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Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 142	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:47:00 - [1] - Quote It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! MD is way over powered. For example, I'm an assault AR user. But today I went to pick up an MD. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 4m radius (8m diameter(in a circle people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon increases it by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is ammo, but carry some hives and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. Gÿé
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1844	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:50:00 - [2] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! MD is way over powered. For example, I'm an assault AR user. But today I went to pick up an MD. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 4m radius (8m diameter(in a circle people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon increases it by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is ammo, but carry some hives and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. This comes up quite a bit. I see them used a lot. I wonder why everybody doesn't go 33/4?
Void Echo Federal Ground Deployment 2086	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:51:00 - [3] - Quote is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 142	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:53:00 - [4] - Quote Void Echo wrote: is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know You misunderstand I'm not complaining that is doesn't, I'm complaining that it does! And it's not running CC. I't slaughtering the crowd! Gÿé
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1633	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:54:00 - [5] - Quote MD AOE AR everything Forum Warrior Level 1 The Master of the Nova Knifes and The Spammer of the Scanner The Scary Scout
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1633	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:55:00 - [6] - Quote MD AOE AR everything Forum Warrior Level 1 The Master of the Nova Knifes and The Spammer of the Scanner The Scary Scout
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 615	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:55:00 - [7] - Quote Please tell me how the MD needs to be nerfed. It seems perfectly balanced to me Slow Travel Time Small Blast radius until upgraded to level 5 Half a clip to kill a starter fit (unless using damage mods and/or prof. skills) Really low ammo (18 rounds total) Does jack all against shield tankers without flux grenades Terrible ADS Ability to be buttplugged by SCR and AR users before first shot even travels to the target (in mid range combat) Awful weapon when forced to aim up or in terrain obsticals such as hills and mountains) Only effective against scouts and armor tankers This thread is disused as a QQ thread A no skill scrub weapon? You are an ASSault that uses ASSault Rifles? Try aiming up with the weapon and get back to me on that one. PS: Obvious troll is obvious Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Void Echo Federal Ground Deployment 2086	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:56:00 - [8] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Void Echo wrote: is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know You misunderstand I'm not complaining that is doesn't, I'm complaining that it does! And it's not running CC. I't slaughtering the crowd! the MD is perfect where it is, the last nerf they did everyone complained that the MD was the equivalent of the current flaylock, thus everyone stopped using them and went back to the assault riffle. be glad that there are people with acctuall intelligence not to skill into the brainless grunt AR Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Cosgar ParagonX 7266	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:56:00 - [9] - Quote Try fighting people from below and see how OP it is. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 617	Posted - 2013.11.05 02:59:00 - [10] - Quote Void Echo wrote: is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know Exactly. Just because it is not an AR doesn't mean that it needs to be weak. If Mass Drivers are so OP in your opinion then stop staking armor plates just use shield extenders. It is designed to be super effective against armor, so it's gonna be super effective against armor, that's just it doing its job (This is directed at OP, not you) Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)

DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2369	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:00:00 - [11] - Quote No, MD's are finally balanced. Slaps hand No touchies! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 308	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:03:00 - [12] - Quote Here we go again... Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 142	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:03:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Please tell me how the MD needs to be nerfed. It seems perfectly balanced to me Slow Travel Time Small Blast radius until upgraded to level 5 Half a clip to kill a starter fit (unless using damage mods and/or prof. skills) Really low ammo (18 rounds total) Does jack all against shield tankers without flux grenades Terrible ADS Ability to be buttplugged by SCR and AR users before first shot even travels to the target (in mid range combat) Awful weapon when forced to aim up or in terrain obsticals such as hills and mountains) Only effective against scouts and armor tankers This thread is disused as a QQ thread A no skill scrub weapon? You are an ASSault that uses ASSault Rifles? Try aiming up with the weapon and get back to me on that one. PS: Obvious troll is obvious You serious? Small blast radius? It's blast radius is so large that it mitigates the slow travel time. Like i said, carry a nano with you and your ammo troubles are sorted. And yeah I use AR but so does everyone else. An AR fighting an AR kinda cancels out the OPness... My point was its a no skill weapon, at lease with the AR I have to aim at the head of a moving target, with a MD all i have to do is get the high ground and shoot in the correct direction! Gÿé
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2017	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:03:00 - [14] - Quote MD is fine. Every weapon can do amazingly when "used properly". Such a done debate. No.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2147	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:04:00 - [15] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Void Echo wrote: is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know You misunderstand I'm not complaining that is doesn't, I'm complaining that it does! And it's not running CC. I't slaughtering the crowd! the MD is perfect where it is, the last nerf they did everyone complained that the MD was the equivalent of the current flaylock, thus everyone stopped using them and went back to the assault riffle. be glad that there are people with acctuall intelligence not to skill into the brainless grunt AR Actually the MD was UP because of the horrible hit detection it had. After the hit detection for the MD was improved it became pretty good.
