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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:48:00 -
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i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? they are both VERY viable suits. the logi is COMPLTELY fine in my opinion. idgaf if it can tank 1000+ hp. i've been dealing with that for months.
now would you people please get your heads out of your asses and realize that there are actually other things that NEED tweaking. for example, the Minmatar Scout. without core skills, it gets a measly 230 cpu. What the hell can 230 cpu do? us scouts have been trying to push these kind of matters for a long time, but apparently to some people, a 6m passive scan increase is good enough.
now i know this isn't everyone, but i am so sick of seeing these "nerf logi" or "limit damage mod" threads when some of us actually NEED some love.
we're not asking to become slayers or be able to jump into a crowd and kill everyone. we just want to be on the same playing field. but some people can't get past themselves so that they can see the real issues here.
i fail to see how ccp thinks that adding more assault rifles and reducing the TTK every patch while at the same time leaving anyone who isn't a "logi or assault" to the wolves. i can deal with this short time to kill and all. its annoying and bullshit, but i can deal with it. it's getting rather difficult to deal with the fact that patch after patch, anyone who isn't in a medium frame or uses an AR gets the short end of the stick.
i'm happy for new weapons and suits and all, but in reality i'm probably not going to use the combat and rail rifle too often.
to those of you who don't want this game to turn into CoD 514 then thank you.
to chose who kept bitching and moaning about everything that wasn't an AR, then i ******* hate you. you are the reason that this game is not where it should be. if you want CoD then go play CoD. i came to DUST because i thought it would be different than CoD. i expected, and still are expecting this game to change the face of gaming for the better, and i know im not the only one.
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Papa Chanoli
WarRavens
League of Infamy
71
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:59:00 -
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+1 This. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:23:00 -
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I agree, IMO logis and assaults are fairly balanced, people just need to work on tactics and teamwork.
1 BASIC RE can kill any protobear (with the exception of an all out maxed out dual tanked heavy)
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:26:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect?
Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to... |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
471
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:29:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to...
why exactly did you post? to single out that ONE fact? the logi and assault beat the scout in EVERY aspect. and you dont see me crying "nerf logis! nerf assaults!"
come on dude, really?
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Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet
Top Men.
135
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:30:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to...
Here, I got a better one:
i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the medium suit beats the scout suit in almost every aspect?
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2155
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:31:00 -
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Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2001
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:32:00 -
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+1
Unfortunately I'm guilty of this, thanks for helping me realize it.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
Fix my scout already
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
471
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:34:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank.
and what about my scout suit?
your assault AND logi
can tank much more
have much more pg/cpu
can beat me in every aspect that a scout does.
but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1224
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:35:00 -
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The only broken logi suit is the Gallente.
They need no high slots. None, end of story.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
471
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The only broken logi suit is the Gallente.
They need no high slots. None, end of story.
but every other logi gets highs and lows?
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2001
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The only broken logi suit is the Gallente.
They need no high slots. None, end of story.
Then calldari get no low slots.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
Fix my scout already
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7456
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
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Logi for days
Thousands and thousands of WP for dropping equipment. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1208
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:36:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank.
Nailed it...logi is best class in game if you denie it then you clearly suck at dust
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:38:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The only broken logi suit is the Gallente.
They need no high slots. None, end of story. Then calldari get no low slots.
Give them there base armor and add to shields making them faster then yeah go for it otherwise it need 1 low for a rep
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
471
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:40:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The only broken logi suit is the Gallente.
They need no high slots. None, end of story. Then calldari get no low slots. Give them there base armor and add to shields making them faster then yeah go for it otherwise it need 1 low for a rep
let's stay on topic here.
this isn't a thread for people to discuss what changes they think the logi needs.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2002
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:41:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:The only broken logi suit is the Gallente.
They need no high slots. None, end of story. Then calldari get no low slots. Give them there base armor and add to shields making them faster then yeah go for it otherwise it need 1 low for a rep let's stay on topic here. this isn't a thread for people to discuss what changes they think the logi needs.
