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8213 Grade No.2 591	Posted - 2013.11.09 09:18:00 - [1] - Quote Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPK Just a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture. i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..." Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse? Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it.
8213 Grade No.2 594	Posted - 2013.11.09 09:59:00 - [2] - Quote I really expected to hear a "you're just bad, kid" to this one...
Zatara Rought Imperfects 1560	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:01:00 - [3] - Quote Perhaps people realize attempting to converse with you is worse than watching p0rn for the storyline. That's Masternader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
8213 Grade No.2 594	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:05:00 - [4] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Perhaps people realize attempting to converse with you is worse than watching p0rn for the storyline. story line* English spelling never goes out of style.
NOT JL 10	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:10:00 - [5] - Quote "you're just bad, kid" also did you test this before you quit or after? Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 718	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:10:00 - [6] - Quote 8213 wrote: story line* English spelling never goes out of style. *storyline It was correct the first time. If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
8213 Grade No.2 594	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:13:00 - [7] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: 8213 wrote: story line* English spelling never goes out of style. storyline It was correct the first time. Did you Google that one too? Storyline* is not a word, just like alot isn't a word either; two seperate words. But, I don't feel like being a Grammar ****. If you have something to contribute about the topics of my threads (any of them) feel free. What are your thoughts about CCP or the HMG?
8213 Grade No.2 594	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:28:00 - [8] - Quote NOT JL wrote: "you're just bad, kid" also did you test this before you quit or after? I quit at the start of 1.5. I didn't use the HMG during that short time. Except once, when I was playing against DJNN Maurder, and his Scout walk right through my HMG and he killed me with a Shotgun. Even he admitted though, that it was lag, because that is supposed to be impossible. I know in 1.4 with the aim assist, it was a nightmare. And all before 1.3 I was an HMG regular. The whole reason I put the game back on(which quite a few people do at every patch, then uninstall again) was because Shotty Go Bang said the shotguns were fixed; technically he was wrong. They aren't "fixed" they are just broken in the favor of the user now. You get kills when you completely miss an opponent, and still get blanks when your shot is on. I've been using Shotguns like crazy since 1.6, trying to find some enjoyment out of them (I am finding a little, but only when the lag and bullsht is working in my favor, so its not very fair). But, I've been forced to use an AR in this game if I want any form of success. Even my SCR is not match for the Gallante Brick w/ Duvolle. So, I tried out the HMG. Before 1.4, my KDR with the HMG was around 20. So, I decided to try it out and see for myself what the forums were talking about. Needless to say. Its beyond saving. I knew it was bad, because a HMG hasn't killed me yet since I've been playing 1.6, that was my first tell tale sign. The safest place to stand from an HMG seems to be right in front of it. After 10 games of using the HMG, I just quit using it. It was actually making me upset, like feeling down upset. The highlight of the night was (what my link displays) is when an Duvolle was able to shoot me dead(and I started shooting first) from 6m away. That is mathematically impossible. My screen was lit up with hitmarkers, but he still gunned me down from 6 fcking meters away...
