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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1194
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:14:00 -
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Hmm one issue with this, hidden alliances can make it difficult for teams to know if an enemy is using non-alliance ringers or not.
TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
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Raymond Yeoman
DUST University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:20:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:As a whole, rules seem fair. I do like the indication that PFC is for practice.
I guess my one standing concern is that corps in Top Men have regularly branched out into MH for periods of time, and then receded back to PFC for further practice. And this cycle has continued for a long while. So if Top Men takes space in MH, we'd hate to be forced to give up our PFC district. We've actively used it as much as possible since PFC really first existed.
Does that rule apply by corp or by alliance? People know that our PFC district is heavily trafficked by our entire alliance, but we generally won't place it with a corp who is actively taking space in MH. For example, we had it in US TZ for a while, but our EU TZ needed practice and were dying for things to do, so we moved it to an EU TZ corp. In the future, it might find itself moving to another corp should a corp be able to use it better. This sort of use of a PFC district seems quite reasonable, as indeed, the point is that corps that need a place to practice for PC have one, I see no problem with you continuing this. Maybe at some point in the future, if say most of the corps in your alliance hold districts elsewhere, and there are other corps on the waiting list to get a PFC district, you might want to hand the district over to those who need it more.
What is pfc? I'm new. |
Q Starfighter
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
11
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Posted - 2013.11.07 16:19:00 -
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Djinn Kujo...
I sent you an email from my EVE account regarding the D3M3NT3D M1NDZ PFC district. Here is the forum thread concerning this district as well ....
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118888&p=4
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XEROO COOL
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
101
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Posted - 2013.11.07 16:26:00 -
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Raymond Yeoman wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:As a whole, rules seem fair. I do like the indication that PFC is for practice.
I guess my one standing concern is that corps in Top Men have regularly branched out into MH for periods of time, and then receded back to PFC for further practice. And this cycle has continued for a long while. So if Top Men takes space in MH, we'd hate to be forced to give up our PFC district. We've actively used it as much as possible since PFC really first existed.
Does that rule apply by corp or by alliance? People know that our PFC district is heavily trafficked by our entire alliance, but we generally won't place it with a corp who is actively taking space in MH. For example, we had it in US TZ for a while, but our EU TZ needed practice and were dying for things to do, so we moved it to an EU TZ corp. In the future, it might find itself moving to another corp should a corp be able to use it better. This sort of use of a PFC district seems quite reasonable, as indeed, the point is that corps that need a place to practice for PC have one, I see no problem with you continuing this. Maybe at some point in the future, if say most of the corps in your alliance hold districts elsewhere, and there are other corps on the waiting list to get a PFC district, you might want to hand the district over to those who need it more. What is pfc? I'm new. PLANET FIGHT CLUB ... basically a training ground for Public Conquest to help get new corps adjusted to the tactics in PC.
Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face!
(Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
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Soraya Xel
Violent Intervention Top Men.
743
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Posted - 2013.11.07 18:08:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Hmm one issue with this, hidden alliances can make it difficult for teams to know if an enemy is using non-alliance ringers or not.
Not really. If they aren't actually listed as being part of the same alliance on CCP's server, they're a non-alliance ringer, and they're cheating. Very simple.
Top Men. - The DUST Arm of the CFC
www.dust-gents.com
Recruiting corporations and players now!
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Q Starfighter
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
11
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Posted - 2013.11.07 18:19:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Hmm one issue with this, hidden alliances can make it difficult for teams to know if an enemy is using non-alliance ringers or not. Not really. If they aren't actually listed as being part of the same alliance on CCP's server, they're a non-alliance ringer, and they're cheating. Very simple.
Agreed if they will be using non official alliance members then it would fall under the same rules as ringers and not alliance members.
But some still do not understand that Alliance members are not ringers and are allowed in PFC under both old and new rules.
See this thread for a perfect example that is going on now ..
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1473437#post1473437
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Skipper Jones
Pradox One Proficiency V.