Sorry  I lost myself.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
Fix my scout already
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
2676
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:42:00 -
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Obviously the almighty medium frames are WAYYY Better than the scout and heavy. It's a fact. It kinda silly seeing them argue when there are suits like the min scout and the commando that are horrendous... Lol
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
471
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:43:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Obviously the almighty medium frames are WAYYY Better than the scout and heavy. It's a fact. It kinda silly seeing them argue when there are suits like the min scout and the commando that are horrendous... Lol
that's exactly what i'm trying to say.
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
320
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:45:00 -
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Nerf the scrambler rifle and bump up the sniper rifle CPU to be on par with other weapons...oops wrong thread...Caldari are lame. |
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
471
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:47:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Nerf the scrambler rifle and bump up the sniper rifle CPU to be on par with other weapons...oops wrong thread...Caldari are lame.
what?
i don't even...
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:48:00 -
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You guys do what you wish in a week ill be in kzsf...and yeah scout needs fixed but not 700+ armour and still be faster than assaults...heavies suck cuz the hmg sucks ass
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:52:00 -
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Logi shouldn't have more highs/lows and equipment than assaults it should be one or the other...idk commandos just suck I can't think of a fix for them...if your going to have proto av their should be proto vehicles cuz of balance issues no proto vehicles take out proto av...there should be no redline cuz snipers abuse it to not die and make bank...nades should be supplied like equipment you use them then have to die or use a supply depot and change suits
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
2676
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:55:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:You guys do what you wish in a week ill be in kzsf...and yeah scout needs fixed but not 700+ armour and still be faster than assaults...heavies suck cuz the hmg sucks ass
LUCKY!!!
I want kzsf but I'm not getting it anytime soon, ill probly get ps4 by Christmas so ill get it then :(
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Paran Tadec
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:56:00 -
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The Logi itself is fine. My thread is about making the assault more appealing for its role.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:01:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:You guys do what you wish in a week ill be in kzsf...and yeah scout needs fixed but not 700+ armour and still be faster than assaults...heavies suck cuz the hmg sucks ass LUCKY!!! I want kzsf but I'm not getting it anytime soon, ill probly get ps4 by Christmas so ill get it then :(
Okay I need to be reminded who all to tell my new psn names to, changing it on ps4 so like in a week unless I'm loaded with school work
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2402
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:02:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to...
Yeah this is like saying, "So what if babies are starving in Africa? Global warming is a bigger issue."
Makes me do this face ------> 
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:03:00 -
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Here's is what's going on, assault suits are designed to be the best suit when you are using assault tactics (I'm not just talking about using cover but using hit and run tactics, guerrilla tactics etc.)
logis are good because they can dual tank and you can stand in the open and slay thousands of mercs without dying. They can carry many pieces of equipment meaning you can farm WP all day and get orbitals all by yourself without firing a single shot, or you can carry loads of nanohives so you won't run out of ammo (but let's face it, if you go through 2 nanohives in 2 minutes and only kill 5 mercs, your wasting ammo).
People like to just stand there and shoot each other until one of them pops. Logi suits allow people to do this slightly longer than assault suits do wich is why more people chose logi over assault. If you can get the assault tactics down, you can dominate a logi at least 8/10 times.
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
320
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:03:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:The Logi itself is fine. My thread is about making the assault more appealing for its role.
Maxing out your skills in half the time it takes for a logi and not having ti do anything except aim and shoot all day isn't appealing enough? |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:04:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:The Logi itself is fine. My thread is about making the assault more appealing for its role.
Im not saying nerf logi give assaults a second equipment slot again or give them more highs/lows than logis..or make the highs/lows the same as logis but all logis cry about that...
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Here's is what's going on, assault suits are designed to be the best suit when you are using assault tactics (I'm not just talking about using cover but using hit and run tactics, guerrilla tactics etc.)
logis are good because they can dual tank and you can stand in the open and slay thousands of mercs without dying. They can carry many pieces of equipment meaning you can farm WP all day and get orbitals all by yourself without firing a single shot, or you can carry loads of nanohives so you won't run out of ammo (but let's face it, if you go through 2 nanohives in 2 minutes and only kill 5 mercs, your wasting ammo).
