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Aqua-Regia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:17:00 -
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I just what more bang for every cent i spent in the game, then dying before using so items because some free suit sniper on the red line kill or get a random locus grenade in the face on the objective. 
This is Aur cost per real money
(Dust AUR)=($.Gé¼.-ú)
(200,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 100.00 - -ú80.00)
(100,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 50.00 - -ú40.00)
(40,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 20.00 - -ú16.00)
(20,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 10.00 - -ú8.00)
(10,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 5.00 - -ú4.00)
(2,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 1.00) (2,500 AUR = -ú 1.00)
(500 AUR = $/Gé¼ .25-ó) (625 AUR = -ú .25)
(200 AUR = $/Gé¼ .10-ó) (250 AUR = -ú .10)
(100 AUR = $/Gé¼ .05-ó) (125 AUR = -ú .05)
(20 AUR = $/Gé¼ .01-ó) (25 AUR = -ú .01)
It may not look overprice, the cost do add up fast for a FPS game when dying is inevitable and especially when you can die in one shot after spawning(CLG,SG,OB,LAV,SR,or just bad blue dots). I Know that BPC is disposable, so why is it feel so overprice to the point that even the new merc pack is influence and not even worth the value of the price.
1) CCP can reduce the cost of the disposable items, like divide the price by 5 .
e.g.
The 'burnstalk' Laser Rifle cost 30 Aur, CCP need to reduce it to 6 Aur.
'Blackprey' ZN-28 Nova Knives 20 Aur can now be 4 Aur.
Fused Locus grenade 15 Aur....never mind.
'Killswitch' Gek-38 Assault Rifle 40 Aur move to 8 Aur.
'Grimlock' assault forge gun 50 Aur lower to 10 Aur.
'LC-217' Saga 100 Aur lower it to 20 AUR.
'CD-41' Myron 200 Aur drop the price to 40 Aur.
'Al-102' Madrugar 300 Aur to 60 Aur.
2) CCP can sell Items in stack / small pack of 5
e.g.
If I buy one Shock assault suit for 80 Aur, I will receive 5 BPC of the items
If I buy two 'Gomorrah' 80GJ particle cannon for 300 Aur, I will receive 10 BPC of so items.
Buying three 'Schizm' repair tool for 120 Aur, I will receive 15 BPC of the repair tool.
If CCP do either one or two the player and ME have the chance of using so items before dying.
Note: As of right now not using anymore Aur gear in pub or pc and even my alt just to many cheap ways to die in this game. Also Aur suit and tank make you a big ass RED target for the hunt.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4862
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:26:00 -
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CCP has done extensive research on this since closed beta using two sources of data:
1. Our feedback
2. Metrics
On the first point, we have been constantly helping CCP back in closed beta to figure out what the optimal prices should be so that these AUR items aren't too cheap but also not too expensive.
On the second point, CCP has been acquiring all sort of data from the background based on our purchase history, trends, etcs. to see which prices need better balancing.
So far, the price is just right in my opinion and I don't see any problem with it.
Besides, these AUR items are only meant to give you a taste of what the higher-tier ISK variants are capable of. They're not meant to be used on a constant basis except for maybe saving ISK.
Besides, often times we get good deals via the bundles which can help reduce the unit cost for you. Have you tried using those instead?
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Syeven Reed
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
138
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:31:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CCP has done extensive research on this since closed beta using two sources of data:
1. Our feedback
2. Metrics
On the first point, we have been constantly helping CCP back in closed beta to figure out what the optimal prices should be so that these AUR items aren't too cheap but also not too expensive.
On the second point, CCP has been acquiring all sort of data from the background based on our purchase history, trends, etcs. to see which prices need better balancing.
So far, the price is just right in my opinion and I don't see any problem with it.
Besides, these AUR items are only meant to give you a taste of what the higher-tier ISK variants are capable of. They're not meant to be used on a constant basis except for maybe saving ISK.
Besides, often times we get good deals via the bundles which can help reduce the unit cost for you. Have you tried using those instead?
