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TuFar Gon 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 37	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote If u disagree with any possibilty of a future respec please post your name in this thread. My reasoning behind this is simple. CCP informed the dust populace of the up and comming new content more than a month ahead of time,,so its only logical to start saving your SP,,especially considering all the shooters who have boosters. HONESTLY THERE IS NO EXCUSE. NO RESPEC!! NO RESPEC!! NO RESPEC!!
Scheherazade VII Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:47:00 - [2] - Quote TuFar Gon wrote: If u disagree with any possibilty of a future respec please post your name in this thread. My reasoning behind this is simple. CCP informed the dust populace of the up and comming new content more than a month ahead of time,,so its only logical to start saving your SP,,especially considering all the shooters who have boosters. HONESTLY THERE IS NO EXCUSE. NO RESPEC!! NO RESPEC!! NO RESPEC!! I don't think there should be a respec just because new guns are coming out. There should be a new respec maybe in 2.0 when core content is fixed and some racial suits etc are released. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 542	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:49:00 - [3] - Quote right and the fact that vehicles skills/mods are being removed and replaced? what should happen to all that sp? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles 322	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:53:00 - [4] - Quote Yea if I put 3 million SP into a skill/ vehicle that doesn't exist....um I should have known better? Yea, they said changes will always happen. They said a month ago changes to skill may happen. Use your SP at your own risk, everybody knows this. What you specced into an OP gun....lol. You dummy, you should have known it would be nerfed and the product can change at any whim... The game is free. You do not have anything to complain about...wait...you bought boosters with real money to gain SP and that said SP is now changed or deleted from game? WOW RESPECs are only logical and moral. My chocolate milk does not change into regular milk when I am home from the store.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 848	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:55:00 - [5] - Quote I do hate the idea of respec's but i think forum petitions are even worse... For the Empire! Member of ASS: Amarr Secret Service.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7392	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:59:00 - [6] - Quote Instead of making a thread to highlight how much you don't understand this game, maybe you should have just stuck to posting in the other thread that's exactly the same as this, without the negative and naive overtones. Red is dead
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 964	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:03:00 - [7] - Quote EVE Vegas Video link: discussion about racial suits and variants begins at 39:40. They explicitly state: 1) Racial variants are done, but "must be perfect" before being deployed. 2) They are waiting to do it all at once so that they only have to do one respec. Sorry man. It's probably gonna happen. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1079	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:04:00 - [8] - Quote I am also against respecs. the only exception to this will be when the game is no longer in beta. earliest I see that happening is 2015... and if anyone tries telling me this game is out of beta and officially released in may, let me just laugh at your face right now in response...
Scheherazade VII Expert Intervention Caldari State 32	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:05:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: EVE Vegas Video link: discussion about racial suits and variants begins at 39:40. They explicitly state: 1) Racial variants are done, but "must be perfect" before being deployed. 2) They are waiting to do it all at once so that they only have to do one respec. Sorry man. It's probably gonna happen. and that's the only time it should happen. it shouldn't be so people can jump to use the next OP weapon. it should be for people who simply want to change dropsuits and support their race, or just change dropsuits. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 446	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:07:00 - [10] - Quote I disagree with this -1 "i weel shuut u een duh faise" - some Minnie scout

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 964	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:08:00 - [11] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: and that's the only time it should happen. Agreed. I don't believe DUST should reward FOTM chasers with frequent respecs. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1695	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:10:00 - [12] - Quote I think respecs are not healthy for a game where commitment and persistence is a core foundational concept. This is not an arcade shooter. However, I think limited skill point refunds for skill trees that are radically changed are warranted. The upcoming vehicle changes are a prime example. Vehicles are being removed, skills are being added and some skills may be removed and not have a comparable skill that the points could logically be transferred to. The cleanest solution is to refund the whole tree and let the player spend those points again. Hopefully, back into the same tree but that's not required. CCP adding new items are not worthy of a respec or skill tree refund. Did you use Assault Rifle Proficiency 5 to tear apart your enemies? Yes. Do you want to switch all those skills to Combat Rifle? Sorry, but no. The Assault Rifle is still on the market. Your character committed their time and experience into becoming proficient in it. Over time you'll train into a wide variety of suits, weapons, equipment, vehicles and more. Your character will