People like to just stand there and shoot each other until one of them pops. Logi suits allow people to do this slightly longer than assault suits do wich is why more people chose logi over assault. If you can get the assault tactics down, you can dominate a logi at least 8/10 times.
Depends on who the logi is
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:11:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Here's is what's going on, assault suits are designed to be the best suit when you are using assault tactics (I'm not just talking about using cover but using hit and run tactics, guerrilla tactics etc.)
logis are good because they can dual tank and you can stand in the open and slay thousands of mercs without dying. They can carry many pieces of equipment meaning you can farm WP all day and get orbitals all by yourself without firing a single shot, or you can carry loads of nanohives so you won't run out of ammo (but let's face it, if you go through 2 nanohives in 2 minutes and only kill 5 mercs, your wasting ammo).
People like to just stand there and shoot each other until one of them pops. Logi suits allow people to do this slightly longer than assault suits do wich is why more people chose logi over assault. If you can get the assault tactics down, you can dominate a logi at least 8/10 times. Depends on who the logi is
Let's say you are both the assault and logi.
I've been on both ends of the logis gun (in proto suits no less) my logi ak0 is great for point defence and combat medic (like taking heavy fire whilst reviving someone) whereas my ck0 is great for assaulting because it's fast and versatile (can do both point defence and point attack). If I'm using good assault tactics, I can easily out score my logi suit (if I'm assaulting with it).
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:24:00 -
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The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi
Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever)
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:31:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever)
Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open?
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
476
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:35:00 -
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isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless.
go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so.
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Suanar Daranaus
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:36:00 -
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:38:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless.
go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so.
I already did...no one agreed or argued therefor that part of the thread was done so we switched to another problem
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:42:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open?
A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover)
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless.
go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so.
Ummmm I'm giving the info, and stating my opinion
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:45:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open? A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover)
I hack the objectives to try and win cod made it a habbit s&d all the time...but anyways when I'm not in the open its always cqc near objectives
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:48:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless.
go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so.
This is now a Logi vs Assault thread, carry on with your discussion
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:48:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open? A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover) I hack the objectives to try and win cod made it a habbit s&d all the time...but anyways when I'm not in the open its always cqc near objectives
Haha cod would definitely do that to ya  and I'm decent at CQC fights but I prefer to kill my targets at a range.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:49:00 -
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This thread has been hijacked. .you can leave at any time 
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
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Cod has also made me use to cqc so I'm not used to medium and long ranges lol damn cod
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Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:54:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:This thread has been hijacked. .you can leave at any time
Lol unintentionally jacked
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1752
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:57:00 -
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Back on topic... buck up, somebody has to die easily, and a lot, and the scout fills that role just fine. |
Fire of Prometheus
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:01:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Back on topic... buck up, somebody has to die easily, and a lot, and the scout fills that role just fine.
No, scouts need a buff
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:02:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:No, scouts need a buff
I'm a scout and I approve this message!
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:07:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:No, scouts need a buff I'm a scout and I approve this message!
I'm a logi and I approve this message
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1216
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 -
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Scouts should be undetectable by scanners...and with cloak coming that should fix it greatly...then I want my crusader dropsuit ccp when??
I'm everyone's type
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
558
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:16:00 -
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You guys do realize that a scout is never supposed to fight his enemies in a 1 on 1 gunfight right? You are so going to lose that fight no matter what. Scouts are good a long range combat and stealth. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1755
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:18:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:You guys do realize that a scout is never supposed to fight his enemies in a 1 on 1 gunfight right? You are so going to lose that fight no matter what. Scouts are good a long range combat and stealth.
No, really, it never occurred to me that a scout shouldn't stand toe to toe with a heavier suit. Go figure! |
Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1443
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:19:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to... why exactly did you post? to single out that ONE fact? the logi and assault beat the scout in EVERY aspect. and you dont see me crying "nerf logis! nerf assaults!" come on dude, really?
