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Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Amarrian Desperado wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Then assaults give up their equipment slot.

i like where this is going

I don't. Neither racial logi is better than its assault counterpart. Some of the assaults could use some work like an armor bonus for Gallente and Amarr or hybrid sidearms and grenades for the Gallente suit. But it's just a matter of playstyle, there's no one suit to rule them all like the CaLogi did earlier in uprising, it just comes down to play style choice.

I completely disagree....

3-4 equipment slots make logies more versatile, amar logies get a side arm to boot.

assault suit bonuses don't compliment their suits the way logi bonus do

logies can be all things adequately, not perfectly, but well enough that you can have 16 logies on the field and dominate...

you cant do that with scouts or heavies, and assaults cant compete with the link/hive spam.

theres a reason why no one makes threads about how heavies, scouts, and assaults are OP... beacause they aren't...

theres a reason why there are so many threads about logies being OP... because compared to the other suits at the moment, they are.

now im not calling for a logi nerf, im calling for a buff to other suits and an increase in cpu/pg need of equipment.

Buff the other suits, yes. Increase equipment cost, no. Proto and advanced equipment is already demanding enough as it is. Let's not punish people for using a suit's designed purpose in line with its practical use.

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Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 306	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote Currently the passive logistics suit bonus is +1 hp/second armor repair per level totalling at +5 HP / second repair. This bonus has been the causes of many of my friends using the logistics suit as an assault suit and playing an assault role. It's a really good bonus considering you can use the logistics suit to solo without needing to put the armor repairer module on your low slot! It serves as a complex armor repairer. In order for the logistics role to be defined more clearly and for those playing the suit to actually use the suit for what it was intended I think that these bonuses should be changed. For example an alternative bonus would be to use the gallente logistics bonus of 5% pg/cpu reduction for equipment per level, totalling at 25% pc/cpu reduction. This is excellent as it means that logistics suits can use the better equipment. This bonus also makes the gallente logistics the number one logi suit that players use as it is the most useful. All suits should have their racial bonuses revised to be better suited for Logistics roles. But their passives should all be changed from the HP / second repair to the pg/cpu reduction bonus. What are your thoughts on this? Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1391	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:40:00 - [2] - Quote No thanks, not all of us pro logis are assault logis. _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
Cosgar ParagonX 7058	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:41:00 - [3] - Quote If this is what everyone is butthurt about, then fine. I just want to keep my Minmatar logi slot layout and hacking bonus. Still rather see assaults get a buff before logistics get touched. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1391	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: If this is what everyone is butthurt about, then fine. I just want to keep my Minmatar logi slot layout and hacking bonus. Still rather see assaults get a buff before logistics get touched. Agreed, it's because the callogi is slightly OP, I'm a pro amarr logi and I got taken out by a pro callogi with the same amount of armour I had (around 650) and he had 500+ shields.....I thought amarr were the dual tankers _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 569	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote Lets see here.... The logistics class is not a complete support class. Based on the way the Amarr Logistics was implemented, one can only assume that the logistics are a hybrid class between assault and field medics Logistics have the ability to tank well and have an armor regeneration bonus so that they are self sufficient. A logistics needs to be able to have survivability so it can revive and repair the rest of the team, and they need the built in armor regeneration so that they don't require a logistic themselves. (Imagine a computer needing a computer to function properly) "Wirykomi" 514 "Tank" 514 We are in for some dark times ahead
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 569	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:46:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar wrote: If this is what everyone is butthurt about, then fine. I just want to keep my Minmatar logi slot layout and hacking bonus. Still rather see assaults get a buff before logistics get touched. Minmatar logistics have the lowest base HP in the game (second to scouts). Then need that slot layout "Wirykomi" 514 "Tank" 514 We are in for some dark times ahead
