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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.09 16:14:00 -
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Belendur Balfour wrote:First I do not use an HGM, but several of my corpmates do.
From what I have seen they need a slight range increase say 5m maybe 10m, cause right now, you see an Heavy with a Proto HMG and he get gunned down by a militia assault rilfe user at 40m, I think that is kind of a problem, as I consider 40m to be pretty close. We should all fear an HMG when we get close to them, they should be able to lead the push on the enemy, cause no one wants to be on the receiving end of the HMG. I am currently not afraid to engage a heavy with an HMG unless I am at 10m or less, anything else, and well, its my scrambler rifle for the win.
So I am not sure that dispersion is the problem so much as range.
Also saw a post or two above that suggest different dispersion for different variants, the long range assault HMG having the least, +1 on that.
Actually, the range is there. The current dispersion just nullifies it.
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MCEINSTEIN08
ADAMANTIUM CORE
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Posted - 2013.11.09 17:46:00 -
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Approved & Signed. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.09 18:10:00 -
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Signed |
Megaman Trigger
Knights of Eternal Darkness
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Posted - 2013.11.09 19:59:00 -
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The HMG is in need of a desperate buff.
At any range beyond about 20M they're very underwhelming and get outclassed by Assault Rifles, Assault Scramblers and even higher level SMGs. I've had more luck using a Militia SMG at 20+ than my MH-82. At close range, where the HMG should dominate coupled with the Heavy's high eHP, they struggle against Assaults with an equal level AR and about a half the HP. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.12 18:11:00 -
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Bump, because Heavies can't turn fast enough to see this thread go by.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:19:00 -
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Thanks to XxGhazbaranxX for covering/correcting this subject while paid Devs just focus on troll posts and cutesy commentary.
+1 for a community member
-100 for employing some useless meatbags
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 09:17:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1482038#post1482038 |
Mia Romani
Nexus Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:41:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Request/Petition to implement Sharpshooter Skill similar to Assault Rifles and Sub-Machine Guns.
Request/Petition to reduce current HMG base dispersion by at least 10%.
Would prefer if the skill read something along the lines of: "Reduces spool-up time by 10% per level"
I.e. The cone shrinks faster once you've started firing.
Interstellar Crossroads
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Joel II X
AHPA
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:53:00 -
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I always see these ideas shot down. People always just tell these posts that crouching goes a long way (which it does) |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:12:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I always see these ideas shot down. People always just tell these posts that crouching goes a long way (which it does)
Crouching has nothing to do with dispersion.
Crouching fixes kick.
But, as stated previously, Ghazbaran's video proved that dispersion is not the problem.
Accuracy is "spot on".
(If you HMG you should watch the video. It totally changed how I perceive the weapon, use it, and in that it made me a much better user.)
The Assault HMG is what most people want out of the Standard HMG, maybe a little more damage.
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137H4RGIC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:11:00 -
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Signed |
Severus Smith
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:38:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Joel II X wrote:I always see these ideas shot down. People always just tell these posts that crouching goes a long way (which it does) Crouching has nothing to do with dispersion. Crouching fixes kick. But, as stated previously, Ghazbaran's video proved that dispersion is not the problem. Accuracy is "spot on". (If you HMG you should watch the video. It totally changed how I perceive the weapon, use it, and in that it made me a much better user.) The Assault HMG is what most people want out of the Standard HMG, maybe a little more damage. EVERY HEAVY READ THIS POST!
It is not the dispersion. In fact it appears to have less dispersion than the AR. PROVEN: The HMG is as accurate as the laser rifle!
- The circle reticule lies, you only hit what is dead center of the circle.
- Due to the heavy kick it is very difficult to keep a target dead center.
- Crouching reduces kick which makes it easier to aim
Watch the video. |
Reno Pechieu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:57:00 -
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I foresee the problem that this will cause a lot of people to GÇ£snipeGÇ¥ with HMG, which could lead to some pretty boring battles with them on both sides and no one wants to lose their suits to pinpoint rapidfire rain of bullets.
Increasing accuracy also means the overall damage output increases wildly (although, I suspect this is what many here are hoping for)
Most other multiplayer shooters force the players choose over damage or accuracy amoung other factors (Range, ammo, rate of fire and other). And Dust developers should be careful before allowing the players to create a weapon thatGÇÖs good at multitude of situation, since it can quickly render other weapons pointless.
The two secrets to be a good sadist:
1) Don't tell them everything you planned.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:08:00 -
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Reno Pechieu wrote:I foresee the problem that this will cause a lot of people to GÇ£snipeGÇ¥ with HMG, which could lead to some pretty boring battles with them on both sides and no one wants to lose their suits to pinpoint rapidfire rain of bullets.
Increasing accuracy also means the overall damage output increases wildly (although, I suspect this is what many here are hoping for)
I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that your fears will not come to pass, good sir.
That's because since this thread was first posted, we've learned that contrary to expectations, the HMG has pin-point, laser-like, pixel perfect accuracy. And it really hampers its ability to do damage both at range and in CQC. (You think you're on target, but you're not. It only does damage if a single pixel in the center of the screen is on target.)
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Inmortal Slayer
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.11.16 10:02:00 -
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Ok I surrported this at first but I am now thinking the gun just needs I slight tweek with somthing I would love to share my hmg secret to succes....... but..... I want to rule the world!!!!!!! message me if you want to know, the secret. |
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