Because scouts are doing what they are supposed to do.
Move fast, invisible to passives, but paper thin.
Logis, given they are defined as a support role, are dropping hives and droplinks, revving people, repping wounded guys.
However, you see more abusing the extra slots for a mega tank then for PG and CPU mods.
Biscuit, your class is UP because, like heavies, you are both impotent in your role, or lack a well defined role.
Logis have a well defined role, but also outperform another suit in its role.
Your right in your point that scouts aren't shouting nerf, but that can be accrued to that nothing bleeds into your niche besides ROFLscanners.
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2155
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:36:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. and what about my scout suit? your assault AND logi can tank much more have much more pg/cpu can beat me in every aspect that a scout does. but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable.
This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores) |
Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1443
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:45:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:No, scouts need a buff I'm a scout and I approve this message! I'm a logi and I approve this message
I am a everything and approve this message
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
56
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:09:00 -
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On topic. CCP care less on scouts bec majority of dust player are running med suits (more logis ofc :d)
Back on logi vs ASSault. Yes logis outperform us. But i think ccp will change logis, or buff assaults. Better save sp. You dont wanna spec into smth that have hight chances for nerf. And last. Heavy,logi,assault,scout..everyone dies very very fast bec TTK is soo low. I need like few shoots with my lovely sr to take down 1,2k heavy,1k logi etc. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
481
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:16:00 -
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so i've been off for a while. what is this thread talking about now?
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
57
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:20:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:so i've been off for a while. what is this thread talking about now?
Thread hijacked. Now its logi vs assault :] |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
482
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:21:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. and what about my scout suit? your assault AND logi can tank much more have much more pg/cpu can beat me in every aspect that a scout does. but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable. This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores)
i make very nice scores as well. plus by the "logi is better assault than assault" argument, then "assault and logi is better scout than scout."
you guys should be happy you have balanced suits. there is nothing wrong with the logi or the assault. you dont see me complaining that heavies or logis can tank more health than me. just get used to it.
i get the feeling you're under the impression that i am a bad scout. make no mistake i do very well almost every match, but that doesn't change the fact that scout suits are underpowered.
assaults and logis are fine, honestly.
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2157
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:21:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Yes logis outperform us. But i think ccp will change logis, or buff assaults. Better save sp. You dont wanna spec into smth that have hight chances for nerf.
Why not I don't have much left to spec into so really all I can do is either try new things or try and get my cpu and pg skills up to level 5. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
482
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:22:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:so i've been off for a while. what is this thread talking about now? Thread hijacked. Now its logi vs assault :]
should have seen that coming XD
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
482
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:30:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to... why exactly did you post? to single out that ONE fact? the logi and assault beat the scout in EVERY aspect. and you dont see me crying "nerf logis! nerf assaults!" come on dude, really? Because scouts are doing what they are supposed to do. Move fast, invisible to passives, but paper thin. Logis, given they are defined as a support role, are dropping hives and droplinks, revving people, repping wounded guys. However, you see more abusing the extra slots for a mega tank then for PG and CPU mods. Biscuit, your class is UP because, like heavies, you are both impotent in your role, or lack a well defined role. Logis have a well defined role, but also outperform another suit in its role. Your right in your point that scouts aren't shouting nerf, but that can be accrued to that nothing bleeds into your niche besides ROFLscanners.
you're right. but i'm used to facing classes that beat me in every aspect, so i guess that is why logis don't seem overpowered to me. all i'm saying is that simple things like increasing scout cpu/pg are constantly being overlooked while everything medium frame hold dominion over everything.
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2157
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:34:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. and what about my scout suit? your assault AND logi can tank much more have much more pg/cpu can beat me in every aspect that a scout does. but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable. This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores) i make very nice scores as well. plus by the "logi is better assault than assault" argument, then "assault and logi is better scout than scout." you guys should be happy you have balanced suits. there is nothing wrong with the logi or the assault. you dont see me complaining that heavies or logis can tank more health than me. just get used to it. i get the feeling you're under the impression that i am a bad scout. make no mistake i do very well almost every match, but that doesn't change the fact that scout suits are underpowered. assaults and logis are fine, honestly.