Exactly this, its not meant to replace your gear with AUR. Simply put in place until you can use the ISK varients or want to save on money
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
287
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:50:00 -
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AUR is there for n00bs who want to pretend to be proto stompers but cant afford the ISK equipment. Its aswell a short cut to get better weapons sooner. Like getting Proto swarms at lvl3 instead of 5. But the smartest way to use AUR is still skillboosters which increase your SP gain per match and passive. Veteran players who are aswell very active on the game usually get a 3 day active booster in combination with 30 day passive booster to get the max profit out of their cash. And 3 days are usually the time where active players hit the cap and with that any further days on the booster would be useless. If you are however a hardcore 24-7 player you can get your cap in a single day. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1971
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:53:00 -
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The only determining factor for the title of "overpriced" is whether CCP thinks it is. If enough people are willing to pay a pound for a handful of tanks they could lose in an hour of play, then by all means CCP should profit from these mugs.
They've done a good job of making sure that everything has an isk equivalent, so you can't really claim you've been "priced out".
To me, these items are overpriced, but that's based on how much money I'm willing to spend on the game, and as a result I won't be buying them. Simple. This kind of thing doesn't really have an objective standard by which to judge. |
Aqua-Regia
497
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:54:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:CCP has done extensive research on this since closed beta using two sources of data:
Quote:
1. Our feedback
2. Metrics
On the first point, we have been constantly helping CCP back in closed beta to figure out what the optimal prices should be so that these AUR items aren't too cheap but also not too expensive.
On the second point, CCP has been acquiring all sort of data from the background based on our purchase history, trends, etcs. to see which prices need better balancing.
I believe back in Beta most of the player was afraid of the pay and win factor. Now the game been out for a year with all this broken mechanics and game play to the point you can't even survive as a new player or even some old bad player.
Quote:So far, the price is just right in my opinion and I don't see any problem with it.
For you it may be, other may not feel the same.
Quote:Besides, these AUR items are only meant to give you a taste of what the higher-tier ISK variants are capable of. They're not meant to be used on a constant basis except for maybe saving ISK.
If this is true why is all the camo on the Aur weapon and suit? Why do CCP advertise the Aur gear on the market to the point helf of the items is AUR.
Just to test out the higher tier gear? What happen to pick your own playing style in this game.
Quote:
Besides, often times we get good deals via the bundles which can help reduce the unit cost for you. Have you tried using those instead?
Bundles in this game are bad to the point you end up wasting more Aur/money.
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HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
320
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:03:00 -
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They just need better packages.
Proto suit bpo
Proto weapon bpo
Active/passive monthly omega bundles
Let people forget about isk in combat so they can focus more on districts and corp building.
Its not pay to win if you still keep leveling skills the same way.
You are welcome for my leadership
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Aqua-Regia
497
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:04:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:AUR is there for n00bs who want to pretend to be proto stompers but cant afford the ISK equipment. Its aswell a short cut to get better weapons sooner. Like getting Proto swarms at lvl3 instead of 5. But the smartest way to use AUR is still skillboosters which increase your SP gain per match and passive. Veteran players who are aswell very active on the game usually get a 3 day active booster in combination with 30 day passive booster to get the max profit out of their cash. And 3 days are usually the time where active players hit the cap and with that any further days on the booster would be useless. If you are however a hardcore 24-7 player you can get your cap in a single day.
Is it wrong in saving sp for other skill then just go right to proto? Why do most so call vet player think this is a bad thing, for a new player to take a shortcut, is the skill booster a shortcut itself.
What the point of having Aur gear if most of the player call you a fool for not buying the booster instead and hit the cap.
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Aqua-Regia
497
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:08:00 -
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Aur is real money, So why can't the price be lower for the player that used more Aur gear then Isk gear.
Is it bad to support the game and save money at the same time.
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Aqua-Regia
497
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:09:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:They just need better packages.
Proto suit bpo
Proto weapon bpo
Active/passive monthly omega bundles
Let people forget about isk in combat so they can focus more on districts and corp building.
