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Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1205	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:50:00 - [1] - Quote Request/Petition to implement Sharpshooter Skill similar to Assault Rifles and Sub-Machine Guns. Request/Petition to reduce current HMG base dispersion by at least 10%. Good day. Cheeseburgers.
Cosgar ParagonX 7355	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:51:00 - [2] - Quote /signed I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1010	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:50:00 - [3] - Quote Signed. My only request: the Sharpshooter Skill should be the same 5% dispersion/level for every weapon. Every automatic weapon should get the same Sharpshooter skill, or none should get it. AR and SMG do not need preferential treatment. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 362	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:00:00 - [4] - Quote Sadly there used to be a sharpshooter skill for the HMG but when the game was released it was removed :( I would love to see SS skill for the HMG.
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles 24	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:55:00 - [5] - Quote I approve 100 times ten percent just one more slight buff to the heavy and i'll never have to shoot a gun again just get behind the invincible wall from hell and let him and some suped up scouts and assaults flanking all over the place. V is for victory. H is for HOLY **** it's a heavy!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6926	Posted - 2013.11.06 06:39:00 - [6] - Quote I approve of this. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads Gû¦Gû+
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 257	Posted - 2013.11.06 06:41:00 - [7] - Quote +1, it's just so very necessary.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1217	Posted - 2013.11.06 14:09:00 - [8] - Quote This is a Page 1 topic. Bump. Cheeseburgers.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 230	Posted - 2013.11.06 14:15:00 - [9] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Sadly there used to be a sharpshooter skill for the HMG but when the game was released it was removed :( I would love to see SS skill for the HMG. That skill was different from this one. That sharpshooter was a range buff, this is an accuracy buff. The range buff was removed with good reason. Doubles ISK
Brock Samson12 WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 239	Posted - 2013.11.06 14:32:00 - [10] - Quote Bump +1 would like to see that skill applied to the hmg

xSivartx Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 5	Posted - 2013.11.06 14:49:00 - [11] - Quote I agree. Or at least have it that it achieves it's greatest accuracy quicker.
Jacques Cayton II Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.11.06 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote I agree 1+ signed
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1224	Posted - 2013.11.06 23:27:00 - [13] - Quote Bump. Cheeseburgers.
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 197	Posted - 2013.11.07 01:02:00 - [14] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Signed. My only request: the Sharpshooter Skill should be the same 5% dispersion/level for every weapon. Every automatic weapon should get the same Sharpshooter skill, or none should get it. AR and SMG do not need preferential treatment. None in my opinion. Give all weapons an ancillary skill that does something interesting and improves it's niche. In my opinion weapon bonuses shouldn't reduce weaknesses but should enhance niches.
castba Penguin's March 179	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:44:00 - [15] - Quote Signed. Only because CCP will never remove the current sharpshooter skill (at least not without tweaking the AR to compensate) as well as charge time reduction/kick reduction/explosive increase etc
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1887	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:11:00 - [16] - Quote Not a heavy but it's necessary /Signed
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1229	Posted - 2013.11.07 17:14:00 - [17] - Quote Bump. Cheeseburgers.
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 286	Posted - 2013.11.07 20:14:00 - [18] - Quote Biggest and most useless gun in the game.
Verek Locusti Closed For Business For All Mankind 7	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:07:00 - [19] - Quote /Signed, always feel sorry for heavies when I stroll away from their hmg fire.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 247	Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 - [20] - Quote Plus a slightly greater decrease in dispersion for the Assault variant. Not so much that you deal more damage at close range than the standard, but enough so that you deal more damage at a distance. If we had the Standard and Burst for 0-30m and the Assault for 20-40m (with the Assault progressively matching and then eclipsing the Standard between 20-30m), we'd have a little more variety to play. /signed

