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HyperionsThunder
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:36:00 -
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I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward.
Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
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SteelDark Knight
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:40:00 -
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I believe this was the last "official" word on ISK reward.
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Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:49:00 -
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HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward.
It's broken but yeh hunt down a guy with officer's gear if you can.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:53:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward. It's broken but yeh hunt down a guy with officer's gear if you can.
Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts.
Payout is tied with how many WP you earn along with how much isk is lost on the other team.
You could kill 100 people in militia suits and you wont get much payout. Which is exactly why if people proto stomp u switch to BPO rather than act in like kind. Less iskies for them, more for you.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:55:00 -
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I'm relatively certain it's split between team members - I got a massive 2.1 mil when I had a solo match.
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1757
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm relatively certain it's split between team members - I got a massive 2.1 mil when I had a solo match.
Yes it's split, and your cut is mostly a function of your contribution to battle re: (your wp/team's wp). |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:01:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm relatively certain it's split between team members - I got a massive 2.1 mil when I had a solo match. Yes it's split, and your cut is mostly a function of your contribution to battle re: (your wp/team's wp).
Still has some element of randomness and/or brokenness as far as I can tell, I have finished 1st and got less ISK than 2nd I have finished 2nd and got more than 1st. I have had an unbelieveable game against proto stompers and got only about 250k despite topping my team by a large margin, on the other hand played against randoms in militia came second and got 450ish.
It obvious the better you do the more you get but I am sure we are missing something/CCP buggered up somewhere.
TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
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Aqua-Regia
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:22:00 -
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We get low isk payout because of free suit and bpo. Dust player need to embrace proto pubstomping so the higher possibility of two proto pubstomping fighting each other for a bigger payout than a BPO pubstomper vs a proto pubstomping team.
All you BPO cheap ass player trying to save ISK and QQing about people using proto gear in a pub games are ******* up the Dust economy.
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:23:00 -
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Stabbing Proto Heavies is where most of my paycheck comes from 
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Aseair
The Immortal 514
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:30:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Stabbing Proto Heavies is where most of my paycheck comes from
^ this
p.s. can I steal this quote?
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Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
235
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:44:00 -
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"Equip modules that assist you in finding better salvage, and you will become much more likely to receive higher quality items, such as the rare Officer-tier weapons" from the dev blog.
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Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:46:00 -
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Someone already said It is a combination of how much isk the other team loses versus your WP. Then someone mentioned the merits of running BPO versus protos. I believe that if you can get in a proto stomping squad you should go for it, because it is not just how much isk you make per match but how much isk you make per hour of play. Proto stomps means less per match but many more matches per hour.
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:48:00 -
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Aseair wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Stabbing Proto Heavies is where most of my paycheck comes from ^ this p.s. can I steal this quote?
Here you go!
"Stabbing Proto Heavies is where most of my paycheck comes from " -Ghost Kaisar
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
844
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Posted - 2013.11.04 20:24:00 -
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Grab an Oiuja board, summon all the lawyers and accountants from hell and you might, and I say this loosely you might get your answer
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
131
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:54:00 -
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HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward.
ITS FKING BROKE! I dont kill ANYBODY and get 500k a match.
Last 5 matches last night:
109k
540k
498k
779k
503k
It's all based on WP, I don't care what everyone else says. Im sure you make more if you kill protos.
ps: I have pics of wallet as proof
A shitstorm is coming.......
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1854
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:04:00 -
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It is broken. I don't care what anybody says. I played in a match yesterday where my team was cloned and the other team had 3 clones left.
There was a LOT of proto in that match. It was basically a squad on each side doing all the killing and WP generation. The payouts were around 400K for the top 3 on the losing side.
297 clones were destroyed with a lot of proto.
I've seen matches were 50 total clones were killed and I've gotten over 600K.
I think it's random or at the least broken. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1197
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:05:00 -
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CCP wrote:
Who the **** knows?[/quote]
Really.
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Virtual Riot
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:35:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward. It's broken but yeh hunt down a guy with officer's gear if you can. Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts. Payout is tied with how many WP you earn along with how much isk is lost on the other team. You could kill 100 people in militia suits and you wont get much payout. Which is exactly why if people proto stomp u switch to BPO rather than act in like kind. Less iskies for them, more for you.
Lets just get this cleared up. Officers gear does significantly boost your isk payout. Why?
Isk payout is determined by the average meta level of gear destroyed by a team in a given match.