930
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:29:00 -
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a lot better than Cubs rules :/
"You are an inspiration for condoms and birth control"
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stateproperty07
Unkn0wn Killers
119
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:33:00 -
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Q Starfighter wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Hmm one issue with this, hidden alliances can make it difficult for teams to know if an enemy is using non-alliance ringers or not. Not really. If they aren't actually listed as being part of the same alliance on CCP's server, they're a non-alliance ringer, and they're cheating. Very simple. Agreed if they will be using non official alliance members then it would fall under the same rules as ringers and not alliance members. But some still do not understand that Alliance members are not ringers and are allowed in PFC under both old and new rules. See this thread for a perfect example that is going on now .. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1473437#post1473437
talk about beating a dead horse, last night we fielded a full team of unknown vs demented mindz, you still lost, stop being so pathetic |
Q Starfighter
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
12
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:53:00 -
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stateproperty07 wrote:Q Starfighter wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Hmm one issue with this, hidden alliances can make it difficult for teams to know if an enemy is using non-alliance ringers or not. Not really. If they aren't actually listed as being part of the same alliance on CCP's server, they're a non-alliance ringer, and they're cheating. Very simple. Agreed if they will be using non official alliance members then it would fall under the same rules as ringers and not alliance members. But some still do not understand that Alliance members are not ringers and are allowed in PFC under both old and new rules. See this thread for a perfect example that is going on now .. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1473437#post1473437 talk about beating a dead horse, last night we fielded a full team of unknown vs demented mindz, you still lost, stop being so pathetic
This has nothing to do with you beating us in last nights battle ... this ahs to do with PFC rules ... PFC is used to train for PC.
Never once did I cry that you beat us last night. Never once did I say you didn't beat us last night... All I said was you are flipping the district and claiming you have been given the right to do so. I am asking for clarification from Djinn Kujo as to the validity of this claim and why we where not notified of this from them and why (what rule did we break?) It cant be that TSOLE was there with us because they are in a formal alliance with us and the PFC district was intended to be an alliance training ground.
No whinnying or crying there simple questions asked of the powers that be and not the attacking corp. |
Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
96
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:40:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:Once formalities are done I would like to welcome the new residents of PFC District 15 Planetary Retaliation Organization...
Also To Demented Minds I hear by wave all amnesty for unknown from a team of 16 Demented mindz. If you field a team of 16 of your own you are welcome to try and take our district with no repercussions or anon's present as long as we own the district.
This is the best kind of training you will receive ... live training.
-Egypt
Director of Get sum and Get it done.
Pirate radio host
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Raymond Yeoman
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.11.08 09:21:00 -
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XEROO COOL wrote:Raymond Yeoman wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:As a whole, rules seem fair. I do like the indication that PFC is for practice.
I guess my one standing concern is that corps in Top Men have regularly branched out into MH for periods of time, and then receded back to PFC for further practice. And this cycle has continued for a long while. So if Top Men takes space in MH, we'd hate to be forced to give up our PFC district. We've actively used it as much as possible since PFC really first existed.
Does that rule apply by corp or by alliance? People know that our PFC district is heavily trafficked by our entire alliance, but we generally won't place it with a corp who is actively taking space in MH. For example, we had it in US TZ for a while, but our EU TZ needed practice and were dying for things to do, so we moved it to an EU TZ corp. In the future, it might find itself moving to another corp should a corp be able to use it better. This sort of use of a PFC district seems quite reasonable, as indeed, the point is that corps that need a place to practice for PC have one, I see no problem with you continuing this. Maybe at some point in the future, if say most of the corps in your alliance hold districts elsewhere, and there are other corps on the waiting list to get a PFC district, you might want to hand the district over to those who need it more. What is pfc? I'm new. PLANET FIGHT CLUB ... basically a training ground for Public Conquest to help get new corps adjusted to the tactics in PC.
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SoLJae
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
480
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:06:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:don't forget Nyain san and WTF Academy who have combined to use their districts a total of 0 times in months...
o wait yet another double standard?
Yeah, I'd love to see AE try to evict Nyain San ;-)))
That would be a true barometer of their intent to officiate justly the regulations of PFC and it will never happen for obvious reasons. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
520
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:54:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:Update:
- Attacks on a PFC district: all clones sent to a district should be eligible for a re-attack without a flipping of the district (example: Corporation A attacks Corporation B on PFC which is a cargo hub, if you can send 300 clones or want to push it further to 449 max, go for it to get the necessary games in, just remember, DO NOT flip the district) -- If a district is flipped, the corporation flipping the district has 48 hours to either turn the district over or cause direct interference with AE at this time. To the corporation that loses a district, message me in game for further details.
It's been over 48 hours. IF you want to run it properly then run it properly.... |
Vice Galloza
NECROM0NGERS
13
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:50:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:Update:
- Referring to the alliance 'Top Men." - I understand your alliance partakes a lot in your PFC battles and AE discussed as long as one corporation in the alliance utilizes a district with alliance support, that is OK. The idea is, if you want your other corporations to hold districts on PFC, to have enough PFC ready teams through all your corporations to do so.
- Attacks on a PFC district: all clones sent to a district should be eligible for a re-attack without a flipping of the district (example: Corporation A attacks Corporation B on PFC which is a cargo hub, if you can send 300 clones or want to push it further to 449 max, go for it to get the necessary games in, just remember, DO NOT flip the district) -- If a district is flipped, the corporation flipping the district has 48 hours to either turn the district over or cause direct interference with AE at this time. To the corporation that loses a district, message me in game for further details.