Rei Shepard Spectre II 860	Posted - 2013.11.09 11:03:00 - [9] - Quote 8213 wrote: NOT JL wrote: "you're just bad, kid" also did you test this before you quit or after? I quit at the start of 1.5. I didn't use the HMG during that short time. Except once, when I was playing against DJNN Maurder, and his Scout walk right through my HMG and he killed me with a Shotgun. Even he admitted though, that it was lag, because that is supposed to be impossible. I know in 1.4 with the aim assist, it was a nightmare. And all before 1.3 I was an HMG regular. The whole reason I put the game back on(which quite a few people do at every patch, then uninstall again) was because Shotty Go Bang said the shotguns were fixed; technically he was wrong. They aren't "fixed" they are just broken in the favor of the user now. You get kills when you completely miss an opponent, and still get blanks when your shot is on. I've been using Shotguns like crazy since 1.6, trying to find some enjoyment out of them (I am finding a little, but only when the lag and bullsht is working in my favor, so its not very fair). But, I've been forced to use an AR in this game if I want any form of success. Even my SCR is not match for the Gallante Brick w/ Duvolle. So, I tried out the HMG. Before 1.4, my KDR with the HMG was around 20. So, I decided to try it out and see for myself what the forums were talking about. Needless to say. Its beyond saving. I knew it was bad, because a HMG hasn't killed me yet since I've been playing 1.6, that was my first tell tale sign. The safest place to stand from an HMG seems to be right in front of it. After 10 games of using the HMG, I just quit using it. It was actually making me upset, like feeling down upset. The highlight of the night was (what my link displays) is when an Duvolle was able to shoot me dead(and I started shooting first) from 6m away. That is mathematically impossible. My screen was lit up with hitmarkers, but he still gunned me down from 6 fcking meters away... Must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post..../Rocks back and forth Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Zatara Rought Imperfects 1563	Posted - 2013.11.09 11:08:00 - [10] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post..../Rocks back and forth Don't do it, bro. Leave the bad poster alone!!! That's Masternader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought

8213 Grade No.2 595	Posted - 2013.11.09 11:12:00 - [11] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post, must not reply to this post..../Rocks back and forth Don't do it, bro. Leave the bad poster alone!!! I'll ask again, do you have a problem with me? If so, do you want to work it out, or just continue to squabble on the internet like a child?
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 855	Posted - 2013.11.09 11:17:00 - [12] - Quote 8213 wrote: Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. -- snip -- What, you never heard of the lowest bidder? Welcome to DUST.
KIRSTY j The Walking Targets 16	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:08:00 - [13] - Quote the hmg really does need more power. sad that light weapons out match it, even at close range.
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2222	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:09:00 - [14] - Quote Whether we like the OP or not, he isn't exactly wrong here...
Zatara Rought Imperfects 1581	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:26:00 - [15] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Whether we like the OP or not, he isn't exactly wrong here... Getting killed by a duvolle from 6m away? Supposed to convince me (rather poorly) of an argument that we all recognize the validity of? It just reminds me of that other bad poster....Buster Friendly, that's the guy! Trying to make a point, and doing it in a very flawed way. Sure you may be right, but with weak evidence like this used to support it (or perhaps I'm completely missing the forest for the trees and you can help me out) it's just a lol thread. Show me a video of an hmg getting the jump on an ar and him turning around and outdpsing the hmg and then open up your fit after the death and show me a double damage modded proto basic heavy...and that's an efficacious argument. Not that we needed captain obvious to tell us what we all know already. That's Masternader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1637	Posted - 2013.11.09 13:07:00 - [16] - Quote From 6m away the Duvolle AA is just as strong as it is 50m away He can strafe back and forth and not miss The heavy with the HMG on the otherhand actually has to aim with the HMG, AA doesnt work on the HMG thus he has to aim and keep up with the Assault Now if the assault was hitting him straight from the front the heavy should win but if the assault jumps about like a bunny on crack the heavy can still lose due to AR AA working and no AA for the HMG If the assault hit the heavy from the back then hes dead basically Either way the Duvolle doing 1500dmg in CQC range which is supposed to be the heavys and HMG bread and butter makes the heavy and the HMG obsolete