Idk you so I cant tell whether you're bad or not but I can tell you that scouts are good but they do need a buff (Not a big one either. More CPU and PG and a little more speed should do. Possibly one more slot too).
Instead of gimping assaults because they are better then a gimped class why not buff both and make them both balanced at the same time instead of balancing one class at a time (Also how is it that the assault suit is balanced when a suit which main purpose is to support is better at slaying then the suit made for slaying. That's not balanced in any way shape or form). Also its hard to balance scouts and heavies when they don't have all of their racial variants. (CCP is trying to balance them for what they're now and not what they will become when all the racial variants are out) |
Mejt0
Made in Poland...
57
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:35:00 -
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Now game im role look for me like this.
Battles vs:
assault vs logi
heavy vs ? (who cant kill heavy lol :d)
scouts vs snipers/redliners and backdoors |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
711
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:39:00 -
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What many don't understand is that while the Logistics class can be everything....
...They can't be everything at the same time 
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
482
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:43:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. and what about my scout suit? your assault AND logi can tank much more have much more pg/cpu can beat me in every aspect that a scout does. but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable. This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores) i make very nice scores as well. plus by the "logi is better assault than assault" argument, then "assault and logi is better scout than scout." you guys should be happy you have balanced suits. there is nothing wrong with the logi or the assault. you dont see me complaining that heavies or logis can tank more health than me. just get used to it. i get the feeling you're under the impression that i am a bad scout. make no mistake i do very well almost every match, but that doesn't change the fact that scout suits are underpowered. assaults and logis are fine, honestly. Idk you so I cant tell whether you're bad or not but I can tell you that scouts are good but they do need a buff (Not a big one either. More CPU and PG and a little more speed should do. Possibly one more slot too). Instead of gimping assaults because they are better then a gimped class why not buff both and make them both balanced at the same time instead of balancing one class at a time (Also how is it that the assault suit is balanced when a suit which main purpose is to support is better at slaying then the suit made for slaying. That's not balanced in any way shape or form). Also its hard to balance scouts and heavies when they don't have all of their racial variants. (CCP is trying to balance them for what they're now and not what they will become when all the racial variants are out)
i never said to gimp assaults. yes it sucks that logis can slay better than assaults, but that comes with the territory of being a logi. lots of slots inevitably leads to a very powerful suit. its something that you must learn to deal with. as of now the logi is the EZ mode between logi and assault. just like the AR is the EZ mode of the weapons. i wouldn't mind if it is tweaked, but that should not be top priority at the moment when other suits really do need the attention.
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
2157
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:52:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:
This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores)
i make very nice scores as well. plus by the "logi is better assault than assault" argument, then "assault and logi is better scout than scout." you guys should be happy you have balanced suits. there is nothing wrong with the logi or the assault. you dont see me complaining that heavies or logis can tank more health than me. just get used to it. i get the feeling you're under the impression that i am a bad scout. make no mistake i do very well almost every match, but that doesn't change the fact that scout suits are underpowered. assaults and logis are fine, honestly. Idk you so I cant tell whether you're bad or not but I can tell you that scouts are good but they do need a buff (Not a big one either. More CPU and PG and a little more speed should do. Possibly one more slot too). Instead of gimping assaults because they are better then a gimped class why not buff both and make them both balanced at the same time instead of balancing one class at a time (Also how is it that the assault suit is balanced when a suit which main purpose is to support is better at slaying then the suit made for slaying. That's not balanced in any way shape or form). Also its hard to balance scouts and heavies when they don't have all of their racial variants. (CCP is trying to balance them for what they're now and not what they will become when all the racial variants are out) i never said to gimp assaults. yes it sucks that logis can slay better than assaults, but that comes with the territory of being a logi. lots of slots inevitably leads to a very powerful suit. its something that you must learn to deal with. as of now the logi is the EZ mode between logi and assault. just like the AR is the EZ mode of the weapons. i wouldn't mind if it is tweaked, but that should not be top priority at the moment when other suits really do need the attention.
