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8213
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:18:00 -
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Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do...
Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place.
Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPK
Just a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture.
i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..."
Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse?
Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it.
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 09:59:00 -
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I really expected to hear a "you're just bad, kid" to this one... |
Zatara Rought
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:01:00 -
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Perhaps people realize attempting to converse with you is worse than watching p0rn for the storyline.
That's Masternader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:05:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Perhaps people realize attempting to converse with you is worse than watching p0rn for the storyline.
story line*
English spelling never goes out of style. |
NOT JL
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:10:00 -
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"you're just bad, kid"
also did you test this before you quit or after?
Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln
Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:10:00 -
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8213 wrote: story line*
English spelling never goes out of style.
*storyline
It was correct the first time.
If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:13:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:8213 wrote: story line*
English spelling never goes out of style.
*storyline It was correct the first time.
Did you Google that one too? Storyline is not a word, just like alot isn't a word either; two seperate words. But, I don't feel like being a Grammar ****. If you have something to contribute about the topics of my threads (any of them) feel free.
What are your thoughts about CCP or the HMG? |
8213
Grade No.2
594
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:28:00 -
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NOT JL wrote:"you're just bad, kid"
also did you test this before you quit or after?
I quit at the start of 1.5. I didn't use the HMG during that short time. Except once, when I was playing against DJNN Maurder, and his Scout walk right through my HMG and he killed me with a Shotgun. Even he admitted though, that it was lag, because that is supposed to be impossible. I know in 1.4 with the aim assist, it was a nightmare. And all before 1.3 I was an HMG regular.
The whole reason I put the game back on(which quite a few people do at every patch, then uninstall again) was because Shotty Go Bang said the shotguns were fixed; technically he was wrong. They aren't "fixed" they are just broken in the favor of the user now. You get kills when you completely miss an opponent, and still get blanks when your shot is on.
I've been using Shotguns like crazy since 1.6, trying to find some enjoyment out of them (I am finding a little, but only when the lag and bullsh*t is working in my favor, so its not very fair). But, I've been forced to use an AR in this game if I want any form of success. Even my SCR is not match for the Gallante Brick w/ Duvolle. So, I tried out the HMG. Before 1.4, my KDR with the HMG was around 20. So, I decided to try it out and see for myself what the forums were talking about.
Needless to say. Its beyond saving. I knew it was bad, because a HMG hasn't killed me yet since I've been playing 1.6, that was my first tell tale sign. The safest place to stand from an HMG seems to be right in front of it. After 10 games of using the HMG, I just quit using it. It was actually making me upset, like feeling down upset. The highlight of the night was (what my link displays) is when an Duvolle was able to shoot me dead(and I started shooting first) from 6m away. That is mathematically impossible. My screen was lit up with hitmarkers, but he still gunned me down from 6 f*cking meters away...
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
860
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:03:00 -
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8213 wrote:NOT JL wrote:"you're just bad, kid"
also did you test this before you quit or after? I quit at the start of 1.5. I didn't use the HMG during that short time. Except once, when I was playing against DJNN Maurder, and his Scout walk right through my HMG and he killed me with a Shotgun. Even he admitted though, that it was lag, because that is supposed to be impossible. I know in 1.4 with the aim assist, it was a nightmare. And all before 1.3 I was an HMG regular. The whole reason I put the game back on(which quite a few people do at every patch, then uninstall again) was because Shotty Go Bang said the shotguns were fixed; technically he was wrong. They aren't "fixed" they are just broken in the favor of the user now. You get kills when you completely miss an opponent, and still get blanks when your shot is on. I've been using Shotguns like crazy since 1.6, trying to find some enjoyment out of them (I am finding a little, but only when the lag and bullsh*t is working in my favor, so its not very fair). But, I've been forced to use an AR in this game if I want any form of success. Even my SCR is not match for the Gallante Brick w/ Duvolle. So, I tried out the HMG. Before 1.4, my KDR with the HMG was around 20. So, I decided to try it out and see for myself what the forums were talking about. Needless to say. Its beyond saving. I knew it was bad, because a HMG hasn't killed me yet since I've been playing 1.6, that was my first tell tale sign. The safest place to stand from an HMG seems to be right in front of it. After 10 games of using the HMG, I just quit using it. It was actually making me upset, like feeling down upset. The highlight of the night was (what my link displays) is when an Duvolle was able to shoot me dead(and I started shooting first) from 6m away. That is mathematically impossible. My screen was lit up with hitmarkers, but he still gunned me down from 6 f*cking meters away...