Scheherazade VII 99	Posted - 2013.11.09 13:10:00 - [17] - Quote 8213 wrote: Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPK Just a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture. i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..." Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse? Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it. looks like a guy with prof 5 and 5 complex damage mods (or no damage mods) got behind you and spammed the crap out of your head whilst your were shooting somebody else? a GEK does 600-700dmg in an instant. The exile and toxin do 700-800 damage in an instant so duvolle does 900-1000 damage in an instant. Thanks for proving a point though, it doesn't matter how much you tank when your sprint speed is 5m/S, bullet damage and time to kill is slowly turning this game into a one-trick-pony, literally one class to rule them all! GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
8213 Grade No.2 599	Posted - 2013.11.09 13:42:00 - [18] - Quote The gunfight was head on with me knowing where me enemy was and coming around a corner and shooting first. None of my shots missed. There was nothing I can replay in my mind that I did wrong. As you see, I almost killed him, but at 6m, the fight shouldn't have ever been that close.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 641	Posted - 2013.11.09 14:38:00 - [19] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: 8213 wrote: Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPK Just a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture. i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..." Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse? Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it. looks like a guy with prof 5 and 5 complex damage mods (or no damage mods) got behind you and spammed the crap out of your head whilst your were shooting somebody else? a GEK does 600-700dmg in an instant. The exile and toxin do 700-800 damage in an instant so duvolle does 900-1000 damage in an instant. Thanks for proving a point though, it doesn't matter how much you tank when your sprint speed is 5m/S, bullet damage and time to kill is slowly turning this game into a one-trick-pony, literally one class to rule them all! my PC proto heavy fit has less speed than that due to me using armor 3 complex armor plates, think the running speed was 4m/s walking speed is 3.5m/s or somewhere near that amount. and even with 3 complex armor plates, it still doesnt keep me alive long enough to finish off a duvolle user We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 951	Posted - 2013.11.09 14:58:00 - [20] - Quote Man OP been really buttmad lately. For the Empire! Well fuck me i can say fuck in my sig, who knew?

Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2224	Posted - 2013.11.09 15:03:00 - [21] - Quote Takes all kinds of bad posts to get CCP to do anything. Ask the CPM, IWS is intimately familiar with the power of tears. Intelligent breakdowns, angry protests, ragequits, video evidence, incoherent rants, etc. All are required. Sad reality, but CCP has to be convinced that a poor element of the game is affecting all kinds of people -- not just the intelligent ones who can control themselves -- before they will actually take action.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1840	Posted - 2013.11.09 15:19:00 - [22] - Quote the HMG is just broken compared to assault rifles. AR's have 100% accuracy, dont need to sping up to gain better accuracy and you can strafe with them without loosing accuracy aswell. Range is better too so why should any 1 use a HMG over a AR in the first place? I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 844	Posted - 2013.11.09 15:21:00 - [23] - Quote the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :(
castba Penguin's March 188	Posted - 2013.11.09 15:58:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: From 6m away the Duvolle AA is just as strong as it is 50m away He can strafe back and forth and not miss The heavy with the HMG on the otherhand actually has to aim with the HMG, AA doesnt work on the HMG thus he has to aim and keep up with the Assault Now if the assault was hitting him straight from the front the heavy should win but if the assault jumps about like a bunny on crack the heavy can still lose due to AR AA working and no AA for the HMG If the assault hit the heavy from the back then hes dead basically Either way the Duvolle doing 1500dmg in CQC range which is supposed to be the heavys and HMG bread and butter makes the heavy and the HMG obsolete HMG does indeed have AA. It is gentle and only seems to show itself if you are not touching the R stick.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 568	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:02:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: Storyline is not a word Oxford English Dictionary says otherwise On topic ... though the conclusion is valid, the HMG should best an assault rifle on a medium frame at close range, you simply don't have any evidence in that picture to support it. That damage number is known to not be accurate with the damage that lead to that specific death (unless this has been altered recently) He was using a proto weapon on a proto suit, you were using an advanced weapon (apparently) and that's all we know ... for all we know he had stacked light damage mods and complex plates against your militia armour repairers and kincats (or whatever fail-fit) ... in that case the proto medium frame with proto weapon SHOULD best the fail-fit heavy (not saying yours was, but you don't provide enough information to judge). There's also the factor that an assault rifle has bonus to armour (your primary tank) whereas the HMG has bonus to armour (not the caldari primary tank) ... on top of that if he was 100% head-shoting you and you were spraying his body, there's a vast bonus difference in effect too, on top of the weapon and dropsuit tier differences AND the potential