Note: I understand there are a lot of 'what ifs' in the original post, I will keep updating this thread as needed to clarify rules and regulations on PFC. If at any time, the community would like to see changes, please post ideas here or message us so we can discuss the prospective changes.
Overall, remember: we are trying to get new faces in PFC, this doesn't mean we can't expand PFC further if PFC becomes popular again and the right amount of the community supports the action. I am sure a lot of people feel like AE is stepping on your toes, but it's for the longevity of this game especially since PS4 is about to be released. Good to know kujo, thanks for the info I will keep touch with you |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
110
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:08:00 -
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CPL Bloodstone wrote:I will be initiating attacks on PFC for training. I am the new Training Director for STB. I will be using these matches for training purposes only and hope to get some good fights! If anyone wants to set up some matches with me, please send me an email in game. I just ask you meet me halfway on the clone pack (18 million) and we can have some good, low stress pc fun! Get our guys trained and ready for the big fights.
CPL Bloodstone STB Training Director
Did i just hear a STB asking to be meet half way on ISK? Given your past passive ISK gain from the districts you held I believe you're in a much better position then the majority to fund the full 36million. Good luck on your training. |
Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
235
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:32:00 -
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Concerning our attack order on Chacales of District 5,
Above all the Xer Cloud Consortium is looking for good fights which all players new and old have access to partake in if they can be the fastest to scramble for opening slots in PC battles. Corporate recruitment is founded on a fully open basis, and once processed through the system all members are granted director privileges. This entails that a person my randomly choose to place an attack order on the district. That is what transpired last night. At least for myself, I intend to honor that attack order and show up to do battle. However, our organizational structure is purposefully chaotic, so we may simply run BPO all the way to proto fittings simply for grins, and our tactical abilities range from non-existent to brutal; I won't even know.
I do extend a open welcome to have any of your spies or consultants join or forces for TK prerogatives. Applications for 5300 available positions should reopen toward midnight EST. We are all honest scumbags; see you there Ancient Exiles.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
235
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:37:00 -
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We are ZERg squads, so prepare to have your system shaken up. Just a friendly heads up.
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Jadu Wen
Xer Cloud Consortium
139
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:26:00 -
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Hey Jadek, do you think the silence is saying something?
GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê
GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê
GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
235
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:07:00 -
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Well, it's official. We have boosted capacity to 5300 merc slots and applications are pouring in. Welcome to a new age ladies and gentlemen.
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Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
96
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:14:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Well, it's official. We have boosted capacity to 5300 merc slots and applications are pouring in. Welcome to a new age ladies and gentlemen. Curiously whats going to stop someone from applying and raiding the wallet and leaving? as your whole corp gets a directorship right?
Director of Get sum and Get it done.
Pirate radio host
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
235
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:17:00 -
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Egypt Musk wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Well, it's official. We have boosted capacity to 5300 merc slots and applications are pouring in. Welcome to a new age ladies and gentlemen. Curiously whats going to stop someone from applying and raiding the wallet and leaving? as your whole corp gets a directorship right? The point is to raid the wallet when you enter our corp. This is an experimental initiative to turn the corp wallet into a competitive meta game to see who steals it first. With 95% tax rate, the wallet rebounds significantly fast. The process is wash rinse repeat from there.
Why not come check it out.?
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Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
96
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Posted - 2013.11.09 00:03:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:Egypt Musk wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:Well, it's official. We have boosted capacity to 5300 merc slots and applications are pouring in. Welcome to a new age ladies and gentlemen. Curiously whats going to stop someone from applying and raiding the wallet and leaving? as your whole corp gets a directorship right? The point is to raid the wallet when you enter our corp. This is an experimental initiative to turn the corp wallet into a competitive meta game to see who steals it first. With 95% tax rate, the wallet rebounds significantly fast. The process is wash rinse repeat from there. Why not come check it out.? If you think im joing anything with a 95% tax rate when i rake in the isk in pure bpo's ur crazy I avg. +15m isk on a non pc post cap (ambush) night ... so ya
Director of Get sum and Get it done.
Pirate radio host
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Zombie Supreme
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
127
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:41:00 -
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OK Kujo, and/or AE. You do not obey your own rules. You don't give s*iT about PFC. Pradox can keep their district, because you "talked to Mike" and the 6-7% of Molden Health he owns apparently doesn't matter, but Warravens have been warned BC they own districts near PFC (which they got without using any PFC clones). Grupo has been warned BC they have districts near PFC, but Grupo had districts around PFC before PFC happened. We bought our PFC district from them when PFC was being formed, because they had extra.