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 144	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:10:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know Exactly. Just because it is not an AR doesn't mean that it needs to be weak. If Mass Drivers are so OP in your opinion then stop staking armor plates just use shield extenders. It is designed to be super effective against armor, so it's gonna be super effective against armor, that's just it doing its job (This is directed at OP, not you) OK how does this sound, keep the MD where it is stats n' all. But make it so you have to invest a bit more SP into it before it has such an enormous payout? But again, this isn't a QQ thread, like I said Iv enjoyed using it today, its very easy to get kills with! If nothing is changed i will still enjoy using it! But from a balance prospective, the 12k SP iv put into the MD compared to the millions of SP in AR seems a bit stupid. Gÿé
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 617	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:13:00 - [17] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: You serious? Small blast radius? It's blast radius is so large that it mitigates the slow travel time. Like i said, carry a nano with you and your ammo troubles are sorted. And yeah I use AR but so does everyone else. An AR fighting an AR kinda cancels out the OPness... My point was its a no skill weapon, at lease with the AR I have to aim at the head of a moving target, with a MD all i have to do is get the high ground and shoot in the correct direction! You cannont aim at the ground and expect to win against shield tankers, heavies, and people who aren't directly infront of you The splash damage and blast radii does not migrate with travel time, it's just that smart people aim where the person is going to be instead of where they are. Small blast radius until upgraded to level 5, yeah it's true. And finally, it's a crowd control weapon. Just like the LR it is supposed to be good at killing massive blobs of people, the MDs tradeoff is the ineffectiveness at long ranges. Just like the LR is devastating at long ranges but is horribly bad in CQC. Everything has it's drawbacks in this game, except ARs. I see no drawback with them Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Void Echo Federal Ground Deployment 2091	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:17:00 - [18] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Void Echo wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Void Echo wrote: is a crowd control weapon, working as intended, not everything that's not the ar is meant to shoot beebees out of the barrel you know You misunderstand I'm not complaining that is doesn't, I'm complaining that it does! And it's not running CC. I't slaughtering the crowd! the MD is perfect where it is, the last nerf they did everyone complained that the MD was the equivalent of the current flaylock, thus everyone stopped using them and went back to the assault riffle. be glad that there are people with acctuall intelligence not to skill into the brainless grunt AR Actually the MD was UP because of the horrible hit detection it had. After the hit detection for the MD was improved it became pretty good. and now that its a weapon able to compete with the AR scrubs want it nerfed again. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Cosgar ParagonX 7268	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:18:00 - [19] - Quote It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! AR is way over powered. For example, I'm a logi MD user. But today I went to pick up an AR. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 60m effective range (2/3 of an American football fiield(with no kick people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon decreases kick by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is aiming, but turn on aim-assist and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 145	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:21:00 - [20] - Quote Cosgar wrote: It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! AR is way over powered. For example, I'm a logi MD user. But today I went to pick up an AR. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 60m effective range (2/3 of an American football fiield(with no kick people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon decreases kick by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is aiming, but turn on aim-assist and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. Ill just C&P this... posted this a bit before your troll but i don't think you took the time to read everything. OK how does this sound, keep the MD where it is stats n' all. But make it so you have to invest a bit more SP into it before it has such an enormous payout? But again, this isn't a QQ thread, like I said Iv enjoyed using it today, its very easy to get kills with! If nothing is changed i will still enjoy using it! But from a balance prospective, the 12k SP iv put into the MD compared to the millions of SP in AR seems a bit stupid. Gÿé