become more well round and more versatile as a result. It's crappy that not all racial options were available from the beginning. It's easy to explain using lore that the manufacturers are just now getting new items to the market. Everybody gets to start at the ground floor when something new is releases. You even have the option to save up skill points when something new is going to be released. Many players want to min/max into the FOTM. If there were regular respecs it would be a constant chase to find and fully invest into that FOTM. There would be no variety on the battlefield and the game would suffer from it. Even worse is when a new weapon appears and everyone goes all in on it only to find it out is not overpowered or is and is balanced a month later. The crying over misspent points is even worse than listening to people ask for respecs. To answer your petition: There is no black and white answer. CCP needs to fix the game but they don't need to provide a full skill refund.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7392	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:10:00 - [13] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: EVE Vegas Video link: discussion about racial suits and variants begins at 39:40. They explicitly state: 1) Racial variants are done, but "must be perfect" before being deployed. 2) They are waiting to do it all at once so that they only have to do one respec. Sorry man. It's probably gonna happen. and that's the only time it should happen. it shouldn't be so people can jump to use the next OP weapon. it should be for people who simply want to change dropsuits and support their race, or just change dropsuits. That's also likely not going to happen. CCP has shown serious interest in paid partial respecs every few months. It's here to stay. Red is dead
TuFar Gon 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 38	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:13:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Instead of making a thread to highlight how much you don't understand this game, maybe you should have just stuck to posting in the other thread that's exactly the same as this, without the negative and naive overtones. Yeah maybe as far as the vehicles go,but act like u dont know what im sayin as far as the pphhuking fotm players,,if ccp can manage to give sp back for vehicles only then hell yeah im all for it,,but am sick to death of the constant talk of ** being unfair. U didnt see a respec when the heavy went to ** did u?? Btw your cockholster runs to easily,,like many others in the game who cry-baby their way into getting what they want out of ccp,one of the many downfalls of the game,,,if u dont like what I just said then oh freakin well cuz your not the only one who lost real $$ bcuz of respecs. What u bought then u deal with now,,nuff said
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1695	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:13:00 - [15] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I am also against respecs. the only exception to this will be when the game is no longer in beta. earliest I see that happening is 2015... and if anyone tries telling me this game is out of beta and officially released in may, let me just laugh at your face right now in response... I laugh at anyone that says the game will ever be out of beta.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1389	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:15:00 - [16] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Yea if I put 3 million SP into a skill/ vehicle that doesn't exist....um I should have known better? Yea, they said changes will always happen. They said a month ago changes to skill may happen. Use your SP at your own risk, everybody knows this. What you specced into an OP gun....lol. You dummy, you should have known it would be nerfed and the product can change at any whim... The game is free. You do not have anything to complain about...wait...you bought boosters with real money to gain SP and that said SP is now changed or deleted from game? WOW RESPECs are only logical and moral. My chocolate milk does not change into regular milk when I am home from the store. Logibro already said there's going to be a respec, they just don't know how yet. As for putting SP into a skill that is to change, you know that they are completely removing skills, right? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1789	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:16:00 - [17] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: TuFar Gon wrote: If u disagree with any possibilty of a future respec please post your name in this thread. My reasoning behind this is simple. CCP informed the dust populace of the up and comming new content more than a month ahead of time,,so its only logical to start saving your SP,,especially considering all the shooters who have boosters. HONESTLY THERE IS NO EXCUSE. NO RESPEC!! NO RESPEC!! NO RESPEC!! I don't think there should be a respec just because new guns are coming out. There should be a new respec maybe in 2.0 when core content is fixed and some racial suits etc are released. Yup unless you're a tanker you shouldn't be getting ***. Until at least 'all' racial dropsuits, sidearms, and tanks are available respec should not be happening. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1* Tryhard Veteran
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1695	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:17:00 - [18] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: EVE Vegas Video link: discussion about racial suits and variants begins at 39:40. They explicitly state: 1) Racial variants are done, but "must be perfect" before being deployed. 2) They are waiting to do it all at once so that they only have to do one respec. Sorry man. It's probably gonna happen. The round table after was spent clarifying statements that the community misunderstood and starting raging on. They said players asked for respecs. They didn't say they would be getting them. Sorry man. They were as vague as possible about it.