Well, I thought you might actually do the tiniest bit of good on PFC, but now that is apparently clear that will never happen.
I know how to destroy you, and the information is free to those for all that need it, and unlike marauder's empty threats of wiping us off of PC, I'm not bluffing. |
Zatara Rought
Imperfects
1542
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:49:00 -
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Zombie Supreme wrote:OK Kujo, and/or AE. You do not obey your own rules. You don't give s*iT about PFC. Pradox can keep their district, because you "talked to Mike" and the 6-7% of Molden Health he owns apparently doesn't matter, but Warravens have been warned BC they own districts near PFC (which they got without using any PFC clones). Grupo has been warned BC they have districts near PFC, but Grupo had districts around PFC before PFC happened. We bought our PFC district from them when PFC was being formed, because they had extra.
Well, I thought you might actually do the tiniest bit of good on PFC, but now that is apparently clear that will never happen.
A grave charge. If true, and I implore the community to pay attention to Oddelulf III, then the community must concur on how best to rectify blatant hypocrisy.
That's Masternader to you scrub.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1666
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:12:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Zombie Supreme wrote:OK Kujo, and/or AE. You do not obey your own rules. You don't give s*iT about PFC. Pradox can keep their district, because you "talked to Mike" and the 6-7% of Molden Health he owns apparently doesn't matter, but Warravens have been warned BC they own districts near PFC (which they got without using any PFC clones). Grupo has been warned BC they have districts near PFC, but Grupo had districts around PFC before PFC happened. We bought our PFC district from them when PFC was being formed, because they had extra.
Well, I thought you might actually do the tiniest bit of good on PFC, but now that is apparently clear that will never happen. A grave charge. If true, and I implore the community to pay attention to Oddelulf III, then the community must concur on how best to rectify blatant hypocrisy. Let a 3rd party like the IMPS run the show?
CEO of The Corporate Raiders, We're still recruiting...
Level 1 Forum Warrior
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Zatara Rought
Imperfects
1550
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:57:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Zombie Supreme wrote:OK Kujo, and/or AE. You do not obey your own rules. You don't give s*iT about PFC. Pradox can keep their district, because you "talked to Mike" and the 6-7% of Molden Health he owns apparently doesn't matter, but Warravens have been warned BC they own districts near PFC (which they got without using any PFC clones). Grupo has been warned BC they have districts near PFC, but Grupo had districts around PFC before PFC happened. We bought our PFC district from them when PFC was being formed, because they had extra.
Well, I thought you might actually do the tiniest bit of good on PFC, but now that is apparently clear that will never happen. A grave charge. If true, and I implore the community to pay attention to Oddelulf III, then the community must concur on how best to rectify blatant hypocrisy. Let a 3rd party like the IMPS run the show?
The caliber of quality isn't easy to find. I'm looking, but it's gonna take awhile to unearth it, and then filter it. There are a lot of people who have the talent to compete, but I respect their loyalty to the smaller corps they hail from regardless of the weaker links that prevent them from exhibiting the best they have to give.
That's Masternader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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RevoL Frog
The Generals EoN.
228
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:46:00 -
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Kujo, are you going to address my previous post? |
Zatara Rought
Imperfects
1580
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Posted - 2013.11.09 11:58:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:Kujo, are you going to address my previous post?
If you want it flipped Revol skype me the timer and we can discuss it.
That's Masternader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
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DJINN Kujo
Ancient Exiles
663
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:03:00 -
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@ The Generals: hey sorry guys been busy with work, I told my corp today or rather yesterday for you all (Friday) to not initiate attacks at this time as I am still talking with corps on PFC to figure out what districts are legit or not. I understand your frustration in this matter and will add a list of directors beneath here to talk to in my absence till Sunday
@ Zombie Supreme: We have talked to Mike briefly, he said he still has newer players he wants to train but also told me if it comes down to it, he is ok with giving up the district, and as noted in the OP; there is a two week grace period for corps both holding a district with PFC and outside of PFC
- Further review: what are thoughts of turning Oddelulf into new corps only and maybe having a smaller planet maybe like Bosena for corps holding districts within PFC and outside of PFC? This way, they could still battle each other for 'training' for the new players inside the corp, and also it renders the idea of not having to make a so called 'training corp' for some of those corps also?
--- Just an idea, would really like feedback on the idea, I do understand moving to Bosena would evict some corps out of Bosena, in which case we need to come to a resolution of moving these corps. * Personally, I wouldn't mind giving up AE districts to those corps if they were down for the idea; again just a thought
Ancient Exiles, CEO
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godhands9
Ancient Exiles
129
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:19:00 -
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Very good work here.Love what I see.Stir the pot some more, and then it will boil. |
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