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 617	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:24:00 - [21] - Quote Void Echo wrote: and now that its a weapon able to compete with the AR scrubs want it nerfed again. Hey look, the one weapon we both agree on it not needing a nerf. But lets stay on topic here The MD is one of the few counters to ARs, and without them we'd basically just be playing a futuristic version of CoD where everyone uses ASSault suits and ASSault Rifles and do nothing but run and gun each other down while spamming Cores like a scumsickle. I'm honestly not sure if I should call this game Grenadier 514 or CoD514, but either way, it's pretty F***ed up atm Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 311	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:26:00 - [22] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Cosgar wrote: It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! AR is way over powered. For example, I'm a logi MD user. But today I went to pick up an AR. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 60m effective range (2/3 of an American football fiield(with no kick people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon decreases kick by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is aiming, but turn on aim-assist and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. Ill just C&P this... posted this a bit before your troll but i don't think you took the time to read everything. OK how does this sound, keep the MD where it is stats n' all. But make it so you have to invest a bit more SP into it before it has such an enormous payout? But again, this isn't a QQ thread, like I said Iv enjoyed using it today, its very easy to get kills with! If nothing is changed i will still enjoy using it! But from a balance prospective, the 12k SP iv put into the MD compared to the millions of SP in AR seems a bit stupid. Your argument can be made for any other weapon. For Example: Change the MD and put Forge Gun. The militia forge gun can insta-kill anyone in one hit. EVERY TIME. Let's just make you have to put 600k SP into a skill just to be able to use the militia FG. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Cosgar ParagonX 7269	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:28:00 - [23] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Cosgar wrote: It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! AR is way over powered. For example, I'm a logi MD user. But today I went to pick up an AR. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 60m effective range (2/3 of an American football fiield(with no kick people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon decreases kick by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is aiming, but turn on aim-assist and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. Ill just C&P this... posted this a bit before your troll but i don't think you took the time to read everything. OK how does this sound, keep the MD where it is stats n' all. But make it so you have to invest a bit more SP into it before it has such an enormous payout? But again, this isn't a QQ thread, like I said Iv enjoyed using it today, its very easy to get kills with! If nothing is changed i will still enjoy using it! But from a balance prospective, the 12k SP iv put into the MD compared to the millions of SP in AR seems a bit stupid. No need to read the rest of what you feel would "balance" the MD, or any niche weapon you decided to QQ about by not QQing about it. Let me explain how this kind of mentality has ruined Dust 514. I remember earlier builds where scouts, while being paper thin were strafing gods, able to leap around acrobatically, chipping away at you- NERFED! Heavies used to flat out outgun anyone dumb enough to face them head on- NERFED! Tanks could wreck an entire map if nobody on the opposing end had any AV above MLT swarms- NERFED! See where I'm going with this? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2243	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:28:00 - [24] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! MD is way over powered. For example, I'm an assault AR user. But today I went to pick up an MD. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. First game I go 15/5 Second game I go 33/4! Q: I have literally just picked the thing up, I have NO skill in using this crap so why am I so good at it? Why am I getting all of these kills? A: Range defiantly is the problem. 4m radius (8m diameter(in a circle people!) And this is the standard weapon btw, it only go's up from here on, and the main skill for the weapon increases it by 5% per level too! With this sort of range you don't need worry about body shots, you don't have to worry about seeing the enemy, honestly, I killed 2 people by accident. The only thing you have to worry about is ammo, but carry some hives and your sorted. So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! But seriously CCP, it needs a nerf, or everything else needs a buff. EDIT: I'm just going to put this here as a lot of you seem to have missed the FIRST LINE OF THE POST! Quote: OK how does this sound, keep the MD where it is stats n' all. But make it so you have to invest a bit more SP into it before it has such an enormous payout? But again, this isn't a QQ thread, like I said Iv enjoyed using it today, its very easy to get kills with! If nothing is changed i will still enjoy using it! But from a balance prospective, the 12k SP iv put into the MD compared to the millions of SP in AR seems a bit stupid. Maybe you just play different and are naturally good with it? You got severly lucky and your team was heavily injuring everyone,you just finished them off? You are lying? I dunno... Ima 3K-D ratio player that gets Squad/proto stomped BADLY but i think im an above average player, and i've never done more than 20kills in a game with it :/ But play with a STD Laser rifle and go 38-5...so i think is more about playstyle than actually OPness of a weapon. u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 145	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:30:00 - [25] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Your argument can be made for any other weapon. For Example: Change the MD and put Forge Gun. The militia forge gun can insta-kill anyone in one hit. EVERY TIME. Let's just make you have to put 600k SP into a skill just to be able to use the militia FG. Yes but the forge gun is getting a radius nerf! I do see what your saying though, but all i put in the skill was about 12k. Seems crazy when Iv put in nearly 3 million into AR Gÿé