differences in situational fitting. Long story short ... there are too many variables to be able to say off one kill mail that this or that is OP or UP ... is the HMG UP ... is the AR OP ... is the Heavy suit UP ... is the Caldari Medium frame OP ... is the Shield Extender OP ... was his fit, strategy and ability better than yours ? YES, he won, but barely ! I don't doubt the next man killed him relatively quickly and I don't doubt his fitting was considerably more expensive than yours. Yes the Heavy still needs looking at, as do scouts AND assaults, as well as survivability in general, even brick tanked logistics suits get torn to pieces in an instant by certain weapons, maybe armour/shield bonuses are too high, maybe headshot bonuses are too high, maybe aim assist is too strong, maybe it's a little of everything. There are more heavy weapons coming, one of which should be an equivalent weapon with a shield bonus, like we have the AR and SCR, so maybe the HMG is right where it should be and would have bested an equivalent armour tanked suit, but to beat that higher spec shield tanked suit you would have been better fitted with a shield bonus CQC heavy weapon.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 776	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:02:00 - [26] - Quote GET GOOD SCRUB Maybe stop being a heavy and switch to logistics so you can keep me repped and my KD high. If you would just switch to a Brick Tanked Medium Frame with a Duvolle ASSualt Rifle, you wouldn't have a problem. Stop trying to add diversity to COD514. We already have enough nutjobs trying to reform Grenadier 514. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 776	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:04:00 - [27] - Quote 1,449 HP of Damage? HOLY F**! How is that even possible? There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry* You'll still be useful in my eyes
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 293	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:24:00 - [28] - Quote Trying to make the HMG a cqc weapon is unlogical and very inpractical, it must be redesigned as long range weapon which it is in real life and every other shooter game out there. Period.
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 293	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:29:00 - [29] - Quote low genius wrote: the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :( It is only a beast against new or very bad players in cqc, there is no chance 1 vs 1 against a duvolle even as a tanked proto with the HMG skills fully maxed out.
NOT JL 21	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:34:00 - [30] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: low genius wrote: the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :( It is only a beast against new or very bad players in cqc, there is no chance 1 vs 1 against a duvolle even as a tanked proto with the HMG skills fully maxed out. Really? Take the wrong corner and you are a dead man. Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 845	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:37:00 - [31] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: low genius wrote: the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :( It is only a beast against new or very bad players in cqc, there is no chance 1 vs 1 against a duvolle even as a tanked proto with the HMG skills fully maxed out. i'm not sure about that. I've been pulling out the heavy when i'm locked into an objective, and been going on 10 kill streaks pretty regularly.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7469	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:41:00 - [32] - Quote I kill proto heavies with my exile all the time A little bit of my fan fiction
Zero Notion Wraith Company 296	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:43:00 - [33] - Quote Whenever they roll out a large new patch, they accompany it with one of these 3x events to bring people out of the woodwork, stress test their mechanics all week and see how the patch is holding up. In the mean time, they are stressing out the players with poor patch implementation by offering up what is clearly unbalanced mechanics that swing wildly in favor from one weapon to the next, again and again. It wouldn't be so bad if there was something else to do in DUST, like a single-player mode, where you're not constantly combating with mechanics that are seemingly perpetually not in your favor; unless you enjoy utilizing fit of the month but despite that, you are as much as a victim to the mechanics even in doing so. If you feel that you have to take advantage of the FOM to stay competitive, that's even worse, because it's forcing you into a specific play style rather than allowing you to develop your own.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 321	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:43:00 - [34] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: looks like a guy with prof 5 and 5 complex damage mods (or no damage mods) got behind you and spammed the crap out of your head whilst your were shooting somebody else? a GEK does 600-700dmg in an instant. The exile and toxin do 700-800 damage in an instant so duvolle does 900-1000 damage in an instant. Thanks for proving a point though, it doesn't matter how much you tank when your sprint speed is 5m/S, bullet damage and time to kill is slowly turning this game into a one-trick-pony, literally one class to rule them all! Why does an Exile/Toxin more damage than a GEK? I don't use AR.