Its not pay to win if you still keep leveling skills the same way.
Why Proto suit and weapon bpo? man people on this forums is crazy.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
100
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:15:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:I just what more bang for every cent i spent in the game, then dying before using so items because some free suit sniper on the red line kill or get a random locus grenade in the face on the objective. This is Aur cost per real money (Dust AUR)=($.Gé¼.-ú) (200,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 100.00 - -ú80.00) (100,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 50.00 - -ú40.00) (40,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 20.00 - -ú16.00) (20,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 10.00 - -ú8.00) (10,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 5.00 - -ú4.00) (2,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 1.00) (2,500 AUR = -ú 1.00) (500 AUR = $/Gé¼ .25-ó) (625 AUR = -ú .25) (200 AUR = $/Gé¼ .10-ó) (250 AUR = -ú .10) (100 AUR = $/Gé¼ .05-ó) (125 AUR = -ú .05) (20 AUR = $/Gé¼ .01-ó) (25 AUR = -ú .01) It may not look overprice, the cost do add up fast for a FPS game when dying is inevitable and especially when you can die in one shot after spawning(CLG,SG,OB,LAV,SR,or just bad blue dots). I Know that BPC is disposable, so why is it feel so overprice to the point that even the new merc pack is influence and not even worth the value of the price. 1) CCP can reduce the cost of the disposable items, like divide the price by 5 . e.g. The 'burnstalk' Laser Rifle cost 30 Aur, CCP need to reduce it to 6 Aur. 'Blackprey' ZN-28 Nova Knives 20 Aur can now be 4 Aur. Fused Locus grenade 15 Aur....never mind. 'Killswitch' Gek-38 Assault Rifle 40 Aur move to 8 Aur. 'Grimlock' assault forge gun 50 Aur lower to 10 Aur. 'LC-217' Saga 100 Aur lower it to 20 AUR. 'CD-41' Myron 200 Aur drop the price to 40 Aur. 'Al-102' Madrugar 300 Aur to 60 Aur. 2) CCP can sell Items in stack / small pack of 5 e.g. If I buy one Shock assault suit for 80 Aur, I will receive 5 BPC of the items If I buy two 'Gomorrah' 80GJ particle cannon for 300 Aur, I will receive 10 BPC of so items. Buying three 'Schizm' repair tool for 120 Aur, I will receive 15 BPC of the repair tool. If CCP do either one or two the player and ME have the chance of using so items before dying. Note: As of right now not using anymore Aur gear in pub or pc and even my alt just to many cheap ways to die in this game. Also Aur suit and tank make you a big ass RED target for the hunt.
Actually i found AUR vehicules pretty cheap.
A Madrugar (actually the best tank in the game) fitted for 300 AUR (0.15Gé¼).
Actually makes you 1 or 2 game.
It's pretty cheap.
You're whining because you're stomped really fast and that cost you money.
And you want to make "pay" items cheaper ?
Then everybody will stomp people that can't pay with Madrugar Pay to wins or vehicules Pay to win.
You can play a full day with 10 Madrugar = 300x10 = 3000 AUR => Only 1.50Gé¼.
And the ISK you've won with these madrugars will not be used.
So you will make ISK for money.
One full day (10 madrugars) you can go approximately play 15 Game. (If you suck at tank).
A game at tank (destroying turrets etc...) you'll won approximately 150.000 ISK per Game.
15x150K = 2.250.000.
And it's if you played 15 match. with TEN tanks. (People playing tanks can't even use 10 Madrugar without running low on ISK.
So actually at the end of the day for only 1.50Gé¼ you earned 2.250.000 ISK.
Won SP.
And play as a tank without ANY skills.
Vehicules have the good AUR price for the moment.
But i agree with you other AUR items should be more interesting.
Module and equipements should be 1/4 of the price in AUR.
Because fitting a full suit cost a lot in AUR and dies pretty fast.
AUR weapons should have an Alternative system.
We could possibly buy the AUR weapon skin.
The price should be 500 AUR. (0.25Gé¼)
And then when you buy (with ISK) the normal version you have your gun with the AUR skin.