Cosgar ParagonX 7058	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:48:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Cosgar wrote: If this is what everyone is butthurt about, then fine. I just want to keep my Minmatar logi slot layout and hacking bonus. Still rather see assaults get a buff before logistics get touched. Agreed, it's because the callogi is slightly OP, I'm a pro amarr logi and I got taken out by a pro callogi with the same amount of armour I had (around 650) and he had 500+ shields.....I thought amarr were the dual tankers CaLogi should have been the opposite of GaLogi with 5H/3L/4E at proto. That slot layout is pretty insane. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 749	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:48:00 - [8] - Quote I think the assault suits should be brought in line with the logistics suit. Currently, a standard level logistics suit is as good as the advanced basic suit it comes from (since you need racial suit 3 to get it). However, the assault suit is only as good as a standard level basic suit. I would give the assault and logi suits the same number of high/low slots and same pg/cpu. However, the assaults would only get the one equipment slot and perhaps a 5% per level to racial weapon damage Additionally, the 1hp/s would be moved added to the assault suits to bring them in line with the logis. That means that assaults can assault very well, while logies could do as they do now, or become 100% logi with reduced hp (fitting requirements) or some mixture. It also means that in a straight up firefight between equally skilled (player and character) the racial assault would stomp the racial logi in a 1v1, but the logi has more unconventional means at its disposal, such as REs and scanners, where by he could bait the assault.
Xender17 MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 885	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:48:00 - [9] - Quote The armor repair fits into the logis suppose to be role of defensive independence and suppose to be less aggressive independence. Hopefully they well do something that will affect its very strong aggressive independence. What the fox say?
Cosgar ParagonX 7061	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:50:00 - [10] - Quote Xender17 wrote: The armor repair fits into the logis suppose to be role of defensive independence and suppose to be less aggressive independence. Hopefully they well do something that will affect its very strong aggressive independence. What about the Amarr logi? It's meant to be an assault hybrid. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 315	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote Another logi assaults better than assault thread cool well disguised though
Xender17 MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 886	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:57:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Xender17 wrote: The armor repair fits into the logis suppose to be role of defensive independence and suppose to be less aggressive independence. Hopefully they well do something that will affect its very strong aggressive independence. What about the Amarr logi? It's meant to be an assault hybrid. Well yeah. Races always make exceptions that go before roles. What the fox say?
Amarrian Desperado Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:01:00 - [13] - Quote ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides
Cosgar ParagonX 7062	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:03:00 - [14] - Quote Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 434	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:10:00 - [15] - Quote Aren't we all waiting on a DEV to tell us how they are doing with that technical issue that didn't allow them to change the bonuses in 1.3? Here is a reminder: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/logistics-dropsuit-changes-in-uprising-1.3/ Or maybe they already said something about it?
Amarrian Desperado Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 67	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. i like where this is going
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 734	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:11:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. And their slots. All of them. Sidearms too. That was a horrible suggestion Desperado. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Cosgar ParagonX 7063	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:15:00 - [18] - Quote Amarrian Desperado wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. i like where this is going I don't. Neither racial logi is better than its assault counterpart. Some of the assaults could use some work like an armor bonus for Gallente and Amarr or hybrid sidearms and grenades for the Gallente suit. But it's just a matter of playstyle, there's no one suit to rule them all like the CaLogi did earlier in uprising, it just comes down to play style choice. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2303	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:17:00 - [19] - Quote I think we should give logistics a +100% ability to beat dead horses until CCP can think of a new bonus. Been Logistics since before it was cool.
Cosgar ParagonX 7064	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:20:00 - [20] - Quote I should probably change my equipment load out for assauts. I'm thinking Ishukone gauged pacifiers, Imperial diapers, and core bottles. What do you think? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1006	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:20:00 - [21] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. And their slots. All of them. Sidearms too. That was a horrible suggestion Desperado. Yeah, that would be waaaaay worse than the Sidearm Only suggestion that I seem to be in the minority about (I would welcome such a change as I already run Sidearm primary) I wouldn't mind a No Damage Mods restriction though... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives....