NOT JL 21	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:47:00 - [35] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: looks like a guy with prof 5 and 5 complex damage mods (or no damage mods) got behind you and spammed the crap out of your head whilst your were shooting somebody else? a GEK does 600-700dmg in an instant. The exile and toxin do 700-800 damage in an instant so duvolle does 900-1000 damage in an instant. Thanks for proving a point though, it doesn't matter how much you tank when your sprint speed is 5m/S, bullet damage and time to kill is slowly turning this game into a one-trick-pony, literally one class to rule them all! Why does an Exile/Toxin more damage than a GEK? I don't use AR. recoil. Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
NOT JL 22	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:49:00 - [36] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Whenever they roll out a large new patch, they accompany it with one of these 3x events to bring people out of the woodwork, stress test their mechanics all week and see how the patch is holding up. In the mean time, they are stressing out the players with poor patch implementation by offering up what is clearly unbalanced mechanics that swing wildly in favor from one weapon to the next, again and again. It wouldn't be so bad if there was something else to do in DUST, like a single-player mode, where you're not constantly combating with mechanics that are seemingly perpetually not in your favor; unless you enjoy utilizing fit of the month but despite that, you are as much as a victim to the mechanics even in doing so. If you feel that you have to take advantage of the FOM to stay competitive, that's even worse, because it's forcing you into a specific play style rather than allowing you to develop your own. My eyes hurt. see that did 4 random paragraphs took no time. Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 143	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:50:00 - [37] - Quote OP, I congratulate you for trying to defend the HMG, as I and many of my companions have done, but regrettably, we are but a small voice. You see, this is Dust 514, where the AR users call the shots, and anytime anyone attempts to make another weapon more powerful than their precious ARs, they get attacked and stomped down in the dust that wafts across the deserts of this games maps. CCP shall not harken overmuch to the issues at hand, rather being more concerned with the whims and wishes of the greater part of players: the AR users. For the rest of us, we must endure the long walk until CCP comes to their senses in regards to Scouts and Heavies. For though we are facing destitute times, we must place out trust in the Lord and Savior LogiBro to deliver us into viability.
NOT JL 22	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:51:00 - [38] - Quote Awesome Pantaloons wrote: OP, I congratulate you for trying to defend the HMG, as I and many of my companions have done, but regrettably, we are but a small voice. You see, this is Dust 514, where the AR users call the shots, and anytime anyone attempts to make another weapon more powerful than their precious ARs, they get attacked and stomped down in the dust that wafts across the deserts of this games maps. CCP shall not harken overmuch to the issues at hand, rather being more concerned with the whims and wishes of the greater part of players: the AR users. For the rest of us, we must endure the long walk until CCP comes to their senses in regards to Scouts and Heavies. For though we are facing destitute times, we must place out trust in the Lord and Savior LogiBro to deliver us into viability. My eyes hurt. lol couldn't help it . Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
Zero Notion Wraith Company 296	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:52:00 - [39] - Quote NOT JL wrote: Zero Notion wrote: Whenever they roll out a large new patch, they accompany it with one of these 3x events to bring people out of the woodwork, stress test their mechanics all week and see how the patch is holding up. In the mean time, they are stressing out the players with poor patch implementation by offering up what is clearly unbalanced mechanics that swing wildly in favor from one weapon to the next, again and again. It wouldn't be so bad if there was something else to do in DUST, like a single-player mode, where you're not constantly combating with mechanics that are seemingly perpetually not in your favor; unless you enjoy utilizing fit of the month but despite that, you are as much as a victim to the mechanics even in doing so. If you feel that you have to take advantage of the FOM to stay competitive, that's even worse, because it's forcing you into a specific play style rather than allowing you to develop your own. My eyes hurt. see that did 4 random paragraphs took no time. Those are not paragraphs. You broke up four sentences that were a paragraph. Congratulations, you've failed basic writing.
