside of them working on the bonus tagging system to eliminate useless blanket bonuses. I could argue over this for hours, but why bother? You're set in your own (borderline partial) opinions, so there's no point in trying to change your minds. This is just going to be another dead logi topic in the next couple of days and the cycle starts over again without a blue tag. Only difference is I'll have a Mk.0 Logi and assault for different situations. In fact, I'll probably be using the assault more until CCP sorts out the CoD level TTK since it's much cheaper to fit. And you know what? I won't lose any sleep because I'm confident that CCP isn't going to give into knee-jerk reactions and forum QQing. Good luck on your endeavors because you're going to need a better case. 1-Fair enough
2-GL with what? Im rocking an Amarr Logi and will get Proto this week. LOL.
Fix or no fix, i win.Extra note: BTW: the cal LOGI needs that 4th LOW slot to put in a CPU enhancer. Just saying.
I meant instead of nerfing their CPU so hard. They should've just been a mirror of the GaLogi.
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the Caldari and Amarr logis are combat centered support and I don't see anything wrong with that. this isn't eve. there is nothing to repair or rearm that can't respawn or be called in or ten seconds or less. 100% support and nothing else? you would have to be a fool to spec into logi...
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DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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It isn't that the LOGI is superior as an assault, when fitted out the same they basically end up the same which is kinda the problem, why go assault when the logi can assault or logi? But assaults do AV better, meh just use the basic medium frame and save yourself the SP. The assaults lack any real incentive to use them bar the ammar which is more useful with 2 weapons. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:36:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:It isn't that the LOGI is superior as an assault, when fitted out the same they basically end up the same which is kinda the problem, why go assault when the logi can assault or logi? But assaults do AV better, meh just use the basic medium frame and save yourself the SP. The assaults lack any real incentive to use them bar the ammar which is more useful with 2 weapons.
^This is one of the core problems. Aside from saving ISK and the off chance that you're going to take advantage of racial bonuses, the assaults are just redundant compared to what you get for a logi suit. Not really the logistics' fault, just bad design compared to an earlier build like Chromosome, where different suits had better stats and/or variants. Assaults should have higher base stats than even medium suits for starters, increase base shield recharge rate by 25%, even with the current blanket bonus, (until they can fix the tagging system) or just change it to "CPU/PG fitting reduction on all weapons and weapon mods." I really have a felling that if we didn't have basic suits, and the CaLogi was more balanced out the gate, we wouldn't be having these debates.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:41:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:It isn't that the LOGI is superior as an assault, when fitted out the same they basically end up the same which is kinda the problem, why go assault when the logi can assault or logi? But assaults do AV better, meh just use the basic medium frame and save yourself the SP. The assaults lack any real incentive to use them bar the ammar which is more useful with 2 weapons.
My Logi AMARR is pretty damn good at AV.
while talking as ASSAULT role options=
GÖªADV level AMARR LOGIS is the best suit out there. NO OTHER ADV suit will give you 6 L & H slots, 3 Equipment slots ,L weapon,S Weapon and grenade for such a low price.
GÖªAt Proto ;Cal and Gal logi.
Period...wel im out to play, see u dusties out there...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:48:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:the Caldari and Amarr logis are combat centered support and I don't see anything wrong with that. this isn't eve. there is nothing to repair or rearm that can't respawn or be called in or ten seconds or less. 100% support and nothing else? you would have to be a fool to spec into logi...
Yes, but when the suit has 300 more HPthen the one getting shot at... You see the issue.
Logis should be formidable foes, but they need to leave that one thing to be desired.
Like the Sidearm.
They have that one thing to be desired, but at the same time negate that loss with a huge HP bonus.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:@KING CHECKMATE and Meeko Fent
I've said my peace about logis v assaults for 6 months. CCP already corrected the problem with CaLogi which overpowered every suit in the game short of heavies (Wish they changed it to 5H/3L/4E at proto, but whatever) and gave the Amarr a needed buff. There's been nothing about logis since then outside of them working on the bonus tagging system to eliminate useless blanket bonuses. I could argue over this for hours, but why bother? You're set in your own (borderline partial) opinions, so there's no point in trying to change your minds. This is just going to be another dead logi topic in the next couple of days and the cycle starts over again without a blue tag. Only difference is I'll have a Mk.0 Logi and assault for different situations. In fact, I'll probably be using the assault more until CCP sorts out the CoD level TTK since it's much cheaper to fit. And you know what? I won't lose any sleep because I'm confident that CCP isn't going to give into knee-jerk reactions and forum QQing. Good luck on your endeavors because you're going to need a better case. 1-Fair enough
2-GL with what? Im rocking an Amarr Logi and will get Proto this week. LOL.
Fix or no fix, i win.Extra note: BTW: the cal LOGI needs that 4th LOW slot to put in a CPU enhancer. Just saying.
Was one hundred percent sure with the post he actually lost.
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DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:DildoMcnutz wrote:It isn't that the LOGI is superior as an assault, when fitted out the same they basically end up the same which is kinda the problem, why go assault when the logi can assault or logi? But assaults do AV better, meh just use the basic medium frame and save yourself the SP. The assaults lack any real incentive to use them bar the ammar which is more useful with 2 weapons. My Logi AMARR is pretty damn good at AV. while talking as ASSAULT role options= GÖªADV level AMARR LOGIS is the best suit out there. NO OTHER ADV suit will give you 6 L & H slots, 3 Equipment slots ,L weapon,S Weapon and grenade for such a low price.
GÖªAt Proto ;Cal and Gal logi.
Period...wel im out to play, see u dusties out there...
Whilst it is good at AV it is only 1 of 4 logistics suits that can do so and i still feel its a little too slow for an AV fit, i really do like speed on my Swarm Launcher fits.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:28:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:@KING CHECKMATE and Meeko Fent
I've said my peace about logis v assaults for 6 months. CCP already corrected the problem with CaLogi which overpowered every suit in the game short of heavies (Wish they changed it to 5H/3L/4E at proto, but whatever) and gave the Amarr a needed buff. There's been nothing about logis since then outside of them working on the bonus tagging system to eliminate useless blanket bonuses. I could argue over this for hours, but why bother? You're set in your own (borderline partial) opinions, so there's no point in trying to change your minds. This is just going to be another dead logi topic in the next couple of days and the cycle starts over again without a blue tag. Only difference is I'll have a Mk.0 Logi and assault for different situations. In fact, I'll probably be using the assault more until CCP sorts out the CoD level TTK since it's much cheaper to fit. And you know what? I won't lose any sleep because I'm confident that CCP isn't going to give into knee-jerk reactions and forum QQing. Good luck on your endeavors because you're going to need a better case. 1-Fair enough
2-GL with what? Im rocking an Amarr Logi and will get Proto this week. LOL.
Fix or no fix, i win.Extra note: BTW: the cal LOGI needs that 4th LOW slot to put in a CPU enhancer. Just saying. Was one hundred percent sure with the post he actually lost.
Actually, I was watching the lolCowboys game and posting between commercial breaks.
Romo tears > Dust 514 tears
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