Cosgar ParagonX 7271	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:35:00 - [26] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: Your argument can be made for any other weapon. For Example: Change the MD and put Forge Gun. The militia forge gun can insta-kill anyone in one hit. EVERY TIME. Let's just make you have to put 600k SP into a skill just to be able to use the militia FG. Yes but the forge gun is getting a radius nerf! I do see what your saying though, but all i put in the skill was about 12k. Seems crazy when Iv put in nearly 3 million into AR MD already got a radius and damage nerf compared to Chromosome. Hell, it just got scaled down. The Freedom, Boundless, and Core are the EX0-5, EC-3, and EK-A2 of last build, with a radius nerf tacked on. You just won't be satisfied until it fires confetti. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 145	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:36:00 - [27] - Quote Cosgar wrote: No need to read the rest of what you feel would "balance" the MD, or any niche weapon you decided to QQ about by not QQing about it. Let me explain how this kind of mentality has ruined Dust 514. I remember earlier builds where scouts, while being paper thin were strafing gods, able to leap around acrobatically, chipping away at you- NERFED! Heavies used to flat out outgun anyone dumb enough to face them head on- NERFED! Tanks could wreck an entire map if nobody on the opposing end had any AV above MLT swarms- NERFED! See where I'm going with this? Wow... I feel like your firing a lot of hostility my way for the many nerfs that iv had nothing to do with nor been behind. But, if you could manage to read... you would see that im not so much as proposing a nerf, in fact I did say that the stats should remain the same, i understand you would need a large radius for CC. But maybe increase the skill requirement to bring it along side other weapons? Because at the moment all I'v done is invest a tiny amount of SP into it, nothing compared to the huge amounts of SP into AR, does it not seem silly to you that there is this much of a gap within the skill point system? Gÿé
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1345	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:36:00 - [28] - Quote Did you test this with your main, or on an alt pubstomping academy users? Also curious if you can regularly replicate this. Either way it just might be your natural playstyle, as most people do not have that 30+ score in matches with the MD Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2246	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:39:00 - [29] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Cosgar wrote: No need to read the rest of what you feel would "balance" the MD, or any niche weapon you decided to QQ about by not QQing about it. Let me explain how this kind of mentality has ruined Dust 514. I remember earlier builds where scouts, while being paper thin were strafing gods, able to leap around acrobatically, chipping away at you- NERFED! Heavies used to flat out outgun anyone dumb enough to face them head on- NERFED! Tanks could wreck an entire map if nobody on the opposing end had any AV above MLT swarms- NERFED! See where I'm going with this? Wow... I feel like your firing a lot of hostility my way for the many nerfs that iv had nothing to do with nor been behind. But, if you could manage to read... you would see that im not so much as proposing a nerf, in fact I did say that the stats should remain the same, i understand you would need a large radius for CC. But maybe increase the skill requirement to bring it along side other weapons? Because at the moment all I'v done is invest a tiny amount of SP into it, nothing compared to the huge amounts of SP into AR, does it not seem silly to you that there is this much of a gap within the skill point system? Again. Its all about playstyle. Huge amount of SP in AR? please, i can go 30-3 with a TOXIN AR BPO without a single sp spent HEHE... Also it depends on the map. I dont think you'll do very good on a very open map with itlike the 3 objective one.. And if you do you are just way to awesome for all of us...but the MD is fine. u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 145	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:40:00 - [30] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: Your argument can be made for any other weapon. For Example: Change the MD and put Forge Gun. The militia forge gun can insta-kill anyone in one hit. EVERY TIME. Let's just make you have to put 600k SP into a skill just to be able to use the militia FG. Yes but the forge gun is getting a radius nerf! I do see what your saying though, but all i put in the skill was about 12k. Seems crazy when Iv put in nearly 3 million into AR MD already got a radius and damage nerf compared to Chromosome. Hell, it just got scaled down. The Freedom, Boundless, and Core are the EX0-5, EC-3, and EK-A2 of last build, with a radius nerf tacked on. You just won't be satisfied until it fires confetti. Well hopefully the buff to the heavy tomorrow will make a difference, because I still think its needed. Gÿé

Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 166	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:46:00 - [31] - Quote Mass Driver is one of the best kill-stealing weapons in the game. If you see someone in combat with someone else, spam a round or two in that direction and steal the kill from the guy who earned it. Whenever I used the MD I noticed I either got a ton of kills or a ton of assist based on just spamming crowds. Don't think for a moment that you killed all 38 people, you probably just stole a ton of kills with it.