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Zatara Rought
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:08:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:
Must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post..../Rocks back and forth
Don't do it, bro. Leave the bad poster alone!!!
That's Masternader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:12:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:
Must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post..../Rocks back and forth
Don't do it, bro. Leave the bad poster alone!!!
I'll ask again, do you have a problem with me? If so, do you want to work it out, or just continue to squabble on the internet like a child? |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
855
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:17:00 -
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8213 wrote:Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do...
Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. -- snip -- What, you never heard of the lowest bidder?
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KIRSTY j
The Walking Targets
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:08:00 -
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the hmg really does need more power. sad that light weapons out match it, even at close range. |
Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:09:00 -
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Whether we like the OP or not, he isn't exactly wrong here... |
Zatara Rought
Imperfects
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:26:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Whether we like the OP or not, he isn't exactly wrong here...
Getting killed by a duvolle from 6m away?
Supposed to convince me (rather poorly) of an argument that we all recognize the validity of?
It just reminds me of that other bad poster....Buster Friendly, that's the guy!
Trying to make a point, and doing it in a very flawed way. Sure you may be right, but with weak evidence like this used to support it (or perhaps I'm completely missing the forest for the trees and you can help me out) it's just a lol thread. Show me a video of an hmg getting the jump on an ar and him turning around and outdpsing the hmg and then open up your fit after the death and show me a double damage modded proto basic heavy...and that's an efficacious argument.
Not that we needed captain obvious to tell us what we all know already.
That's Masternader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:07:00 -
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From 6m away the Duvolle AA is just as strong as it is 50m away
He can strafe back and forth and not miss
The heavy with the HMG on the otherhand actually has to aim with the HMG, AA doesnt work on the HMG thus he has to aim and keep up with the Assault
Now if the assault was hitting him straight from the front the heavy should win but if the assault jumps about like a bunny on crack the heavy can still lose due to AR AA working and no AA for the HMG
If the assault hit the heavy from the back then hes dead basically
Either way the Duvolle doing 1500dmg in CQC range which is supposed to be the heavys and HMG bread and butter makes the heavy and the HMG obsolete |
Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:10:00 -
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8213 wrote:Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPKJust a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture. i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..." Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse? Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it.
looks like a guy with prof 5 and 5 complex damage mods (or no damage mods) got behind you and spammed the crap out of your head whilst your were shooting somebody else?
a GEK does 600-700dmg in an instant.
The exile and toxin do 700-800 damage in an instant
so duvolle does 900-1000 damage in an instant.
Thanks for proving a point though, it doesn't matter how much you tank when your sprint speed is 5m/S, bullet damage and time to kill is slowly turning this game into a one-trick-pony, literally one class to rule them all!
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8213
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:42:00 -
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The gunfight was head on with me knowing where me enemy was and coming around a corner and shooting first. None of my shots missed. There was nothing I can replay in my mind that I did wrong. As you see, I almost killed him, but at 6m, the fight shouldn't have ever been that close. |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:38:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:8213 wrote:Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPKJust a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture. i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..." Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse? Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it. looks like a guy with prof 5 and 5 complex damage mods (or no damage mods) got behind you and spammed the crap out of your head whilst your were shooting somebody else? a GEK does 600-700dmg in an instant. The exile and toxin do 700-800 damage in an instant so duvolle does 900-1000 damage in an instant. Thanks for proving a point though, it doesn't matter how much you tank when your sprint speed is 5m/S, bullet damage and time to kill is slowly turning this game into a one-trick-pony, literally one class to rule them all!
my PC proto heavy fit has less speed than that due to me using armor 3 complex armor plates, think the running speed was 4m/s walking speed is 3.5m/s or somewhere near that amount. and even with 3 complex armor plates, it still doesnt keep me alive long enough to finish off a duvolle user
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
951
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:58:00 -
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Man OP been really buttmad lately.
For the Empire!
Well fuck me i can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:03:00 -
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Takes all kinds of bad posts to get CCP to do anything. Ask the CPM, IWS is intimately familiar with the power of tears.
Intelligent breakdowns, angry protests, ragequits, video evidence, incoherent rants, etc. All are required.