But you can still directly buy the AUR weapon (~40AUR).
Same for dropsuits. !!!!
Like that we could buy "skins" and "Camo" that we love without lose AUR each time we die.
And we pay the items (with camo or skins) with ISK like everybody. |
Aqua-Regia
498
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:19:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:The only determining factor for the title of "overpriced" is whether CCP thinks it is. If enough people are willing to pay a pound for a handful of tanks they could lose in an hour of play, then by all means CCP should profit from these mugs.
They've done a good job of making sure that everything has an isk equivalent, so you can't really claim you've been "priced out".
To me, these items are overpriced, but that's based on how much money I'm willing to spend on the game, and as a result I won't be buying them. Simple. This kind of thing doesn't really have an objective standard by which to judge.
That the point it is overprice especially in a game that all about killing each other.
It so funny that the player tell ccp the price is great when it not at all and most of them is hating on the new merc pack.
The reason all the new merc pack is now and gonna be bad in the future is because the aur price is bad on the market.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4865
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:21:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:I believe back in Beta most of the player was afraid of the pay and win factor. Now the game been out for a year with all this broken mechanics and game play to the point you can't even survive as a new player or even some old bad player.
This much is true.
So far, the price is just right in my opinion and I don't see any problem with it.
For you it may be, other may not feel the same.
Speak for yourself. How cheap or how expensive you view things is entirely dependent on how much you are willing to give for a particular merchandise and how much you earn in real life. Simple economics.
If this is true why is all the camo on the Aur weapon and suit? Why do CCP advertise the Aur gear on the market to the point helf of the items is AUR.
Just to test out the higher tier gear? What happen to pick your own playing style in this game.
Picking your own play style is still there. You're just confusing it with AUR items. CCP did specifically state from the very beginning that AUR items will just be there to either save you ISK or give you a taste of what's in the next tier. They never said that it will be tied to your play style. Play style to me is when I take an Ishukone Nova Knife and use it as a primary weapon rather than as a secondary weapon. That's my play style. Using an AUR variant doesn't change my play style.
Bundles in this game are bad to the point you end up wasting more Aur/money.
Not everyone here agree with me about price, but not everyone agrees with you on that same token.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Aqua-Regia
498
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:25:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:
Actually i found AUR vehicules pretty cheap.
A Madrugar (actually the best tank in the game) fitted for 300 AUR (0.15Gé¼).
Actually makes you 1 or 2 game.
It's pretty cheap.
You're whining because you're stomped really fast and that cost you money.
And you want to make "pay" items cheaper ?
Then everybody will stomp people that can't pay with Madrugar Pay to wins or vehicules Pay to win.
You can play a full day with 10 Madrugar = 300x10 = 3000 AUR => Only 1.50Gé¼.
And the ISK you've won with these madrugars will not be used.
So you will make ISK for money.
One full day (10 madrugars) you can go approximately play 15 Game. (If you suck at tank).
A game at tank (destroying turrets etc...) you'll won approximately 150.000 ISK per Game.
15x150K = 2.250.000.
And it's if you played 15 match. with TEN tanks. (People playing tanks can't even use 10 Madrugar without running low on ISK.
So actually at the end of the day for only 1.50Gé¼ you earned 2.250.000 ISK.
Won SP.
And play as a tank without ANY skills.
Vehicules have the good AUR price for the moment.
But i agree with you other AUR items should be more interesting.
Module and equipements should be 1/4 of the price in AUR.
Because fitting a full suit cost a lot in AUR and dies pretty fast.
AUR weapons should have an Alternative system.
We could possibly buy the AUR weapon skin.
The price should be 500 AUR. (0.25Gé¼)
And then when you buy (with ISK) the normal version you have your gun with the AUR skin.
But you can still directly buy the AUR weapon (~40AUR).
Same for dropsuits. !!!!
Like that we could buy "skins" and "Camo" that we love without lose AUR each time we die.
And we pay the items (with camo or skins) with ISK like everybody.