NOT JL 22	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:54:00 - [40] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: NOT JL wrote: Zero Notion wrote: Whenever they roll out a large new patch, they accompany it with one of these 3x events to bring people out of the woodwork, stress test their mechanics all week and see how the patch is holding up. In the mean time, they are stressing out the players with poor patch implementation by offering up what is clearly unbalanced mechanics that swing wildly in favor from one weapon to the next, again and again. It wouldn't be so bad if there was something else to do in DUST, like a single-player mode, where you're not constantly combating with mechanics that are seemingly perpetually not in your favor; unless you enjoy utilizing fit of the month but despite that, you are as much as a victim to the mechanics even in doing so. If you feel that you have to take advantage of the FOM to stay competitive, that's even worse, because it's forcing you into a specific play style rather than allowing you to develop your own. My eyes hurt. see that did 4 random paragraphs took no time. Those are not paragraphs. You broke up four sentences that were a paragraph. Congratulations, you've failed basic writing. Thanx, how mooch isk I geet? Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington

Zero Notion Wraith Company 296	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:58:00 - [41] - Quote I said writing, not spelling. Now you get no ISK, sorry. I do have this broken HMG. If you want it. See? A space between lines does not make a paragraph. I hope that you understand. It's not meant to mock you or feed the troll; honestly! But, you make my eyes hurt. With all these spaces between the lines. There's so much potential being wasted in those spaces! Like, the joy of having a fully constructed and well written paragraph!
NOT JL 22	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:02:00 - [42] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: I said writing, not spelling. Now you get no ISK, sorry. I do have this broken HMG. If you want it. See? A space between lines does not make a paragraph. I hope that you understand. It's not meant to mock you or feed the troll; honestly! But, you make my eyes hurt. With all these spaces between the lines. There's so much potential being wasted in those spaces! Like, the joy of having a fully constructed and well written paragraph! LOL arn't you the cutest thing I'm drunk and you're angry. Who's the loser? Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
Zero Notion Wraith Company 296	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:04:00 - [43] - Quote That sure did escalate quickly :(
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 321	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:10:00 - [44] - Quote Why does the Toxin has less dispersion than the GEK? I don't use AR.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1840	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:27:00 - [45] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: There's also the factor that an assault rifle has bonus to armour Wrong you do less damage with a AR against armor then you would against shields. The difference between both damage profiles is 20%. 110% damage versus shields and 90% against armor. You are mistaken that gallente AR's do more damage against armor. Minmatarr weapons like the HMG and SMG do additional damage against armor but less against shields. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 796	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:49:00 - [46] - Quote Alright I'll try to explain it to you. When a COD Scrub and Duvolle love each other very much, they get prof V. But then the COD Scrub and the Duvolle want to add some more excitement to their "acts of romance" so they use complex "damage mods" to increase the excitement of that act of romance. And when all the pleasure is over you end up giving birth to a heavy with 1.4k damage up his @$$. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
8213 Grade No.2 607	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:58:00 - [47] - Quote I know a lot of varaiables are left unexplained, but I was the one in the actual game. Either way, he was in front of me. He was 6m away. An HMG should never lose that fight, ever.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1332	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:01:00 - [48] - Quote 8213 wrote: Basically, CCP you have a lot of f*cking explaining to do... Not in the way of making the HMG be effective, but how you think you have the right to build a game in the first place. Explain this. Please, I'm begging you. Try to explain this: http://t.co/zvUwbINBPK Just a quick run down: I have 600+ Shields/800+Armor. I use the MH-82 Notice the range in the picture. i know this isn't going to get a blue tag, because CCP only answers to stuff they actually know they have the answer to, but I really want them to start looking at what's happening in their game instead of worrying about "added guns... turning up the action... removing BPOs..." Do people in Iceland drive cars with only 3 tires, cracked engine blocks, and the top down in the winter?? Ever heard of the term putting the cart before the horse? Make your game work, then maybe people will actually play it. I thought Krusader was a heavy? Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4450	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:19:00 - [49] - Quote lolHMG... why bother using it. Duvolle >>>>> HMG in CQC ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 295	Posted - 2013.11.10 03:43:00 - [50] - Quote NOT JL wrote: Powerh8er wrote: low genius wrote: the hmg is a cqc weapon right now. i'm not saying that makes sense. but in close quarters it's a beast now. step out side the front door and die, though :( It is only a beast against new or very bad players in cqc, there is no chance 1 vs 1 against a duvolle even as a tanked proto with the HMG skills fully maxed out. Really? Take the wrong corner and you are a dead man. You must be a bad heavy tbh. If your hiding in a corner waiting for people to walk in, then it does not matter how underpowered the gun is.