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 145	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:47:00 - [32] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Did you test this with your main, or on an alt pubstomping academy users? Also curious if you can regularly replicate this. Either way it just might be your natural playstyle, as most people do not have that 30+ score in matches with the MD Yeah my main, just under 12mill SP. Got bits invested into a few weapons for when I need them, AR being the main one! But its such a commonly used weapon that I don't think it counts as being OP when everyone uses it. And basically everyone I was fighting was using it. Fit was, Advanced assault. 5% light damage mod 2 complex shield basic plate enhanced shield regulator 'syndicate' sub machine gun mass driver locus grenade Gÿé
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 505	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:48:00 - [33] - Quote Play a couple matches, get kills, instantly posts thread about weapon being OP. Seriously though OP, you're a scrub, if you've got a duvolle with 3mil SP in it and you do better with a STD MD, its because you can't aim. The ONLY reason you could ever go 30+kills with a STD MD is because the enemies using garbage fits, try bringing a STD MD up against proto suits and lemme see you post a score again. theres a big difference between 3-4 shotting scrubs in starter fits and trying to put MORE than an entire 6 shot magazine into a good player in proto suit whose got a duvolle and melts you in half a second. Fuck1ng scrubs making garbage ignorant threads.
Cosgar ParagonX 7271	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:51:00 - [34] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Cosgar wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: Your argument can be made for any other weapon. For Example: Change the MD and put Forge Gun. The militia forge gun can insta-kill anyone in one hit. EVERY TIME. Let's just make you have to put 600k SP into a skill just to be able to use the militia FG. Yes but the forge gun is getting a radius nerf! I do see what your saying though, but all i put in the skill was about 12k. Seems crazy when Iv put in nearly 3 million into AR MD already got a radius and damage nerf compared to Chromosome. Hell, it just got scaled down. The Freedom, Boundless, and Core are the EX0-5, EC-3, and EK-A2 of last build, with a radius nerf tacked on. You just won't be satisfied until it fires confetti. Well hopefully the buff to the heavy tomorrow will make a difference, because I still think its needed. Won't matter because the HMG is a PoS. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 145	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:53:00 - [35] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Play a couple matches, get kills, instantly posts thread about weapon being OP. Seriously though OP, you're a scrub, if you've got a duvolle with 3mil SP in it and you do better with a STD MD, its because you can't aim. The ONLY reason you could ever go 30+kills with a STD MD is because the enemies using garbage fits, try bringing a STD MD up against proto suits and lemme see you post a score again. theres a big difference between 3-4 shotting scrubs in starter fits and trying to put MORE than an entire 6 shot magazine into a good player in proto suit whose got a duvolle and melts you in half a second. Fuck1ng scrubs making garbage ignorant threads. I wouldn't say I'm a scrub, and although I do have about 3mill SP into AR i only use the 'toxin'. I never use duvolle, way to expensive for pubs lol Gÿé
Lanius Pulvis Bojo's School of the Trades 40	Posted - 2013.11.05 03:53:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: You cannont aim at the ground and expect to win against shield tankers, heavies, and people who aren't directly infront of you The splash damage and blast radii does not migrate with travel time, it's just that smart people aim where the person is going to be instead of where they are. Small blast radius until upgraded to level 5, yeah it's true. And finally, it's a crowd control weapon. Just like the LR it is supposed to be good at killing massive blobs of people, the MDs tradeoff is the ineffectiveness at long ranges. Just like the LR is devastating at long ranges but is horribly bad in CQC. Everything has it's drawbacks in this game, except ARs. I see no drawback with them Wow, I didn't expect to agree with Atiim, but this about sums it up. If you found it that easy, perhaps it should be your weapon of choice, because that kind of performance is the exception, not the rule. Not new, just new to you.