Wouldn't it be better for you and me if the price was reduce?
If you say 'No' you must hate saving money.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4865
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:25:00 -
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Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
144
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:30:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:They just need better packages.
Proto suit bpo
Proto weapon bpo
Active/passive monthly omega bundles
Let people forget about isk in combat so they can focus more on districts and corp building.
Its not pay to win if you still keep leveling skills the same way. Why Proto suit and weapon bpo? man people on this forums is crazy.
It may be crazy, but that's about the only way CCP will get another 100$ out of me. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1356
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:32:00 -
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Aqua, your screaming p2w right now.
I don't like it.
_(* *)>
<( . )> <----he's a penguin
~'''~'''~ Level 1 forum warrior :P
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4866
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:34:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:They just need better packages.
Proto suit bpo
Proto weapon bpo
Active/passive monthly omega bundles
Let people forget about isk in combat so they can focus more on districts and corp building.
Its not pay to win if you still keep leveling skills the same way. Why Proto suit and weapon bpo? man people on this forums is crazy. It may be crazy, but that's about the only way CCP will get another 100$ out of me.
Don't count on it ever coming. If you read CCP's recent announcement at Eve Vegas about the BPOs, they're not going to allow anymore BPOs into the market except what you already have stored in your hangar.
Introducing more BPOs, especially at prototype level, will only undermine the industrial players in Eve Online who will likely be given the power to manufacture our gear for planetary domination. It makes sense anyways that Eve players have control of manufacturing due to the ten years of industry that they have perfected. But that's a different topic altogether. My point is that proto-level BPOs are bad for the incoming-economy.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Aqua-Regia
498
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:43:00 -
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Speak for yourself. How cheap or how expensive you view things is entirely dependent on how much you are willing to give for a particular merchandise and how much you earn in real life. Simple economics.
I have put over +1,000$ in this game and I have never did this with any game. I'm at the point that I see it is truly overprice for a game that all about killing each outer.
Picking your own play style is still there. You're just confusing it with AUR items. CCP did specifically state from the very beginning that AUR items will just be there to either save you ISK or give you a taste of what's in the next tier. They never said that it will be tied to your play style. Play style to me is when I take an Ishukone Nova Knife and use it as a primary weapon rather than as a secondary weapon. That's my play style. Using an AUR variant doesn't change my play style.
Yes It is still there 'picking your own playing style' , it just others make it hard for each other. I'm am not confusing it with Aur items. If a play wish to only used AUR gear to play this game then it a playing style. Your point make no sense to me right now.
Not everyone here agree with me about price, but not everyone agrees with you on that same token.
Do you have to point that out, do I look oblivious to that fact.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4869
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:47:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:
Speak for yourself. How cheap or how expensive you view things is entirely dependent on how much you are willing to give for a particular merchandise and how much you earn in real life. Simple economics.
I have put over +1,000$ in this game and I have never did this with any game. I'm at the point that I see it is truly overprice for a game that all about killing each outer.
Picking your own play style is still there. You're just confusing it with AUR items. CCP did specifically state from the very beginning that AUR items will just be there to either save you ISK or give you a taste of what's in the next tier. They never said that it will be tied to your play style. Play style to me is when I take an Ishukone Nova Knife and use it as a primary weapon rather than as a secondary weapon. That's my play style. Using an AUR variant doesn't change my play style.
Yes It is still there 'picking your own playing style' , it just others make it hard for each other. I'm am not confusing it with Aur items. If a play wish to only used AUR gear to play this game then it a playing style. Your point make no sense to me right now.
Not everyone here agree with me about price, but not everyone agrees with you on that same token.
Do you have to point that out, do I look oblivious to that fact.
Looks like we're trapped in an endless back-n-forth discussion here.
Also, $1,000 into Dust? What? I invested only like $100 into this game.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Aqua-Regia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:48:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Aqua, your screaming p2w right now.
I don't like it.
Your point is now invalid.
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HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:48:00 -
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Eve is a dirty game. People play dirty there. They want to dish it out, lets see if they can handle us.