Toby Flenderson research lab 105	Posted - 2013.11.10 04:09:00 - [51] - Quote 8213 wrote: NOT JL wrote: "you're just bad, kid" also did you test this before you quit or after? I quit at the start of 1.5. I didn't use the HMG during that short time. Except once, when I was playing against DJNN Maurder, and his Scout walk right through my HMG and he killed me with a Shotgun. Even he admitted though, that it was lag, because that is supposed to be impossible. I know in 1.4 with the aim assist, it was a nightmare. And all before 1.3 I was an HMG regular. The whole reason I put the game back on(which quite a few people do at every patch, then uninstall again) was because Shotty Go Bang said the shotguns were fixed; technically he was wrong. They aren't "fixed" they are just broken in the favor of the user now. You get kills when you completely miss an opponent, and still get blanks when your shot is on. I've been using Shotguns like crazy since 1.6, trying to find some enjoyment out of them (I am finding a little, but only when the lag and bullsht is working in my favor, so its not very fair). But, I've been forced to use an AR in this game if I want any form of success. Even my SCR is not match for the Gallante Brick w/ Duvolle. So, I tried out the HMG. Before 1.4, my KDR with the HMG was around 20. So, I decided to try it out and see for myself what the forums were talking about. Needless to say. Its beyond saving. I knew it was bad, because a HMG hasn't killed me yet since I've been playing 1.6, that was my first tell tale sign. The safest place to stand from an HMG seems to be right in front of it. After 10 games of using the HMG, I just quit using it. It was actually making me upset, like feeling down upset. The highlight of the night was (what my link displays) is when an Duvolle was able to shoot me dead(and I started shooting first) from 6m away. That is mathematically impossible. My screen was lit up with hitmarkers, but he still gunned me down from 6 fcking meters away... I really don't understand what issues you're having. I decided to try the HMG for fun so I got an advanced heavy suit and advanced HMG and went like 20-3 a bunch of times without a problem. I thought it was actually kind of funny how easy it was to do this on my first try. I went off my experience with fighting heavies and decided to stay where I knew I could beat people: Choke points and CQ. If I hadn't personally experience how easy it is to use this class I wouldn't be saying this but unfortunately I have so, yeah, you're probably just bad at it or something.
8213 Grade No.2 614	Posted - 2013.11.10 04:21:00 - [52] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: I really don't understand what issues you're having. I decided to try the HMG for fun so I got an advanced heavy suit and advanced HMG and went like 20-3 a bunch of times without a problem. I thought it was actually kind of funny how easy it was to do this on my first try. I went off my experience with fighting heavies and decided to stay where I knew I could beat people: Choke points and CQ. If I hadn't personally experience how easy it is to use this class I wouldn't be saying this but unfortunately I have so, yeah, you're probably just bad at it or something. Yup, I've never used the HMG before. Yup, I've never had 30/0 games with it before. Yup, i don't know how to use the setup properly. Yup, I can only starter fits noobs... You're right. I'm bad... thanks for reading the whole thread, because I wouldn't want to reexplain everything because of your laziness. Tell me, how many times have you been killed while using an HMG from 6m away? Notice the guy's name in the picture btw? I promise that he would have eaten you alive. Go back read the part where I was in a CQC situation(I think the fact that it shows 6m is evidence of that), I was dictating the engagements to my advantage, I did shoot first and get the jump on him. Go back and read where my HMG KD is in the 20s. Next week, when your SP resets, play as Heavy the whole week. Come back and tell me how you did, okay?


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