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Aqua-Regia 497	Posted - 2013.11.01 19:17:00 - [1] - Quote I just what more bang for every cent i spent in the game, then dying before using so items because some free suit sniper on the red line kill or get a random locus grenade in the face on the objective. This is Aur cost per real money (Dust AUR)=($.Gé¼.-ú) (200,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 100.00 - -ú80.00) (100,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 50.00 - -ú40.00) (40,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 20.00 - -ú16.00) (20,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 10.00 - -ú8.00) (10,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 5.00 - -ú4.00) (2,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 1.00) (2,500 AUR = -ú 1.00) (500 AUR = $/Gé¼ .25-ó) (625 AUR = -ú .25) (200 AUR = $/Gé¼ .10-ó) (250 AUR = -ú .10) (100 AUR = $/Gé¼ .05-ó) (125 AUR = -ú .05) (20 AUR = $/Gé¼ .01-ó) (25 AUR = -ú .01) It may not look overprice, the cost do add up fast for a FPS game when dying is inevitable and especially when you can die in one shot after spawning(CLG,SG,OB,LAV,SR,or just bad blue dots). I Know that BPC is disposable, so why is it feel so overprice to the point that even the new merc pack is influence and not even worth the value of the price. 1) CCP can reduce the cost of the disposable items, like divide the price by 5 . e.g. The 'burnstalk' Laser Rifle cost 30 Aur, CCP need to reduce it to 6 Aur. 'Blackprey' ZN-28 Nova Knives 20 Aur can now be 4 Aur. Fused Locus grenade 15 Aur....never mind. 'Killswitch' Gek-38 Assault Rifle 40 Aur move to 8 Aur. 'Grimlock' assault forge gun 50 Aur lower to 10 Aur. 'LC-217' Saga 100 Aur lower it to 20 AUR. 'CD-41' Myron 200 Aur drop the price to 40 Aur. 'Al-102' Madrugar 300 Aur to 60 Aur. 2) CCP can sell Items in stack / small pack of 5 e.g. If I buy one Shock assault suit for 80 Aur, I will receive 5 BPC of the items If I buy two 'Gomorrah' 80GJ particle cannon for 300 Aur, I will receive 10 BPC of so items. Buying three 'Schizm' repair tool for 120 Aur, I will receive 15 BPC of the repair tool. If CCP do either one or two the player and ME have the chance of using so items before dying. Note: As of right now not using anymore Aur gear in pub or pc and even my alt just to many cheap ways to die in this game. Also Aur suit and tank make you a big ass RED target for the hunt. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 497	Posted - 2013.11.01 19:54:00 - [2] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: CCP has done extensive research on this since closed beta using two sources of data: Quote: 1. Our feedback 2. Metrics On the first point, we have been constantly helping CCP back in closed beta to figure out what the optimal prices should be so that these AUR items aren't too cheap but also not too expensive. On the second point, CCP has been acquiring all sort of data from the background based on our purchase history, trends, etcs. to see which prices need better balancing. I believe back in Beta most of the player was afraid of the pay and win factor. Now the game been out for a year with all this broken mechanics and game play to the point you can't even survive as a new player or even some old bad player. Quote: So far, the price is just right in my opinion and I don't see any problem with it. For you it may be, other may not feel the same. Quote: Besides, these AUR items are only meant to give you a taste of what the higher-tier ISK variants are capable of. They're not meant to be used on a constant basis except for maybe saving ISK. If this is true why is all the camo on the Aur weapon and suit? Why do CCP advertise the Aur gear on the market to the point helf of the items is AUR. Just to test out the higher tier gear? What happen to pick your own playing style in this game. Quote: Besides, often times we get good deals via the bundles which can help reduce the unit cost for you. Have you tried using those instead? Bundles in this game are bad to the point you end up wasting more Aur/money. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 497	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:04:00 - [3] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: AUR is there for n00bs who want to pretend to be proto stompers but cant afford the ISK equipment. Its aswell a short cut to get better weapons sooner. Like getting Proto swarms at lvl3 instead of 5. But the smartest way to use AUR is still skillboosters which increase your SP gain per match and passive. Veteran players who are aswell very active on the game usually get a 3 day active booster in combination with 30 day passive booster to get the max profit out of their cash. And 3 days are usually the time where active players hit the cap and with that any further days on the booster would be useless. If you are however a hardcore 24-7 player you can get your cap in a single day. Is it wrong in saving sp for other skill then just go right to proto? Why do most so call vet player think this is a bad thing, for a new player to take a shortcut, is the skill booster a shortcut itself. What the point of having Aur gear if most of the player call you a fool for not buying the booster instead and hit the cap. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 497	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:08:00 - [4] - Quote Aur is real money, So why can't the price be lower for the player that used more Aur gear then Isk gear. Is it bad to support the game and save money at the same time. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 497	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: They just need better packages. Proto suit bpo Proto weapon bpo Active/passive monthly omega bundles Let people forget about isk in combat so they can focus more on districts and corp building. Its not pay to win if you still keep leveling skills the same way. Why Proto suit and weapon bpo? man people on this forums is crazy. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:19:00 - [6] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The only determining factor for the title of "overpriced" is whether CCP thinks it is. If enough people are willing to pay a pound for a handful of tanks they could lose in an hour of play, then by all means CCP should profit from these mugs. They've done a good job of making sure that everything has an isk equivalent, so you can't really claim you've been "priced out". To me, these items are overpriced, but that's based on how much money I'm willing to spend on the game, and as a result I won't be buying them. Simple. This kind of thing doesn't really have an objective standard by which to judge. That the point it is overprice especially in a game that all about killing each other. It so funny that the player tell ccp the price is great when it not at all and most of them is hating on the new merc pack. The reason all the new merc pack is now and gonna be bad in the future is because the aur price is bad on the market. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:25:00 - [7] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Actually i found AUR vehicules pretty cheap. A Madrugar (actually the best tank in the game) fitted for 300 AUR (0.15Gé¼). Actually makes you 1 or 2 game. It's pretty cheap. You're whining because you're stomped really fast and that cost you money. And you want to make "pay" items cheaper ? Then everybody will stomp people that can't pay with Madrugar Pay to wins or vehicules Pay to win. You can play a full day with 10 Madrugar = 300x10 = 3000 AUR => Only 1.50Gé¼. And the ISK you've won with these madrugars will not be used. So you will make ISK for money. One full day (10 madrugars) you can go approximately play 15 Game. (If you suck at tank). A game at tank (destroying turrets etc...) you'll won approximately 150.000 ISK per Game. 15x150K = 2.250.000. And it's if you played 15 match. with TEN tanks. (People playing tanks can't even use 10 Madrugar without running low on ISK. So actually at the end of the day for only 1.50Gé¼ you earned 2.250.000 ISK. Won SP. And play as a tank without ANY skills. Vehicules have the good AUR price for the moment. But i agree with you other AUR items should be more interesting. Module and equipements should be 1/4 of the price in AUR. Because fitting a full suit cost a lot in AUR and dies pretty fast. AUR weapons should have an Alternative system. We could possibly buy the AUR weapon skin. The price should be 500 AUR. (0.25Gé¼) And then when you buy (with ISK) the normal version you have your gun with the AUR skin. But you can still directly buy the AUR weapon (~40AUR). Same for dropsuits. !!!! Like that we could buy "skins" and "Camo" that we love without lose AUR each time we die. And we pay the items (with camo or skins) with ISK like everybody. Wouldn't it be better for you and me if the price was reduce? If you say 'No' you must hate saving money. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:43:00 - [8] - Quote Speak for yourself. How cheap or how expensive you view things is entirely dependent on how much you are willing to give for a particular merchandise and how much you earn in real life. Simple economics. I have put over +1,000$ in this game and I have never did this with any game. I'm at the point that I see it is truly overprice for a game that all about killing each outer. Picking your own play style is still there. You're just confusing it with AUR items. CCP did specifically state from the very beginning that AUR items will just be there to either save you ISK or give you a taste of what's in the next tier. They never said that it will be tied to your play style. Play style to me is when I take an Ishukone Nova Knife and use it as a primary weapon rather than as a secondary weapon. That's my play style. Using an AUR variant doesn't change my play style. Yes It is still there 'picking your own playing style' , it just others make it hard for each other. I'm am not confusing it with Aur items. If a play wish to only used AUR gear to play this game then it a playing style. Your point make no sense to me right now. Not everyone here agree with me about price, but not everyone agrees with you on that same token. Do you have to point that out, do I look oblivious to that fact. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:48:00 - [9] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Aqua, your screaming p2w right now. I don't like it. Your point is now invalid. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote Looks like we're trapped in an endless back-n-forth discussion here. true to this. Also, $1,000 into Dust? What? I invested only like $100 into this game. That is why I don't think most will feel or see my point of view of the Aur market because the majority spent less than 300$ on this game. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢

Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:57:00 - [11] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price. Reposting It may be like this in eve, I don't seeing this happen in Dust. only time will tell. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:09:00 - [12] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: That is why I don't think most will feel or see my point of view of the Aur market because the majority spent less than 300$ on this game. Such wise people. Yes wise people indeed, most of them wait for me to post up the stats on the first day of the items/new merc pack or mail me question is it good or bad before they even buy it. For any that read this I gonna stop posting up the stats day one on all the new mer pack go find out yourself or find someone else (ungrateful back talker **) and stop mailing me if I'm gonna buy it on not. pff calling me a dumb ass for buying it this game. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:20:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price. Reposting It may be like this in eve, I don't seeing this happen in Dust. only time will tell. Um... CCP confirmed this... Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=40zjfBk5vEE#t=1830 I feel like you being a smart alec. I know the player market coming out 'Soon; say CCP. I just don't see it having a big player Aur item market going, just a small one. New player be selling the Aur item are some poor vet to make isk. Why do Vet need to buy it if the Vet have the skill point or and frickin ISK rich. Poor/new player don't have the isk to buy yet have Aur to buy they own Aur items to used. So what the point in selling Aur items. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: No i hate Pay2win stomping. If we make exactly as you sad about AUR redction (by 5) it will kill all the balance of the game. Everybody will play in tank or proto AUR. And it will kill definitely the Game economy. Actually you want the death of the game. So it's a big NO. AUR vehicules are already SUPER CHEAP. AUR weapons and module proto/Complex should be half-price but not by 5. AUR weapons and module STD could be divided by 5 but not the ohers to preserve game economy which is 25% of the game. What The French **ing about pub stomping you guys are no better, so GTFO. Death of the game, this game, DUST, you can really GTFO, game need money to run unlike most of you cheap . Look like guys don't get the fact pub stomping happen in mostly every game. If you have a pub stomping team on each side you get a great battle, yet this don't happen a lot because most so call pro vet player suck at this game just don't know it. It sad when so call pro vet player is afraid of some new no name player using Aur gear to be competitive. Look to me guys want Aur items to be over price, have CCP make bad mecr pack, vet play to pub stomp easy win, and hide behind the pay to win bull * that not going to happen. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:44:00 - [15] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Is the OP the same guy who bought 3000 AUR grenades then wanted a refund? Or was that someone else? If this 'OP' you're talking about is me then NO it not me. I hate grenades GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 499	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:46:00 - [16] - Quote what dust may / can be If the price was to drop, we may see more player used Aur gear. We may even have more competitive fight / battle. New player willing to pay money on this game and support it unlike most of the OP old player trying to get a easy pubstomp with proto gear. If more player used Aur gear, The Isk payout is bigger each match because Aur gear has a higher Meta Level then the isk gear. Guys be getting pay more isk and may stop using FREE BPO witch low the isk payout per game. More player used BPC gear moving to standard to advanced to prototype gear make each battle pay up more and moving back to competitive fight / battle. ingame economy may finally be in the positive. what we have Aur gear is over price (don't get a lot bang for the money) don't buy. Mass pubstomp one side mostly proto gear the other free suit and BPO. lower Isk payout. Bad new BPC merc pack, don't by you know you going to die. Player can't get by on proto gear start using Free suit to save isk for the next battle. Player that end up saving Isk with free suit get pubstomp and rage on forum QQ. More platey used BPO and free gear. Pubstomp still happen, proto gear player get kill by free gear and rage & QQ large negative impact on the ingame economy. Poor player and new player QQ or quit. Isk payout is lower BPO need to be remove. One group of play remand rich too pubstomp 24/7. Find new way to die less. Camp on top of towers, stay in the redline afk or snipe, LLAV, tank squad pubstomp, and on hit KO weapons spam. Hid behind P2W and Lag why you die. Soon soon soon this game going to get better. