DUST Search - Assault vs. Logi Argument is pissing me off

Heimdallr69 wrote:

Fire of Prometheus wrote:

Heimdallr69 wrote:

Fire of Prometheus wrote:

Heimdallr69 wrote:

The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi

Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever)

Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open?

A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover)

I hack the objectives to try and win cod made it a habbit s&d all the time...but anyways when I'm not in the open its always cqc near objectives

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."

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Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1209	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 - [31] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Here's is what's going on, assault suits are designed to be the best suit when you are using assault tactics (I'm not just talking about using cover but using hit and run tactics, guerrilla tactics etc.) logis are good because they can dual tank and you can stand in the open and slay thousands of mercs without dying. They can carry many pieces of equipment meaning you can farm WP all day and get orbitals all by yourself without firing a single shot, or you can carry loads of nanohives so you won't run out of ammo (but let's face it, if you go through 2 nanohives in 2 minutes and only kill 5 mercs, your wasting ammo). People like to just stand there and shoot each other until one of them pops. Logi suits allow people to do this slightly longer than assault suits do wich is why more people chose logi over assault. If you can get the assault tactics down, you can dominate a logi at least 8/10 times. Depends on who the logi is I'm everyone's type
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:11:00 - [32] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Here's is what's going on, assault suits are designed to be the best suit when you are using assault tactics (I'm not just talking about using cover but using hit and run tactics, guerrilla tactics etc.) logis are good because they can dual tank and you can stand in the open and slay thousands of mercs without dying. They can carry many pieces of equipment meaning you can farm WP all day and get orbitals all by yourself without firing a single shot, or you can carry loads of nanohives so you won't run out of ammo (but let's face it, if you go through 2 nanohives in 2 minutes and only kill 5 mercs, your wasting ammo). People like to just stand there and shoot each other until one of them pops. Logi suits allow people to do this slightly longer than assault suits do wich is why more people chose logi over assault. If you can get the assault tactics down, you can dominate a logi at least 8/10 times. Depends on who the logi is Let's say you are both the assault and logi. I've been on both ends of the logis gun (in proto suits no less) my logi ak0 is great for point defence and combat medic (like taking heavy fire whilst reviving someone) whereas my ck0 is great for assaulting because it's fast and versatile (can do both point defence and point attack). If I'm using good assault tactics, I can easily out score my logi suit (if I'm assaulting with it). "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1210	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:24:00 - [33] - Quote The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi I'm everyone's type
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:29:00 - [34] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1210	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:31:00 - [35] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open? I'm everyone's type
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 476	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:35:00 - [36] - Quote isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless. go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Suanar Daranaus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 44	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:36:00 - [37] - Quote Scouts need some loving.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1210	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:38:00 - [38] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless. go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so. I already did...no one agreed or argued therefor that part of the thread was done so we switched to another problem I'm everyone's type
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1491	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:42:00 - [39] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open? A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1491	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:44:00 - [40] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless. go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so. Ummmm I'm giving the info, and stating my opinion "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1215	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:45:00 - [41] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open? A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover) I hack the objectives to try and win cod made it a habbit s&d all the time...but anyways when I'm not in the open its always cqc near objectives I'm everyone's type
Hecarim Van Hohen Unkn0wn Killers 210	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:48:00 - [42] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: isn't it hilarious how when i say i hate this assault vs logi argument, people continue to do so, IN THIS THREAD nontheless. go make another thread if you want to argue like that. if you want to talk about something constructive helping the suits that actually NEED help, then feel free to do so. This is now a Logi vs Assault thread, carry on with your discussion D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1494	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:48:00 - [43] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The logi would when cuz strafing isn't fast enough to make a difference and I'd have it built as an assault logi Ok but once you put some distance between you and the logi, he's done, you are faster and can therefore out run him. You just backpedal, take a few shots, backpedal again. If this was out in the open and there was absolutely no cover, the logi would probably win due to its ability to heavily dual tank. But if this was an urban combat area, the assault would own because it can move from cover to cover faster and is designed to deal with short fights not stand in the open and eat plasma shots (or whatever) Ehh maybe but how often are you not in the open? A large chunk of the time, I make it a habit to stay close to cover (I'm also a sniper so it's like a habit to be close to cover) I hack the objectives to try and win cod made it a habbit s&d all the time...but anyways when I'm not in the open its always cqc near objectives Haha cod would definitely do that to ya and I'm decent at CQC fights but I prefer to kill my targets at a range. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1215	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:49:00 - [44] - Quote This thread has been hijacked. .you can leave at any time I'm everyone's type