Thats what makes the pool, (Average meta level x ISK multiplier = Team profit)
The pool is then split between players based on what % of the team WP they earned. For example;
If the pool was 1 million Isk, I got 100WP and the only other guy on my team got 1,000WP, I would get 10% of the ISK pool and the other guy would get 90% of the isk pool.
End of match ISK payout is in fact not directly related to the ISK value of gear destroyed, nor the ammount of WP you earn.
It is determined by meta level of gear destroyed, and your personal % of the total WP for the team.
*End Thread* |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:38:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:
Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts.
actually the data dumps show that officer gear DOES have an isk price in the system used for just these purposes :P |
Virtual Riot
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:39:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:
Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts.
actually the data dumps show that officer gear DOES have an isk price in the system used for just these purposes :P
Again, it has nothing to do with the ISK value of the gear anyways. |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:43:00 -
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wait you're telling me (one of the poorest people in dust) that the one time my internet at home goes down that the isk rewards get broken and become stupidly high? WTF LIFE?
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:47:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward. It's broken but yeh hunt down a guy with officer's gear if you can. Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts. Payout is tied with how many WP you earn along with how much isk is lost on the other team. You could kill 100 people in militia suits and you wont get much payout. Which is exactly why if people proto stomp u switch to BPO rather than act in like kind. Less iskies for them, more for you.
someone who understands the economics +1
rather than QQ and send your hatemail, why not send a 'thank you' for the additional isk u get?
hating on protobears is silly... sure the gear is better, and costs more, thus giving you more.
its a win win, and its all about winning
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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HyperionsThunder
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:06:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward. It's broken but yeh hunt down a guy with officer's gear if you can. Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts. Payout is tied with how many WP you earn along with how much isk is lost on the other team. You could kill 100 people in militia suits and you wont get much payout. Which is exactly why if people proto stomp u switch to BPO rather than act in like kind. Less iskies for them, more for you. someone who understands the economics +1 rather than QQ and send your hatemail, why not send a 'thank you' for the additional isk u get? hating on protobears is silly... sure the gear is better, and costs more, thus giving you more. its a win win, and its all about winning
I dig the signature.
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OSGR Valdez
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
90
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:38:00 -
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The enemy team's loss of ISK goes into a pool. Your cut of the pie is determined on how many WP you get.
More WP = More ISK
(And your time in game aswell) But let's assume you played from start to finish |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:39:00 -
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Virtual Riot wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward. It's broken but yeh hunt down a guy with officer's gear if you can. Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts. Payout is tied with how many WP you earn along with how much isk is lost on the other team. You could kill 100 people in militia suits and you wont get much payout. Which is exactly why if people proto stomp u switch to BPO rather than act in like kind. Less iskies for them, more for you. Lets just get this cleared up. Officers gear does significantly boost your isk payout. Why? Isk payout is determined by the average meta level of gear destroyed by a team in a given match. Thats what makes the pool, (Average meta level x ISK multiplier = Team profit) The pool is then split between players based on what % of the team WP they earned. For example; If the pool was 1 million Isk, I got 100WP and the only other guy on my team got 1,000WP, I would get 10% of the ISK pool and the other guy would get 90% of the isk pool. End of match ISK payout is in fact not directly related to the ISK value of gear destroyed, nor the ammount of WP you earn. It is determined by meta level of gear destroyed, and your personal % of the total WP for the team. *End Thread*
How does one prove this? Would like a source. Previously all info was built on the knowledge quoted below.
That would mean killing any vehicles give you no/little additional isk as I don't even think they have meta levels.
Quote:
Base rewards GÇô Every mercenary receives basic compensation for each battle they fight. The size of the reward depends on the time you spent fighting, so joining a battle late will net you lower earnings. Value of objects destroyed in battle has no bearing on this part of the reward.
Team rewards GÇô The total rewards calculated from the value destroyed are split between the participating teams, with the winning team earning a larger share. Then, each participant earns a cut of the total rewards that their team received based on the time they spent in the battle. If youGÇÖre late to the party, youGÇÖll earn a smaller cut.
Individual rewards GÇô Finally, every participant receives a reward based on their individual contribution on the battlefield. Mercs earn war points based on their actions in the course of each battle, and the more war points you score, the higher your cut of the total payout.