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 499	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:53:00 - [17] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Ok, just wondering. Anyway, I think what everyone is trying to say is there comes a point in Dust where you don't need AUR gear, your skills are high enough to use regular gear, and you have the ISK to run regular gear. I am of the thinking that there is no need for any AUR gear, I stick to the passive and active boosters. But that's me. At the same time, CCP needs to make SOME money to justify continued support of the game to Sony. You may feel that the prices are a bit high, but at some point you won't NEED to buy any gear with AUR, and at that point I would imagine you will be as indifferent to the subject as most others are. I don't know, maybe. Player don't need to buy anything with real money anymore once they hit a point in the game and can no longer give two cent about it anymore . GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 499	Posted - 2013.11.01 23:02:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: AUR market is priced the way it is the way it is so that people will skill up for the ISK variant of items, as if most items cost 5-6 AUR, then me buying a veteran pack with 250k AUR would make this game P2W. And one of the few things DUST has over other F2P games is the fact that it is not P2W at the same time. Again the same point someone else made. Your point is now invalid. Veteran pack has 100,000 AUR GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 503	Posted - 2013.11.02 07:08:00 - [19] - Quote 3,000,000 Isk to anyone(3 winner) that post up a good reason (logic that I can agreed on) to why most of the player bass hide behind the pay to win wall. Don't like player using real money on this game, as to even holding the paying player back and making us pay more than need be. Why the ** is booster not p2w, when asking for a price drop on over price Aur item is. Going back to sleep, Rage even after waking up to take a . GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 503	Posted - 2013.11.02 07:10:00 - [20] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I see the line of thinking people have, but I have a hard time believing many of you are working for a living with bills if you feel like the price of AUR is good value. But really it comes down to me wanting to see the game do well. If CCP were to release this game on disk it would be $400 if AUR prices are relative. LMFAO good one +1 GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢

Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:35:00 - [21] - Quote Pay To Win Why this point is invalid(to me) It appears that most of the Dust players base seem to know what is and what is not pay to win in Dust, Yet this is false. Most of the player believe if it has anything to do with paying money it pay to win. So why do player think like this is it because of bad pass game experience, don't have the money or don't feel like putting the money down, a friend told you what is pay to win after reading urbandictionary, don't like someone that has something you don't, or just jumping the bandwagon; At this point I can give a flying pig where you gotten your definition from, as I have my own definition of pay to win. Pay to Win is -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. -gears/items that allow faster rate of XXXX. -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by XXXX way. -gears/items that unlock unique XXXX once paid with real money. -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. -gears/items that prevent you to losing XXXX can only be buy with real money. As you can see my definition don't have the word 'better' in it 'yet'. Now let look at the ingame items (Booster,BPO, and AUR Gears) that you have to used AUR or real world money to get as of right now. BPC Booster -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. YES -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that allow faster rate of Skill point. YES -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by player progress faster than other. YES / Maybe -gears/items that unlock unique XXXX once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. YES -gears/items that prevent you to losing XXXX only be buy with real money. NO BPO Gears -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. YES and NO -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that allow faster rate of ISK by losing less ISK. YES -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by have a bad influence to the in-game economy. YES -gears/items that unlock unique infinite copy of so item once paid with real money. YES -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. YES and NO -gears/items that prevent you to losing ISK can only be buy with real money. YES AUR Gears -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. YES -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that allow faster rate of XXXX. NO -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by XXXX way. NO -gears/items that unlock unique XXXX once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. NO -gears/items that prevent you to losing ISK can only be buy with real money. YES Now if you look at this most of Dust 514 is Pay to Win Right now, so why do Dust player say it not pay to win? The answer is the soon to be Player Market, a market that allow player to sell in game real world money items for in game currency (ISK). This seem to be the only reason why Dust is not Pay to Win Right now, by a in-game feature not even in the game right now (LOL RIGHT). So why is the Pay To Win argument point so 'invalid' to me? Because this game is pay to win till CCP release the open player market to Dust and it open to all in game players. Also don't get way most of the Dust player bass hide behind the P2W wall when the has long been pay to win. Now the real problem I have is the same group of player that hide behind the P2W wall is saying the AUR price on the market is not over price, which I am greatly dumbfounded by. Saying that reducing the price is "P2W" and (trying to)preventing new player or player that used mostly ARU because they don't play this game 24/7 to get a better deal than what on the market. The AUR market is truly over price by how fast you can lose a digital ingame items in a FPS, when killing is about 87% of the game play. An if try to ask for a better price is pay to win, then ** You. To the next point, some of the players (I Know) even claimed that Aur gear is better than the Isk counterpart, Which is not true at all. lets say 2 player has the following skill and weapon (note:if you don't like it get good) "REDone" a some what new player (nice guy) -use a 'Killswitch' Gek-38 assault rifle -Skill assault rifle operation level 1 -has the starter fit medic on "BLUEtwo" a old beta vet that say dumb most of the time -use a Gek-38 assault rifle -Skill assault rifle proficiency level 5 -'Dragonfly' assault Now who will win? A Gek-38 proficiency level 5 has more DPS then a 'Killswitch' Yet Red kill Blue 6 time (funny right) and Blue only kill Red 4 time. Now this is all up to player skill right. Fact is if you get out gun by a 'Killswitch' Gek-38 assault rifle/operation level 1 when using a Gek-38 assault rifle/proficiency level 5 the other player has more FPS skill then you(BLUE). So don't blame P2W because you can't aim. Fact: AUR Gears is the most less pay to win in this game So why can't guys support a price cut? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:47:00 - [22] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: dying in a game costing you REAL money??? forget that. Yes F that. So why can't or will you support a price cut on Aur gear so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:54:00 - [23] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Starter pack and mercenary pack were the only pack worth to buy. The rest cost too much, especially because you can lose it. Compared to other games, dust dlc cost a lot. So will you support a price cut on AUR gear on the market so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? YES/NO GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:30:00 - [24] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: shaman oga wrote: Starter pack and mercenary pack were the only pack worth to buy. The rest cost too much, especially because you can lose it. Compared to other games, dust dlc cost a lot. So will you support a price cut on AUR gear on the market so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? YES/NO Yes it's a good thing, i would suggest better items for packs too. BPO made a pack worth to buy, but CCP started a war against BPOs. Also boosters should be better, they should be all omega booters. Thank you +1 CCP base most of the item price on the new pack base on the Aru market price that why we get so less in the war pack. If the ARU Items price was to be cut down in the market the goods in the newer merc pack will most like be more abundant with items. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 505	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:28:00 - [25] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The people disagreeing with with the OP are folks that are either poor or can't get mom and dad to fork over cash for PSN cards. I honestly feel like a fool for being willing to fork over the amount of money I've spent on this game. That's with having BPOs that could possibly lead to some ISK in the future. If CCP choses not to allow the trading of BPOs I will consider them crooks. Like a used car salesman in the ghetto. I'm still willing to spend money on the game, but they need to understand that I'm not happy with the prices. From an SP standpoint I'm at a point where I don't need to run booster anymore. I still have monthly boosters that I haven't even applied yet. I also don't