Paran Tadec Ancient Exiles 1580	Posted - 2013.11.05 04:08:00 - [37] - Quote Its almost like that time I picked up the Balacs AR after running mass driver and forge for a year and stomped 27-0 with it.... anecdote =/= mean anything Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 848	Posted - 2013.11.05 04:36:00 - [38] - Quote MD are noobe tubes and are just one of many weapons that are abused. Why have skill when you can spam the area with MD's, FG's, and nades. Everyone has been in a match were one side is throwing nade after nade with MD and FG spamming the area. No skill just point in a general direction and fire until you are empty, rinse, and repeat. There is nothing you can do except take cover from a distance and shoot them, problem is the MD has such a high arc it can reach you from over 60M. The best counter to this is a well placed sniper. keep there heads down long enough for your squad to take out there support and they lose the advantage. Do not eat the yellow snow
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1789	Posted - 2013.11.05 04:53:00 - [39] - Quote Mass. Driver. Is. Fine. EDIT: AR users should stop whining about MD and MD users should stop whining about AR. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Paran Tadec Ancient Exiles 1580	Posted - 2013.11.05 05:01:00 - [40] - Quote calvin b wrote: MD are noobe tubes and are just one of many weapons that are abused. Why have skill when you can spam the area with MD's, FG's, and nades. Everyone has been in a match were one side is throwing nade after nade with MD and FG spamming the area. No skill just point in a general direction and fire until you are empty, rinse, and repeat. There is nothing you can do except take cover from a distance and shoot them, problem is the MD has such a high arc it can reach you from over 60M. The best counter to this is a well placed sniper. keep there heads down long enough for your squad to take out there support and they lose the advantage. Funny you should say that, as it takes 4-5 mass driver rounds to kill, but just one militia locus grenade can OHK a proto suit. Free grenade on a free suit. Restockable from hive. Easily spammed. But no, Mass driver is OP. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 58	Posted - 2013.11.05 05:05:00 - [41] - Quote Time-To-Kill on Mass Drivers is still substantially lower than a respective AR. Standard MD: 116 HP splash/242 HP direct - 60 RPM = 116 DPS Standard AR: 34 HP - 750 RPM = 425 DPS An AR kicks out (a whole lot) more damage much faster, but requires that you maintain your aim (which is not particularly difficult overall) whereas the MD applies damage much, much more slowly but with the advantage that it does not need to directly hit. The MD has some very big ups and downs: - Elevated MD, big advantage - Elevated target, big downside - Target close to wall, advantage - Target in the open, minor disadvantage And so on... Point being, the MD is absolutely fine. It's seen a rise in power with the swing towards Armour Tanking since the Plating buff, but that has hardly made the MD overpowered. The MD in the hands of a skilled user will dominate an area, but they do have finite ammunition, even with Nanohives: 60 RPM and a 4 second reload means that there can be a significant period of vulnerability when pressure is applied, especially if the opposition is not foolish enough to cluster up in nice tight groups for the MD to demolish.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 897	Posted - 2013.11.05 05:19:00 - [42] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Atiim wrote: Please tell me how the MD needs to be nerfed. It seems perfectly balanced to me Slow Travel Time Small Blast radius until upgraded to level 5 Half a clip to kill a starter fit (unless using damage mods and/or prof. skills) Really low ammo (18 rounds total) Does jack all against shield tankers without flux grenades Terrible ADS Ability to be buttplugged by SCR and AR users before first shot even travels to the target (in mid range combat) Awful weapon when forced to aim up or in terrain obsticals such as hills and mountains) Only effective against scouts and armor tankers This thread is disused as a QQ thread A no skill scrub weapon? You are an ASSault that uses ASSault Rifles? Try aiming up with the weapon and get back to me on that one. PS: Obvious troll is obvious You serious? Small blast radius? It's blast radius is so large that it mitigates the slow travel time. Like i said, carry a nano with you and your ammo troubles are sorted. And yeah I use AR but so does everyone else. An AR fighting an AR kinda cancels out the OPness... My point was its a no skill