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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:37:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:A lot of people are complaining about how logis are supposedly better than assaults, so I thought I would share my experience to the contrary. I specialized into Amarr logi level 5, but started specializing into Amarr assault because of the laser bonus (I use scrambler rifles). I just unlocked the advanced assault one yesterday. Given the choice between similar combat-oriented fittings, I would choose to use to the assault. The speed and stamina is a major advantage, I no longer have to worry about being so slow or constantly running out stamina while trying to run to somewhere. The logi has 1 more low slot than the assault allowing it to get potentially higher HP, but the assault has 60 more base shields that's almost like having a free built-in complex shield extender.
When assaulting, I prefer Amarr assault to Amarr logi.
The Amarr Assault is THE ONLY ASSAULT SUIT that has something LOGIS CANT DO, there by , useful. U use laser weapons u go Amarr Asssault for MAXIMUM efficiency, PERIOD. This is NOT tthe assault being better,nor EQUAL to the Logi version,because its not....Logi amarr is STILL better than the Assault with 1 more lo slot, 2 more Equip slots, more CPU/PG in exchange for 50 stamina and some speed... >..>
Does not apply to Cal assaul,Min assault and Gal assault.
Dont play smart with us , Logis are still broken...
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:00:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different.
Yeah 4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus.
Sure.....
Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different...
Cosgar , c'man man...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:42:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:I went into ScR pistols and SMGs in preparation of a logi-wide sidearm restriction that (thankfully) never came. Been dumping SP into Minmatar assault on my main and should have my Mk.0 before Thanksgiving. Tried it on a 15m SP alt, and it's way different than my logi and better in certain areas. Extra sidearm clip size opens some more options like starting ambushes with swarm launchers and battle sniping in skirmish. Still love my logi, but it's not better than an assault, just different. Yeah 4 lows + 4 high, Hacking speed, Armor regen, 4 Equipment slots, more CPU and PG are NOT better than +0.04 speed ,, 5 high slots (at the cost of only 2 Lows) and some sidearm bonus. Sure..... Logis is NOT better than the assault,just different... Cosgar , c'man man... Logi can't get 100 rounds on an Ishukone SMG.
Thats the ONLY reason you have. Still does not make the suit equal to the logi.
Any other reason you can think of, the logi has the slots and CPU-PG to out-do the assault...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You need to stop staring at spread sheets. Both suits are viable in an FPS. No more, no less. God forbid anything but an assault being able to get kills.
Broski, im not staring at spread sheets.Im not saying both suits are NOT VIABLE in an FPS.Please quote me on that. Im saying the LOGI OUTPREFORMS the assault,there by there is no reson to actually SKILL into MIN assault except, a sidearm.LOL.
I've stated this before: BECAUSE of my constant fear into going for a PROTO SUIT and then getting nerfed i still only have my Proto basic minmatar light frame and EVERYTHING else at level 3. I have a LOT of experience creating loadouts.
With the spare change of AUR i've got previously for buying boosters,i've tested some proto combinations extensively. Now lets compare (i am NOT at my Ps3 so this is all coming out of my head,please correct me if i have something WRONG):
GÖª 5 Armor rep per sec is better than more shield regen per sec. since it depends on the player's taste and the Minmatar suit are not defined armor NOR shield tankers , i'll leave it as a tie. GÖª +5% per level Sidearm clip is sadly, NOT as good as HAcking speed per level. The 5%+ Sidearm clip basically ONLY truly helps SMGS and Burst SC Pistols. A bonus that benefits 2 weapons is not comparable to a bonus you will always have with you and will probably save you from a LOT of deaths. GÖª 150Shields (AS) 90 Shields (LOG) .Assault wins GÖª 135Armor (AS) 150 Armor (LOG) Logi wins GÖª Total HP: Assault wins GÖª Stamina, 120 (LOG) vs 175 (AS) . Assault wins GÖª Top speed: 7.4 vs 7, Assault wins
Now it seems we have something going on here for the assault,right? well, no. we are missing: GÖª 5 H 2 L slots vs 4H 4 L. Logi wins by 1 slto and by FAR for better distribution GÖª CPU : 320 vs 390 . Logi wins GÖª PG : 64 vs 78.Logi wins,and in teh case of proto suit,by FAR. GÖª Equipment slots: Logi wins by 3. GÖª Sidearm:Assault wins GÖª Shield recharge delay: Logi win GÖª Shield recharge rate: 12 vs 20? LOGI WINS
We ALL know slots = power. But when you have more fitting slots PLUS more PG-CPU you get suits that can be and ARE everything. The Min Logi can be a stealth scouts, a tanked assault,a sneaky hacker, a powerful support unit etc... The assault suit, can be a mediocre assault.
so overall we have
Bonus: Logi 2 , Assault 1 point Shields:Logi 0 , Assault 1 Armor:Logi 1, Assault 0 Total HP: Logi 0,assault 1 Stamina:Logi 0 , assault 1 Top speed::Logi 0,ASsault1 H & L Slots:Logi 1,ASsault 0 CPU:Logi 1,ASsault 0 PG :Logi 1, assault 0 Equipment slots: Logi 1 ,assault 0 Sidearm:Logi 0,assault 1 Shield recharge delay: Logi 1 , assault 0 Shield recharge rate: Logi 1, assault 0
9 points for logi vs 6 for assault.
their hitboxes are the same etc..Plus overall,considering the market, MIN logis are MORE used than assault logis for OBVIOUS reasons you my friend try to deny. Im not saying the ASsault suit is BAD, im saying the Logi suit is better assault.....
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:08:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:@KING CHECKMATE and Meeko Fent I've said my peace about logis v assaults for 6 months. CCP already corrected the problem with CaLogi which overpowered every suit in the game short of heavies (Wish they changed it to 5H/3L/4E at proto, but whatever) and gave the Amarr a needed buff. There's been nothing about logis since then outside of them working on the bonus tagging system to eliminate useless blanket bonuses. I could argue over this for hours, but why bother? You're set in your own (borderline partial) opinions, so there's no point in trying to change your minds. This is just going to be another dead logi topic in the next couple of days and the cycle starts over again without a blue tag. Only difference is I'll have a Mk.0 Logi and assault for different situations. In fact, I'll probably be using the assault more until CCP sorts out the CoD level TTK since it's much cheaper to fit. And you know what? I won't lose any sleep because I'm confident that CCP isn't going to give into knee-jerk reactions and forum QQing. Good luck on your endeavors because you're going to need a better case.
1-Fair enough 2-GL with what? Im rocking an Amarr Logi and will get Proto this week. LOL.
Fix or no fix, i win.
Extra note: BTW: the cal LOGI needs that 4th LOW slot to put in a CPU enhancer. Just saying.
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:41:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:It isn't that the LOGI is superior as an assault, when fitted out the same they basically end up the same which is kinda the problem, why go assault when the logi can assault or logi? But assaults do AV better, meh just use the basic medium frame and save yourself the SP. The assaults lack any real incentive to use them bar the ammar which is more useful with 2 weapons.
My Logi AMARR is pretty damn good at AV.
while talking as ASSAULT role options= GÖªADV level AMARR LOGIS is the best suit out there. NO OTHER ADV suit will give you 6 L & H slots, 3 Equipment slots ,L weapon,S Weapon and grenade for such a low price. GÖªAt Proto ;Cal and Gal logi.
Period...wel im out to play, see u dusties out there...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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