Really all CCP has to do is give assaults bonuses that actually contribute to being a better assault.
Examples: 1-2% extra damage per level (Or even just reduce CPU and/or PG usage on damage mods or make damage mods more effective for assaults), 5% faster reload a level, Reduced CPU and/or PG usage on light weapons, more shields/armor per level and a lot of other things. Just adding some of these small bonuses would help make assaults better at assaulting. You can also add bonuses to logis which help define their role such as increased reps with repair tool, lower cpu and/or pg usage for equipment, lessen spawn time from uplinks per level and plenty of other too. These are fixes that can be done quickly and make quite a difference. Also of course add more bonuses to scouts and heavies to help define their roles too.
I do agree that heavies and scouts need some love but there's no reason why CCP can't give them some love while giving others love too at the same time. |
crispipin
The Vanguardians
32
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:06:00 -
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Well said |
DEZKA DIABLO
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:27:00 -
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My main account got banned last night for making a similar post an exposing that the dps in this game needs to be looked at because every patch is different.
I too am a proto minja on my main an also had to skill min logi an G scout for better survivability, I use the logi as a sg scout with loads of equip an all my scout mods an I don't wish to go Ar 514, smg is enough, but it's been getting infuriating when a sg with two damage mods can't drop a med frame in two shots because after the first shot lands they just start shooting an turning without even seeing what they hit before we drop or allowing the sg rof to get a sEcond shot an too me that's TOO DAMN FAST.
Logis an assaults have no clue the pain of heavies an scouts an continue this brat spoiled childish war an it's obsurd that ccp caters to any of it before fixing frames that have been left in dust hell for months with no respec options or hope that they might one day have a FAIR unit.
It's disgusting an it's why our player base is so low |
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
486
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:27:00 -
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crispipin wrote:Well said
you're talking to me tight? if so then then thanks 
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
486
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:29:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:My main account got banned last night for making a similar post an exposing that the dps in this game needs to be looked at because every patch is different.
I too am a proto minja on my main an also had to skill min logi an G scout for better survivability, I use the logi as a sg scout with loads of equip an all my scout mods an I don't wish to go Ar 514, smg is enough, but it's been getting infuriating when a sg with two damage mods can't drop a med frame in two shots because after the first shot lands they just start shooting an turning without even seeing what they hit before we drop or allowing the sg rof to get a sEcond shot an too me that's TOO DAMN FAST.
Logis an assaults have no clue the pain of heavies an scouts an continue this brat spoiled childish war an it's obsurd that ccp caters to any of it before fixing frames that have been left in dust hell for months with no respec options or hope that they might one day have a FAIR unit.
It's disgusting an it's why our player base is so low
this guy gets it.
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1447
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:30:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Dexter307 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to... why exactly did you post? to single out that ONE fact? the logi and assault beat the scout in EVERY aspect. and you dont see me crying "nerf logis! nerf assaults!" come on dude, really? Because scouts are doing what they are supposed to do. Move fast, invisible to passives, but paper thin. Logis, given they are defined as a support role, are dropping hives and droplinks, revving people, repping wounded guys. However, you see more abusing the extra slots for a mega tank then for PG and CPU mods. Biscuit, your class is UP because, like heavies, you are both impotent in your role, or lack a well defined role. Logis have a well defined role, but also outperform another suit in its role. Your right in your point that scouts aren't shouting nerf, but that can be accrued to that nothing bleeds into your niche besides ROFLscanners. you're right. but i'm used to facing classes that beat me in every aspect, so i guess that is why logis don't seem overpowered to me. all i'm saying is that simple things like increasing scout cpu/pg are constantly being overlooked while everything medium frame hold dominion over everything.
I get you.
Hopefully scouts get hugz in this huge content release of 1.7.
May you remain valorous until then.
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