CharCharOdell 1465	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:19:00 - [19] - Quote troll? Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 329	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:19:00 - [20] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Yea if I put 3 million SP into a skill/ vehicle that doesn't exist....um I should have known better? Yea, they said changes will always happen. They said a month ago changes to skill may happen. Use your SP at your own risk, everybody knows this. What you specced into an OP gun....lol. You dummy, you should have known it would be nerfed and the product can change at any whim... The game is free. You do not have anything to complain about...wait...you bought boosters with real money to gain SP and that said SP is now changed or deleted from game? WOW RESPECs are only logical and moral. My chocolate milk does not change into regular milk when I am home from the store. Agh i bought a merc pack and i won't get my SP back for my booster?!?! that's insane. *Assassination is my thing.*

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1387	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:20:00 - [21] - Quote There should be a vehicle respec because I dumped about 3mil sp into vehicle upgrades to make my incubus flight worthy and now they are just taking it out of the game _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7392	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:20:00 - [22] - Quote TuFar Gon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Instead of making a thread to highlight how much you don't understand this game, maybe you should have just stuck to posting in the other thread that's exactly the same as this, without the negative and naive overtones. Yeah maybe as far as the vehicles go,but act like u dont know what im sayin as far as the pphhuking fotm players,,if ccp can manage to give sp back for vehicles only then hell yeah im all for it,,but am sick to death of the constant talk of ** being unfair. U didnt see a respec when the heavy went to ** did u?? Btw your cockholster runs to easily,,like many others in the game who cry-baby their way into getting what they want out of ccp,one of the many downfalls of the game,,,if u dont like what I just said then oh freakin well cuz your not the only one who lost real $$ bcuz of respecs. What u bought then u deal with now,,nuff said Who cares about FoTM Only players with no skills are worried about other players having solid builds. Adapt or die. Red is dead
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 301	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:28:00 - [23] - Quote Sorry dude, but CCP wants to give us the possibility to make educated decisions about our builds. If they remake vehicle from scratch we will 100% get a respec for that. I just hope that they will rebalance dropsuit skill trees soon (proto just tiny bit better than standard) and make shield tanking good again (and then give out a respec again of course). GûîGöéGûêGòæGûîGòæGûîGòæ la+äa+ú-ö-¦ +º-¦a¦Åt-ö-éta¦Ça¦Åa+á -ö+É-öa+¼-öa+ä-¦ a+¼a¦Çll a+áa¦Åt a+úa+ä+¬-ö +Éa¦Åa+ó +ª-¦a¦Åa¦ô t-Æa¦Ça+ú a¦Æ-öa+äa¦ô... GòæGûîGòæGûîGòæGûêGöéGûî
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 493	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:29:00 - [24] - Quote I can't understand why anyone at this point is so vehemently against respecs. This game is floundering like a fish out of water and instead of making the little playerbase that's left happy,people want to **** them off by not giving some sort of SP refund/respec on skills for stuff that's not there anymore? I just don't get it.
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 713	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:32:00 - [25] - Quote I think only skills that get changed/removed should have their SP refunded. Just my .02 ISK "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1696	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:34:00 - [26] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: I can't understand why anyone at this point is so vehemently against respecs. This game is floundering like a fish out of water and instead of making the little playerbase that's left happy,people want to **** them off by not giving some sort of SP refund/respec on skills for stuff that's not there anymore? I just don't get it. I think you've misread most peoples comments. People that are against complete and regular respecs are usually for partial refunds when CCP changes things like with the upcoming vehicle overhaul. CCP said during the last full respec that it would never happen again unless there were drastic changes but there could be partial respecs if features had to be changed. They are radically changing vehicles so a partial respec seems likely.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1230	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:36:00 - [27] - Quote TuFar Gon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Instead of making a thread to highlight how much you don't understand this game, maybe you should have just stuck to posting in the other thread that's exactly the same as this, without the negative and naive overtones. Yeah maybe as far as the vehicles go,but act like u dont know what im sayin as far as the pphhuking fotm players,,if ccp can manage to give sp back for vehicles only then hell yeah im all for it,,but am sick to death of the constant talk of ** being unfair. U didnt see a respec when the heavy went to ** did u?? Btw your cockholster runs to easily,,like many others in the game who cry-baby their way into getting what they want out of ccp,one of the many downfalls of the game,,,if u dont like what I just said then oh freakin well cuz your not the only one who lost real $$ bcuz of respecs. What u bought then u deal with now,,nuff said Have you ever heard of proper grammar? :D
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1230	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:37:00 - [28] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I think only skills that get changed/removed should have their SP refunded. Just my .02 ISK Now everyone is copying Cross :( :D
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 966	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:38:00 - [29] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Sorry man. They were as vague as possible about it. Eh, fair enough. I'll be honest: I'd prefer if they don't do it. I don't like the idea of respecs in general. However, the fact that CCP is hoarding content for a single release, and the fact that they mentioned respecs at all, means it's a point of significant discussion for them in relation to releasing new suits. Were I betting man, I'd place my iskies on it happening. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1825	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:43:00 - [30] - Quote Played today with a guy that had 8 mil SP, he finally figured out what he wanted to do. He's basically wasted 4 mil of his SP trying to figure that out. Even without all the new stuff coming, I think it's beyond stupid not to have away for that guy to specialize. You can't farm rocks and run missions in Dust.



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