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1215	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 - [45] - Quote Cod has also made me use to cqc so I'm not used to medium and long ranges lol damn cod I'm everyone's type
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1494	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:54:00 - [46] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: This thread has been hijacked. .you can leave at any time Lol unintentionally jacked "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1752	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:57:00 - [47] - Quote Back on topic... buck up, somebody has to die easily, and a lot, and the scout fills that role just fine.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1495	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:01:00 - [48] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Back on topic... buck up, somebody has to die easily, and a lot, and the scout fills that role just fine. No, scouts need a buff "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1753	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:02:00 - [49] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: No, scouts need a buff I'm a scout and I approve this message!
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1495	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:07:00 - [50] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No, scouts need a buff I'm a scout and I approve this message! I'm a logi and I approve this message "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1216	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:14:00 - [51] - Quote Scouts should be undetectable by scanners...and with cloak coming that should fix it greatly...then I want my crusader dropsuit ccp when?? I'm everyone's type
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 558	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:16:00 - [52] - Quote You guys do realize that a scout is never supposed to fight his enemies in a 1 on 1 gunfight right? You are so going to lose that fight no matter what. Scouts are good a long range combat and stealth.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1755	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:18:00 - [53] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: You guys do realize that a scout is never supposed to fight his enemies in a 1 on 1 gunfight right? You are so going to lose that fight no matter what. Scouts are good a long range combat and stealth. No, really, it never occurred to me that a scout shouldn't stand toe to toe with a heavier suit. Go figure!
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1443	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:19:00 - [54] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Dexter307 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i mean come on. get over yourselves. so what if the logi beats the assault in almost every aspect? Worst argument ever, I try to defend logis but this makes it harder to... why exactly did you post? to single out that ONE fact? the logi and assault beat the scout in EVERY aspect. and you dont see me crying "nerf logis! nerf assaults!" come on dude, really? Because scouts are doing what they are supposed to do. Move fast, invisible to passives, but paper thin. Logis, given they are defined as a support role, are dropping hives and droplinks, revving people, repping wounded guys. However, you see more abusing the extra slots for a mega tank then for PG and CPU mods. Biscuit, your class is UP because, like heavies, you are both impotent in your role, or lack a well defined role. Logis have a well defined role, but also outperform another suit in its role. Your right in your point that scouts aren't shouting nerf, but that can be accrued to that nothing bleeds into your niche besides ROFLscanners. Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2155	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:36:00 - [55] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. and what about my scout suit? your assault AND logi can tank much more have much more pg/cpu can beat me in every aspect that a scout does. but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable. This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores)
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1443	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:45:00 - [56] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: No, scouts need a buff I'm a scout and I approve this message! I'm a logi and I approve this message I am a everything and approve this message Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... 56	Posted - 2013.11.07 23:09:00 - [57] - Quote On topic. CCP care less on scouts bec majority of dust player are running med suits (more logis ofc :d) Back on logi vs ASSault. Yes logis outperform us. But i think ccp will change logis, or buff assaults. Better save sp. You dont wanna spec into smth that have hight chances for nerf. And last. Heavy,logi,assault,scout..everyone dies very very fast bec TTK is soo low. I need like few shoots with my lovely sr to take down 1,2k heavy,1k logi etc.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 481	Posted - 2013.11.07 23:16:00 - [58] - Quote so i've been off for a while. what is this thread talking about now? How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Mejt0 Made in Poland... 57	Posted - 2013.11.07 23:20:00 - [59] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: so i've been off for a while. what is this thread talking about now? Thread hijacked. Now its logi vs assault :]
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 482	Posted - 2013.11.07 23:21:00 - [60] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Make my assault a better assault then my logi suit and I'll happily stop bitching. Until then I'll have to keep on using my logi instead of my assault since my logi does everything my assault can plus has 3 equipment spots and more tank. and what about my scout suit? your assault AND logi can tank much more have much more pg/cpu can beat me in every aspect that a scout does. but you dont see that, do you? be happy both suits are useable. This isn't about scouts. It's about logis being better assaults then assaults (I have scout suits too though. I love my shotty). Also scouts are useable its just not profitable unless you use std scouts (which is what I do and I make quite a profit + have good scores) i make very nice scores as well. plus by the "logi is better assault than assault" argument, then "assault and logi is better scout than scout." you guys should be happy you have balanced suits. there is nothing wrong with the logi or the assault. you dont see me complaining that heavies or logis can tank more health than me. just get used to it. i get the feeling you're under the impression that i am a bad scout. make no mistake i do very well almost every match, but that doesn't change the fact that scout suits are underpowered. assaults and logis are fine, honestly. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?



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