Ide love to see full scale economy flow both ways. That would be insane.
Start in academy, end in a titan destroying the greats. Thats a story!
You are welcome for my leadership
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4871
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:49:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price.
Reposting
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:49:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Aqua, your screaming p2w right now.
I don't like it. Your point is now invalid.
Care to elaborate?
_(* *)>
<( . )> <----he's a penguin
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Aqua-Regia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:53:00 -
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Looks like we're trapped in an endless back-n-forth discussion here.
true to this.
Also, $1,000 into Dust? What? I invested only like $100 into this game.
That is why I don't think most will feel or see my point of view of the Aur market because the majority spent less than 300$ on this game.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:57:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:That is why I don't think most will feel or see my point of view of the Aur market because the majority spent less than 300$ on this game.
Such wise people.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Aqua-Regia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:57:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price. Reposting
It may be like this in eve, I don't seeing this happen in Dust.
only time will tell.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4871
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:03:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price. Reposting It may be like this in eve, I don't seeing this happen in Dust. only time will tell.
Um... CCP confirmed this...
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=40zjfBk5vEE#t=1830
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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Aqua-Regia
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:09:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Aqua-Regia wrote:That is why I don't think most will feel or see my point of view of the Aur market because the majority spent less than 300$ on this game. Such wise people.
Yes wise people indeed, most of them wait for me to post up the stats on the first day of the items/new merc pack or mail me question is it good or bad before they even buy it.
For any that read this I gonna stop posting up the stats day one on all the new mer pack go find out yourself or find someone else (ungrateful back talker ****) and stop mailing me if I'm gonna buy it on not.
pff calling me a dumb ass for buying **** it this game.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:19:00 -
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Aqua-Regia wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:
Actually i found AUR vehicules pretty cheap.
A Madrugar (actually the best tank in the game) fitted for 300 AUR (0.15Gé¼).
Actually makes you 1 or 2 game.
It's pretty cheap.
You're whining because you're stomped really fast and that cost you money.
And you want to make "pay" items cheaper ?
Then everybody will stomp people that can't pay with Madrugar Pay to wins or vehicules Pay to win.
You can play a full day with 10 Madrugar = 300x10 = 3000 AUR => Only 1.50Gé¼.
And the ISK you've won with these madrugars will not be used.
So you will make ISK for money.
One full day (10 madrugars) you can go approximately play 15 Game. (If you suck at tank).
A game at tank (destroying turrets etc...) you'll won approximately 150.000 ISK per Game.
15x150K = 2.250.000.
And it's if you played 15 match. with TEN tanks. (People playing tanks can't even use 10 Madrugar without running low on ISK.
So actually at the end of the day for only 1.50Gé¼ you earned 2.250.000 ISK.
Won SP.
And play as a tank without ANY skills.
Vehicules have the good AUR price for the moment.
But i agree with you other AUR items should be more interesting.
Module and equipements should be 1/4 of the price in AUR.
Because fitting a full suit cost a lot in AUR and dies pretty fast.
AUR weapons should have an Alternative system.
We could possibly buy the AUR weapon skin.
The price should be 500 AUR. (0.25Gé¼)
And then when you buy (with ISK) the normal version you have your gun with the AUR skin.
But you can still directly buy the AUR weapon (~40AUR).
Same for dropsuits. !!!!
Like that we could buy "skins" and "Camo" that we love without lose AUR each time we die.
And we pay the items (with camo or skins) with ISK like everybody.
Wouldn't it be better for you and me if the price was reduce? If you say 'No' you must hate saving money.
No i hate Pay2win stomping.
If we make exactly as you sad about AUR redction (by 5) it will kill all the balance of the game.
Everybody will play in tank or proto AUR.
And it will kill definitely the Game economy.
Actually you want the death of the game.
So it's a big NO.
AUR vehicules are already SUPER CHEAP.
AUR weapons and module proto/Complex should be half-price but not by 5.
AUR weapons and module STD could be divided by 5 but not the ohers to preserve game economy which is 25% of the game. |
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