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 63	Posted - 2013.11.07 22:33:00 - [21] - Quote Hell I might as well get in on this too . Good call and I agree . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2405	Posted - 2013.11.08 00:10:00 - [22] - Quote Argh! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 72	Posted - 2013.11.08 00:31:00 - [23] - Quote So I'm an HMG user, and I actually think I'd rather just see the weapon fixed to work as intended, which would sort of clash with a sharpshooter skill. As I've always understood it, the point of the HMG was to fire a cone of bullets, filling up the circular reticle. So anyone in the cone area takes some percentage of your total DPS, meaning you can hit multiple targets if they're in that cone. This would actually make it the ultimate spray-and-pray weapon, as even as targets strafed out of the center of your reticle, they'd still be taking some damage just from your dispersion. And if CCP actually got on this, I don't know that sharpshooter would really make sense.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1233	Posted - 2013.11.08 00:49:00 - [24] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: So I'm an HMG user, and I actually think I'd rather just see the weapon fixed to work as intended, which would sort of clash with a sharpshooter skill. As I've always understood it, the point of the HMG was to fire a cone of bullets, filling up the circular reticle. So anyone in the cone area takes some percentage of your total DPS, meaning you can hit multiple targets if they're in that cone. This would actually make it the ultimate spray-and-pray weapon, as even as targets strafed out of the center of your reticle, they'd still be taking some damage just from your dispersion. And if CCP actually got on this, I don't know that sharpshooter would really make sense. I'm with you on the wide area spray thing, which is almost what we have now. The problem is that in order to make that off-target damage of any consequence the on-target DPS is going to be ridiculously OP. Now, I have thought that maybe it should be a retractable skill, meaning you could turn it on or off, but that would require a super complex series of code that is currently out of reach. Cheeseburgers.
Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 72	Posted - 2013.11.08 01:04:00 - [25] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: The problem is that in order to make that off-target damage of any consequence the on-target DPS is going to be ridiculously OP. I'm confused by what you mean. Why must this be so? Can't you just have something like 70% of your bullets go down a straight stream, and the remaining 30% fire omnidirectionally into the cone?
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 292	Posted - 2013.11.08 22:45:00 - [26] - Quote How about this: When standing it has 1000 rpm, 0-30 meter optimal range and alot of dispersion, but when you crouch (witch takes time to do, leaving the heavy vulnerable in a short time) it has 2000 rpms, 60-70 meters optimal range and little dispersion. Sorta like the brace abiltity to the Heavy bolter in Spacemarine. Because i think its the most inlogical thing i ever come across in a shooter game that a ballistic heavy weapon should be confined to CQC only. And its not even effective in CQC against skilled players because of the low damage per bullet, its not idiot proof to use it in its supposedly intended role to put it in that way.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1243	Posted - 2013.11.08 23:26:00 - [27] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: How about this: When standing it has 1000 rpm, 0-30 meter optimal range and alot of dispersion, but when you crouch (witch takes time to do, leaving the heavy vulnerable in a short time) it has 2000 rpms, 60-70 meters optimal range and little dispersion. Sorta like the brace abiltity to the Heavy bolter in Spacemarine. Because i think its the most inlogical thing i ever come across in a shooter game that a ballistic heavy weapon should be confined to CQC only. And its not even effective in CQC against skilled players because of the low damage per bullet, its not idiot proof to use it in its supposedly intended role to put it in that way. I'm with you. I definitely think that the Assault variants should have a greater dispersion reduction, to where the "cone" comes to a point at 80m or whatever they determine the max optimum range should be. From that point the "cone" becomes inverted and begins to disperse ammunition outward. Whereas, the normal variants disperse with the barrel of the weapon being the "point" of the cone, the Assault should be the exact opposite - with the barrel being greatest part of the cone and optimal being the apex. The Burst variants should have a wide, blown out cone, similar to the way they all perform now, with higher damage for a true CQC spray n' pray option. I'm not a fan of adding in additional gun physics to the crouch thing. Steadied aim and a slight dispersion buff that we get now seems on par. In a separate thread earlier, I had the thought that dispersion should be a variable like damage or splash damage with significant bonuses from MLT to Proto weapons. The thought is that, in real life, you buy better guns because of their accuracy (dispersion) over inferior models. *Other thoughts to contribute to the OP and Heavies in general: Current Sentinel Reload Bonus should be swapped for a Overheat Reduction. This would allow you to make use of the Ammo Capacity skill, without fizzling out halfway through a clip. With that change, reduce current reload time by 25%. This is still a 6 second reload for lesser skilled players and still at about 4.5-5 seconds for someone with max Reload Skill (every HMG build should get this first anyways, right?) which is where we are now. Cheeseburgers.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6978	Posted - 2013.11.09 05:02:00 - [28] - Quote Still would be sweet Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Belendur Balfour Silver Gryphons Inc DARKSTAR ARMY 18	Posted - 2013.11.09 08:20:00 - [29] - Quote First I do not use an HGM, but several of my corpmates do. From what I have seen they need a slight range increase say 5m maybe 10m, cause right now, you see an Heavy with a Proto HMG and he get gunned down by a militia assault rilfe user at 40m, I think that is kind of a problem, as I consider 40m to be pretty close. We should all fear an HMG when we get close to them, they should be able to lead the push on the enemy, cause no one wants to be on the receiving end of the HMG. I am currently not afraid to engage a heavy with an HMG unless I am at 10m or less, anything else, and well, its my scrambler rifle for the win. So I am not sure that dispersion is the problem so much as range. Also saw a post or two above that suggest different dispersion for different variants, the long range assault HMG having the least, +1 on that.
Lazy Scumbag The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 57	Posted - 2013.11.09 15:45:00 - [30] - Quote Agreed. HMG should be a death hose that outperforms AR at any range. Much bigger sp investment + fat suit = Doom