have to buy AUR items to move up a level because I'll soon have everything that I use at L5. What I would be willing to do is purchase AUR items to allow for me to save ISK, especially if it were a good deal. If it turned out that a month of proto suits was $65 then no way. For example if I wanted to use AUR to run nothing but FW for a few weeks when the FW 2.0 comes out. And before you proto haters chime in, remember that we are playing a FTP game that relies on micro transactions to survive. Even if you can't afford to buy AUR you should still hope like hell others do if you care about the future of the game. This isn't fantasyland where money grows on trees. Thank you for your support and understanding. The sooner player tell CCP about this overprice market and willing buy AUR items if the price was more reasonable for a FPS game. The faster the change happen to the AUR price the better because each months that pass is going to make it harder later on. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 14:37:00 - [26] - Quote Frank Olson Usul wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: [quote=Bright Cloud] What the point of having Aur gear if most of the player call you a fool for not buying the booster instead and hit the cap. People that have a job and/or a family (aka "life") and can't cap a 3x SP event in one day as I see so many do. DUST has a pretty "old" playerbase with many being 30 and older ... That's what AURUM items are for. Exchange money for precious lifetime. Most of the player I try to talk about this are around 17 to 30+ of age. An from most of the reply I get is something like this "Why buy AUR items if you have booster" or"It not worth putting/spending money into this game (if it not BPO)". Yet can't get them to answer one simple question "Do you think AUR gear over price?" and "Will you like CCP to lower the price on the market?" Only reply I get is a change to another subject like how "what Aur gears is good for PC", "why can't we get better items for money"(LOL p2w), to" I need a buff on my XXXX", I can't get even a simple YES or NO to my question. Maybe i'm asking the wrong people are the players trying to avoid the question and topic, maybe the players truly don't give a bread crumbs about the price of AUR gear and items . GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 14:43:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Plans Soon (Gäó) ........................ How about now? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 15:03:00 - [28] - Quote Badonk Adonk wrote: Op you are essentially asking crack addicts if said crack is too expensive.........it's CRACK! The rest of the gaming world feels pity for those poor downtroden Dust junkies. Since the inventory can't run out, why not lower the price by 80% and get more crack addicted customer? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:46:00 - [29] - Quote Badonk Adonk wrote: Ccp would be crazy to devalue the current crop of cash cows, look at the game's population.... they need to milk whoever is spending money and milk them good. The only one CCP be milking will be the poor blind pigeons, even the most hungry crow won't fall for a bad carcass twice when a tasty one is very near. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:58:00 - [30] - Quote low genius wrote: why are you asking for a price reduction when they've been very generous giving out FREE boosters with aur purchases? that just seems greedy. what? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢

Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:17:00 - [31] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: low genius wrote: why are you asking for a price reduction when they've been very generous giving out FREE boosters with aur purchases? that just seems greedy. what? okay I get you, that was a misunderstanding back then I end up overlooking my pass purchase. CCP have yet given anyone even me a FREE BOOSTER for buying gear with AUR. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 517	Posted - 2013.11.04 01:06:00 - [32] - Quote I feel so lonesome, fighting this by myself. I be back tomorrow. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 518	Posted - 2013.11.05 01:57:00 - [33] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Aqua needs to go the Language board of his native tongue. I can't understand this broken English. Is it wrong that I suck at english even after becoming a US citizen. I'm still learning english and the peace loving ways of the american (being lazy) GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 545	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:09:00 - [34] - Quote I hope your reading my bad english CCP GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 545	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:15:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Plans Soon (Gäó) ........................ How about now? Plans =/= Action Either way we're still waiting on the results. I wait for now, if nothing happen in 1 month I be back raging. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢

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