weapon, at lease with the AR I have to aim at the head of a moving target, with a MD all i have to do is get the high ground and shoot in the correct direction! An Assault Rifle user does not need to aim for the head. Don't pretend the Assault Rifle takes skill. At least the Mass Driver needs to worry about bullet drop and travel time. The Assault Rifle is point and click with a 1.5 second TTK against rank equivalent gear that is fully tanked after damage mods. This TTK would only be matched by the Mass Driver OHKOing everything, which it doesn't. Duvolle + Proficiency 5 + 2 Complex Damage Modifiers = 640 DPS. Freedom + Proficiency 5 + 2 Complex Damage Modifiers = 190 DPS. You're DPS is almost three and a half times higher and you're STILL complaining. The only time I feel ripped off by it is when people play the good old mortar and hive game with it, pelting the Domination terminal from behind cover for free kills. Anything else is fair game. The only annoying aspect of the splash that I've had is that it allows Mass Driver users to hop up and down like idiots in CQC while strafing and shoot at my feet with little semblance of aim. Anything beyond that takes some skill to hit, especially if the target is on level ground or above you. Syeven Reed wrote: So in summery, it takes no skill and barely any SP. A good weapon of choice for anyone coming out of the academy! Now, what does that sound like...? Syeven Reed wrote: I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. Using an Omega Booster? How much SP do you have and what suit are you using? You probably have 2-3 Complex Damage Modifiers, which add far more damage than Proficiency 5, along with Shield Extenders and Armor Plates. Your SP investment means nothing if you don't tell us your suit as well. With truly no SP invested in your suit, modules or gun (fresh from the Academy!), your lovely standard Mass Driver deals 115 splash damage in one second. At the same time, you could've dealt 640 with your Duvolle with Proficiency 5 and 2 Complex Damage Modifiers. It takes a noob from the Academy a WHOLE CLIP of Mass Driver ammo over 6 seconds to deal what you can in 1 second. Yet, clearly, it is the noob with the Mass Driver that needs nerfing. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 897	Posted - 2013.11.05 05:19:00 - [43] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Time-To-Kill on Mass Drivers is still substantially lower than a respective AR. Standard MD: 116 HP splash/242 HP direct - 60 RPM = 116 DPS Standard AR: 34 HP - 750 RPM = 425 DPS An AR kicks out (a whole lot) more damage much faster, but requires that you maintain your aim (which is not particularly difficult overall) whereas the MD applies damage much, much more slowly but with the advantage that it does not need to directly hit. The MD has some very big ups and downs: - Elevated MD, big advantage - Elevated target, big downside - Target close to wall, advantage - Target in the open, minor disadvantage And so on... Point being, the MD is absolutely fine. It's seen a rise in power with the swing towards Armour Tanking since the Plating buff, but that has hardly made the MD overpowered. The MD in the hands of a skilled user will dominate an area, but they do have finite ammunition, even with Nanohives: 60 RPM and a 4 second reload means that there can be a significant period of vulnerability when pressure is applied, especially if the opposition is not foolish enough to cluster up in nice tight groups for the MD to demolish. It took me 20 minutes to write my post and you ninja'd me. Damn. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 450	Posted - 2013.11.05 05:21:00 - [44] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: It's not a QQ thread! Iv rather enjoyed using it! MD is way over powered. For example,*I'm an assault AR user* But today I went to pick up an MD. I invested a total of around 12k SP. Really no that much, it's about 6 hours passive. [/quote] ._____. nuff said "i weel shuut u een duh faise" - some Minnie scout
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 276	Posted - 2013.11.05 07:22:00 - [45] - Quote In recent weeks(and only in pubs) the mass driver has seemed to be OP. The reason for this is mainly because there is a very high number of players using the default free suits(Assault - Frontline etc). The second a mass driver user(of any tier) comes up against an advanced user the advantage is considerably on the side of the latter(unless the MD user has far better positioning). I expect we will be seeing nerf threads about the shotgun and nova knife tomorrow if they've been properly fixed.


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