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1247	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:14:00 - [31] - Quote Belendur Balfour wrote: First I do not use an HGM, but several of my corpmates do. From what I have seen they need a slight range increase say 5m maybe 10m, cause right now, you see an Heavy with a Proto HMG and he get gunned down by a militia assault rilfe user at 40m, I think that is kind of a problem, as I consider 40m to be pretty close. We should all fear an HMG when we get close to them, they should be able to lead the push on the enemy, cause no one wants to be on the receiving end of the HMG. I am currently not afraid to engage a heavy with an HMG unless I am at 10m or less, anything else, and well, its my scrambler rifle for the win. So I am not sure that dispersion is the problem so much as range. Also saw a post or two above that suggest different dispersion for different variants, the long range assault HMG having the least, +1 on that. Actually, the range is there. The current dispersion just nullifies it. Cheeseburgers.
MCEINSTEIN08 ADAMANTIUM CORE 56	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:46:00 - [32] - Quote Approved & Signed.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 224	Posted - 2013.11.09 18:10:00 - [33] - Quote Signed
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness 45	Posted - 2013.11.09 19:59:00 - [34] - Quote The HMG is in need of a desperate buff. At any range beyond about 20M they're very underwhelming and get outclassed by Assault Rifles, Assault Scramblers and even higher level SMGs. I've had more luck using a Militia SMG at 20+ than my MH-82. At close range, where the HMG should dominate coupled with the Heavy's high eHP, they struggle against Assaults with an equal level AR and about a half the HP.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1282	Posted - 2013.11.12 18:11:00 - [35] - Quote Bump, because Heavies can't turn fast enough to see this thread go by. Cheeseburgers.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1288	Posted - 2013.11.13 15:19:00 - [36] - Quote Thanks to XxGhazbaranxX for covering/correcting this subject while paid Devs just focus on troll posts and cutesy commentary. +1 for a community member -100 for employing some useless meatbags Cheeseburgers.
Text Grant Death Firm. 220	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:17:00 - [37] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1482038#post1482038
Mia Romani Nexus Marines 45	Posted - 2013.11.14 12:41:00 - [38] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Request/Petition to implement Sharpshooter Skill similar to Assault Rifles and Sub-Machine Guns. Request/Petition to reduce current HMG base dispersion by at least 10%. Would prefer if the skill read something along the lines of: "Reduces spool-up time by 10% per level" I.e. The cone shrinks faster once you've started firing. Interstellar Crossroads
Joel II X AHPA 141	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:53:00 - [39] - Quote I always see these ideas shot down. People always just tell these posts that crouching goes a long way (which it does)
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1301	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:12:00 - [40] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I always see these ideas shot down. People always just tell these posts that crouching goes a long way (which it does) Crouching has nothing to do with dispersion. Crouching fixes kick. But, as stated previously, Ghazbaran's video proved that dispersion is not the problem. Accuracy is "spot on". (If you HMG you should watch the video. It totally changed how I perceive the weapon, use it, and in that it made me a much better user.) The Assault HMG is what most people want out of the Standard HMG, maybe a little more damage. Cheeseburgers.

137H4RGIC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 138	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:11:00 - [41] - Quote Signed
Severus Smith Caldari State 423	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:38:00 - [42] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Joel II X wrote: I always see these ideas shot down. People always just tell these posts that crouching goes a long way (which it does) Crouching has nothing to do with dispersion. Crouching fixes kick. But, as stated previously, Ghazbaran's video proved that dispersion is not the problem. Accuracy is "spot on". (If you HMG you should watch the video. It totally changed how I perceive the weapon, use it, and in that it made me a much better user.) The Assault HMG is what most people want out of the Standard HMG, maybe a little more damage. EVERY HEAVY READ THIS POST! It is not the dispersion. In fact it appears to have less dispersion than the AR. PROVEN: The HMG is as accurate as the laser rifle! - The circle reticule lies, you only hit what is dead center of the circle. - Due to the heavy kick it is very difficult to keep a target dead center. - Crouching reduces kick which makes it easier to aim Watch the video.
Reno Pechieu Algintal Core Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2013.11.15 01:57:00 - [43] - Quote I foresee the problem that this will cause a lot of people to GÇ£snipeGÇ¥ with HMG, which could lead to some pretty boring battles with them on both sides and no one wants to lose their suits to pinpoint rapidfire rain of bullets. Increasing accuracy also means the overall damage output increases wildly (although, I suspect this is what many here are hoping for) Most other multiplayer shooters force the players choose over damage or accuracy amoung other factors (Range, ammo, rate of fire and other). And Dust developers should be careful before allowing the players to create a weapon thatGÇÖs good at multitude of situation, since it can quickly render other weapons pointless. The two secrets to be a good sadist: 1) Don't tell them everything you planned.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1161	Posted - 2013.11.15 04:08:00 - [44] - Quote Reno Pechieu wrote: I foresee the problem that this will cause a lot of people to GÇ£snipeGÇ¥ with HMG, which could lead to some pretty boring battles with them on both sides and no one wants to lose their suits to pinpoint rapidfire rain of bullets. Increasing accuracy also means the overall damage output increases wildly (although, I suspect this is what many here are hoping for) I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that your fears will not come to pass, good sir. That's because since this thread was first posted, we've learned that contrary to expectations, the HMG has pin-point, laser-like, pixel perfect accuracy. And it really hampers its ability to do damage both at range and in CQC. (You think you're on target, but you're not. It only does damage if a single pixel in the center of the screen is on target.) ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Inmortal Slayer The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 0	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:02:00 - [45] - Quote Ok I surrported this at first but I am now thinking the gun just needs I slight tweek with somthing I would love to share my hmg secret to succes....... but..... I want to rule the world!!!!!!! message me if you want to know, the secret.


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