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Sana Rayya
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:41:00 -
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Let me just jump in to say that BPO stuff does add to the ISK payout at the end of the match. Particularly full BPO LAVs. |
HyperionsThunder
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
108
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:28:00 -
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But I think vehicle destruction could potentially add to the ISK payout, which is why someone got 3.1M from that match. If you watch the clips, the sky was filled with dropships. It was nuts.
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:40:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:We get low isk payout because of free suit and bpo. Dust player need to embrace proto pubstomping so the higher possibility of two proto pubstomping fighting each other for a bigger payout than a BPO pubstomper vs a proto pubstomping team.
All you BPO cheap ass player trying to save ISK and QQing about people using proto gear in a pub games are ******* up the Dust economy.
Lol, like I give a ****, more ISKies for me and nones for you.
I can has ISK
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bear90211
Nyain San
Proficiency V.
40
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:43:00 -
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hahaha, i think i know an exploit on this >:D just have 2 PS3, have your second on the enemy team, (best on an empty server for ISK,) have a friend next to that proto suit, shoot it and revive, enemy loses 0 clones, your friend gets 5K WP, you get 7K WP, you make 7 mill, he makes 2 mill, as you destroy the proto suit a few hundred times it counts as if you actualy killed a few hundrod protos, so 10 mill in a match esy, try tis if you want :D
Heavies are still squishy to my AR, just 5 rounds into them extra ;D
hmm, I want taco's...
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
878
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:12:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Let me just jump in to say that BPO stuff does add to the ISK payout at the end of the match. Particularly full BPO LAVs.
My Ishukone LAVs with milita BPOs are a service to the DUST economy~~~ |
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Virtual Riot
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:28:00 -
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Virtual Riot wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:Scheherazade VII wrote:HyperionsThunder wrote:I've realized that I have no idea how the ISK/SP payout system works. Does anyone have any idea? It appears that killing people in better gear gives a better reward. Officer gear has no isk price, therefore does nothing to your payouts. Payout is tied with how many WP you earn along with how much isk is lost on the other team. You could kill 100 people in militia suits and you wont get much payout. Which is exactly why if people proto stomp u switch to BPO rather than act in like kind. Less iskies for them, more for you. Lets just get this cleared up. Officers gear does significantly boost your isk payout. Why? Isk payout is determined by the average meta level of gear destroyed by a team in a given match. Thats what makes the pool, (Average meta level x ISK multiplier = Team profit) The pool is then split between players based on what % of the team WP they earned. For example; If the pool was 1 million Isk, I got 100WP and the only other guy on my team got 1,000WP, I would get 10% of the ISK pool and the other guy would get 90% of the isk pool. End of match ISK payout is in fact not directly related to the ISK value of gear destroyed, nor the ammount of WP you earn. It is determined by meta level of gear destroyed, and your personal % of the total WP for the team. *End Thread* How does one prove this? Would like a source. Previously all info was built on the knowledge quoted below. That would mean killing any vehicles give you no/little additional isk as I don't even think they have meta levels.
Take a look at this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1338083
You can find this post in there.
I trust his excel sheet claims, as I have done my own experiments, and also found this to be true. Try it yourself, you will find that if you plot everything out, kills, and WP gain are not directly related to ISK payout.
Try it 
Canari Elphus wrote:
I spent an afternoon attempting to answer this question. I used excel to plot war points and kills, deaths and assists. To my discovery the payout of ISK has absolutely nothing to do with these numbers. What I found was the payout was directly related to the meta level of the items the person you killed was wearing when you got the kill. If you kill a guy in proto gear then you'll make more at the end of the match then if you kill a guy wearing militia gear or low meta level gear. This significantly goes up if they are wearing arum gear, then your payout will skyrocket.
I think this method is absurd and needs to change. I can go 21 and 6 with 3000+ warpoints and make 250k ISK... The next game I go 5 and 4 with 1200+ war points and make 550k ISK. Does that seem right to you?
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:42:00 -
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Virtual Riot wrote:Take a look at this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1338083You can find this post in there. I trust his excel sheet claims, as I have done my own experiments, and also found this to be true. Try it yourself, you will find that if you plot everything out, kills, and WP gain are not directly related to ISK payout. Try it
If you go into a battle with no one on the other side and no clones are lost, you still make isk.
The problem is that entire thread is conjecture....while that other post is from a dev blog stating its based on value, not meta level along with several other metrics.
There are no isk values associated with AUR gear or officer gear. I would like you to point them to me if such. There are no such values in eve either as the prices fluctuate based on demand/supply.
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