Sad reality, but CCP has to be convinced that a poor element of the game is affecting all kinds of people -- not just the intelligent ones who can control themselves -- before they will actually take action. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
1840
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:19:00 -
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the HMG is just broken compared to assault rifles. AR's have 100% accuracy, dont need to sping up to gain better accuracy and you can strafe with them without loosing accuracy aswell. Range is better too so why should any 1 use a HMG over a AR in the first place?
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:21:00 -
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the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :( |
castba
Penguin's March
188
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Posted - 2013.11.09 15:58:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:From 6m away the Duvolle AA is just as strong as it is 50m away
He can strafe back and forth and not miss
The heavy with the HMG on the otherhand actually has to aim with the HMG, AA doesnt work on the HMG thus he has to aim and keep up with the Assault
Now if the assault was hitting him straight from the front the heavy should win but if the assault jumps about like a bunny on crack the heavy can still lose due to AR AA working and no AA for the HMG
If the assault hit the heavy from the back then hes dead basically
Either way the Duvolle doing 1500dmg in CQC range which is supposed to be the heavys and HMG bread and butter makes the heavy and the HMG obsolete HMG does indeed have AA. It is gentle and only seems to show itself if you are not touching the R stick. |
Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:02:00 -
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8213 wrote:Storyline is not a word Oxford English Dictionary says otherwise
On topic ... though the conclusion is valid, the HMG should best an assault rifle on a medium frame at close range, you simply don't have any evidence in that picture to support it.
That damage number is known to not be accurate with the damage that lead to that specific death (unless this has been altered recently)
He was using a proto weapon on a proto suit, you were using an advanced weapon (apparently) and that's all we know ... for all we know he had stacked light damage mods and complex plates against your militia armour repairers and kincats (or whatever fail-fit) ... in that case the proto medium frame with proto weapon SHOULD best the fail-fit heavy (not saying yours was, but you don't provide enough information to judge).
There's also the factor that an assault rifle has bonus to armour (your primary tank) whereas the HMG has bonus to armour (not the caldari primary tank) ... on top of that if he was 100% head-shoting you and you were spraying his body, there's a vast bonus difference in effect too, on top of the weapon and dropsuit tier differences AND the potential differences in situational fitting.
Long story short ... there are too many variables to be able to say off one kill mail that this or that is OP or UP ... is the HMG UP ... is the AR OP ... is the Heavy suit UP ... is the Caldari Medium frame OP ... is the Shield Extender OP ... was his fit, strategy and ability better than yours ? YES, he won, but barely ! I don't doubt the next man killed him relatively quickly and I don't doubt his fitting was considerably more expensive than yours.
Yes the Heavy still needs looking at, as do scouts AND assaults, as well as survivability in general, even brick tanked logistics suits get torn to pieces in an instant by certain weapons, maybe armour/shield bonuses are too high, maybe headshot bonuses are too high, maybe aim assist is too strong, maybe it's a little of everything.
There are more heavy weapons coming, one of which should be an equivalent weapon with a shield bonus, like we have the AR and SCR, so maybe the HMG is right where it should be and would have bested an equivalent armour tanked suit, but to beat that higher spec shield tanked suit you would have been better fitted with a shield bonus CQC heavy weapon. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
776
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:02:00 -
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GET GOOD SCRUB
Maybe stop being a heavy and switch to logistics so you can keep me repped and my KD high. If you would just switch to a Brick Tanked Medium Frame with a Duvolle ASSualt Rifle, you wouldn't have a problem.
Stop trying to add diversity to COD514. We already have enough nutjobs trying to reform Grenadier 514.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
776
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:04:00 -
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1,449 HP of Damage?
HOLY F***!
How is that even possible?
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
293
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:24:00 -
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Trying to make the HMG a cqc weapon is unlogical and very inpractical, it must be redesigned as long range weapon which it is in real life and every other shooter game out there. Period. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
293
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:29:00 -
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low genius wrote:the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :(
It is only a beast against new or very bad players in cqc, there is no chance 1 vs 1 against a duvolle even as a tanked proto with the HMG skills fully maxed out. |
NOT JL
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:34:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:low genius wrote:the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :( It is only a beast against new or very bad players in cqc, there is no chance 1 vs 1 against a duvolle even as a tanked proto with the HMG skills fully maxed out.
Really? Take the wrong corner and you are a dead man.
Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln
Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
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