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 189	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:22:00 - [22] - Quote Logistics needs their slots, and assault needs something like a role bonus of 5% increased damage. Assaults are just lackluster in their department. Why don't we nerf AR's, mass drivers, lasers, and nova knives because plasma cannon is underperforming? Me and my assault(proto), the minmatar, serve completely different role than ny adv logi. My advanced logistics can tank more than my proto assault, is that a problem? No, because the assault runs at the speed of a scout, whereas the logi has slots and equipments. My logistics can get 303 shield, or 400 armor. If i try both, i need to doo my equipments to standard, and drop the nanohive down to compact. All while staying std ar. If i just armor tank, i can fit 2 dmg mods(enhanced) and a blank high slot. Equipments being needle,std hive, and std repair tool. My assault though can fit 555 shield, and/or 383 armor. At that point i'm stuck with either adv weapons, or swap a plate for cpu upgrade and nab a gek. So quit yer bitchin ya whiny asses. You're ruining the game for those of us that play right. CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1092	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:25:00 - [23] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. i like where this is going I don't. Neither racial logi is better than its assault counterpart. Some of the assaults could use some work like an armor bonus for Gallente and Amarr or hybrid sidearms and grenades for the Gallente suit. But it's just a matter of playstyle, there's no one suit to rule them all like the CaLogi did earlier in uprising, it just comes down to play style choice. I completely disagree.... 3-4 equipment slots make logies more versatile, amar logies get a side arm to boot. assault suit bonuses don't compliment their suits the way logi bonus do logies can be all things adequately, not perfectly, but well enough that you can have 16 logies on the field and dominate... you cant do that with scouts or heavies, and assaults cant compete with the link/hive spam. theres a reason why no one makes threads about how heavies, scouts, and assaults are OP... beacause they aren't... theres a reason why there are so many threads about logies being OP... because compared to the other suits at the moment, they are. now im not calling for a logi nerf, im calling for a buff to other suits and an increase in cpu/pg need of equipment. insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1331	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:26:00 - [24] - Quote Yeah no, Logis need that bonus. Especially Minmatar Logis. Logi suits need to be self sufficient, scouts and assaults less so(scouts less then assaults obviously) And the heavy, who can(in theory) is meant to have the highest damage output is meant to really on Logis the most for ammo and repairs. Logi suit doesn't need anyone and shouldn't need anyone to function. They can fend off attackers and repair and rep themselves while concentrating on helping allies. This has been a Assault/Scouts opinion on Logis.
Cosgar ParagonX 7064	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:26:00 - [25] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. And their slots. All of them. Sidearms too. That was a horrible suggestion Desperado. Yeah, that would be waaaaay worse than the Sidearm Only suggestion that I seem to be in the minority about (I would welcome such a change as I already run Sidearm primary) I wouldn't mind a No Damage Mods restriction though... I'd rather not draw attention to SMGs, thank you. Damage mod restriction sounds silly since the idea behind a fitting system is to make everything available to everyone. Why not a full on weapon and weapon mod fitting bonus on all assaults? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 7065	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:31:00 - [26] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: ...give logistics dropsuits the 50% penalty to weapon damage that logistics LAVs have runs and hides Then assaults give up their equipment slot. i like where this is going I don't. Neither racial logi is better than its assault counterpart. Some of the assaults could use some work like an armor bonus for Gallente and Amarr or hybrid sidearms and grenades for the Gallente suit. But it's just a matter of playstyle, there's no one suit to rule them all like the CaLogi did earlier in uprising, it just comes down to play style choice. I completely disagree.... 3-4 equipment slots make logies more versatile, amar logies get a side arm to boot. assault suit bonuses don't compliment their suits the way logi bonus do logies can be all things adequately, not perfectly, but well enough that you can have 16 logies on the field and dominate... you cant do that with scouts or heavies, and assaults cant compete with the link/hive spam. theres a reason why no one makes threads about how heavies, scouts, and assaults are OP... beacause they aren't... theres a reason why there are so many threads about logies being OP... because compared to the other suits at the moment, they are. now im not calling for a logi nerf, im calling for a buff to other suits and an increase in cpu/pg need of equipment. Buff the other suits, yes. Increase equipment cost, no. Proto and advanced equipment is already demanding enough as it is. Let's not punish people for using a suit's designed purpose in line with its practical use. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1028	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:43:00 - [27] - Quote I laugh at this $hit! Assaults: why are scouts killing, why are logis having armor reps an killing, why are logis not doing their jobs, scouts are too fast, whan wannnn whan! Whinny b!tches, you all use AR 514 an just generaly assumed you had no weaknesses because your assaults, there isn't a logi I know that doesn't run either healing hives, or uplinks or a scanner , news for you! Do you have any clue the sp sink for hives, rep tools, scanners, an links, level 5 pg CPU an the suit then the gun an damage mods! Like fuk off already with losing 50% damage an all this qq an unbalanced crap. You never fully looked at all the stats, you all thought, suit, damage mods gun! I bet half of you don't even have your core skills all the way up, you just expect a guy to constantly have a rep tool attached to your a$$ while you kill everything. What ever happened to assaults all carrying needles like back in chrome? Logis mostly pick hives so there self sufficient an it's Your job to maintain your health bar or VOICE UP, if your not in a good squad or team chat that's your fault! My logi is a huge scout, all my scout gear on a logi, bombs hives , scanner an links, why should I waste rep tool points when I can't even see your bar, an half you guys are so stupid you just chase everyone expecting your 3 complex damage mods to save you, MAN GET REAL!
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 183	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:57:00 - [28] - Quote OZAROW wrote: CUT ! Sorry man, you're wrong here. Cenex is one of the few TRUE logi, and use a True Logi fitting, even in PC. As a Heavy i can tell you the difference :) a core repper on me change my suit. I think is suggest is made to change the logi suit with reason, before CCP take out the Hammer. Because we all know that is bad when CCP use that thing.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1096	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:09:00 - [29] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Cosgar wrote: Amarrian Desperado wrote: Cosgar wrote: Then assaults give up their equipment slot. i like where this is going I don't. Neither racial logi is better than its assault counterpart. Some of the assaults could use some work like an armor bonus for Gallente and Amarr or hybrid sidearms and grenades for the Gallente suit. But it's just a matter of playstyle, there's no one suit to rule them all like the CaLogi did earlier in uprising, it just comes down to play style choice. I completely disagree.... 3-4 equipment slots make logies more versatile, amar logies get a side arm to boot. assault suit bonuses don't compliment their suits the way logi bonus do logies can be all things adequately, not perfectly, but well enough that you can have 16 logies on the field and dominate... you cant do that with scouts or heavies, and assaults cant compete with the link/hive spam. theres a reason why no one makes threads about how heavies, scouts, and assaults are OP... beacause they aren't... theres a reason why there are so many threads about logies being OP... because compared to the other suits at the moment, they are. now im not calling for a logi nerf, im calling for a buff to other suits and an increase in cpu/pg need of equipment. Buff the other suits, yes. Increase equipment cost, no. Proto and advanced equipment is already demanding enough as it is. Let's not punish people for using a suit's designed purpose in line with its practical use. the only problem is you don't need proto equipment to dominate... rd9 links, advanced hives and f/45 remotes are more than sufficient.... and an injector at any level and used correctly still saves you a clone, and honestly my militia repper has saved many lives though I don't deny the efficiency of the adv/proto versions. my point is you still have a great advantage with lower tiered equipment and those items should get a cpu/pg increase to bring the logi more in line. I showed you my cal logi set up once and you said you didn't like it, but I cant count how many mercs have died to it and would disagree with you... or maybe they would agree that they don't like it, but for different reasons.... insert witty or profound statement here _______.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 105	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:11:00 - [30] - Quote Assault are already real slayers. They don't need a damn Buff. Changements that would be great (I'm a Logi but i'm objective) Ps : These ideas don't need game system changements (like remove damagers for logi). And they don't buff assault (You don't need it heavy are slow and die fast scouts are paper and logi is about to be nerfed so no buff for assault.) Nerf CalLogi => One left Slot less to avoid shield AND damagers or One slot right left to avoid Dual-tanking. Less pG/CPU because of the slot. Change the hp/s of all logis for the actual Gallente bonus 25% on PG/CPU of equipement. Gallente are Armor tanker => Give them the 5hp/s they need it. Amarr is supposed to be more ehp base than others Logi suits. In fact they only have 30ehp more for less speed/stamina and PG/CPU...... Give them more Base eHp => At least 80 more than others. 30 is not enough and we lost a lot of thing for these..... Amarr bonus is already great. Drawback : Increase the lack of PG/CPU because of the 25% of reduction PG/CPU on equipements. OR Decrease the shield regen rate : 17 => 15 or 13. Minmatarr is already balanced.



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