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Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:20:00 - [31] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Overall, this discussion will one day become a moot point once the secondary market arrives and once players are given the power to control the market directly and sell anything (including AUR items) to each other for whatever ISK price they agree to. This way, if your lack real-world money, but have plenty of ISK to spend, then you'll be able to purchase AUR items with ISK from another player... assuming you agree to the other player's price. Reposting It may be like this in eve, I don't seeing this happen in Dust. only time will tell. Um... CCP confirmed this... Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=40zjfBk5vEE#t=1830 I feel like you being a smart alec. I know the player market coming out 'Soon; say CCP. I just don't see it having a big player Aur item market going, just a small one. New player be selling the Aur item are some poor vet to make isk. Why do Vet need to buy it if the Vet have the skill point or and frickin ISK rich. Poor/new player don't have the isk to buy yet have Aur to buy they own Aur items to used. So what the point in selling Aur items. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 810	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:21:00 - [32] - Quote you're welcome to not buy arurum. that is all.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4008	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:37:00 - [33] - Quote The AUR to -ú rate isn't that bad, i brought a 20k aur pack yesterday for -ú8, since you get another 1k AUR free thats 21,000 AUR, that let me buy a week long active and passive booster for the upcoming triple sp event, and it let me get 2 3 day passive boosters as well, in other words -ú8 gets you about 3 weeks worth of boosters of either type, or 1-2 weeks of both. and jesus man, a $1000? i haven't even spent -ú50 on this game... Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 218	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:39:00 - [34] - Quote Is the OP the same guy who bought 3000 AUR grenades then wanted a refund? Or was that someone else?
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:40:00 - [35] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: No i hate Pay2win stomping. If we make exactly as you sad about AUR redction (by 5) it will kill all the balance of the game. Everybody will play in tank or proto AUR. And it will kill definitely the Game economy. Actually you want the death of the game. So it's a big NO. AUR vehicules are already SUPER CHEAP. AUR weapons and module proto/Complex should be half-price but not by 5. AUR weapons and module STD could be divided by 5 but not the ohers to preserve game economy which is 25% of the game. What The French **ing about pub stomping you guys are no better, so GTFO. Death of the game, this game, DUST, you can really GTFO, game need money to run unlike most of you cheap . Look like guys don't get the fact pub stomping happen in mostly every game. If you have a pub stomping team on each side you get a great battle, yet this don't happen a lot because most so call pro vet player suck at this game just don't know it. It sad when so call pro vet player is afraid of some new no name player using Aur gear to be competitive. Look to me guys want Aur items to be over price, have CCP make bad mecr pack, vet play to pub stomp easy win, and hide behind the pay to win bull * that not going to happen. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 304	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:41:00 - [36] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: They just need better packages. Proto suit bpo Proto weapon bpo Active/passive monthly omega bundles Let people forget about isk in combat so they can focus more on districts and corp building. Its not pay to win if you still keep leveling skills the same way. Why Proto suit and weapon bpo? man people on this forums is crazy. He must be joking because proto BPO would decimate the future economy. Also BPC are all multi-use items so a single one would work 10+ times. If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Aqua-Regia 498	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:44:00 - [37] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Is the OP the same guy who bought 3000 AUR grenades then wanted a refund? Or was that someone else? If this 'OP' you're talking about is me then NO it not me. I hate grenades GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 218	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:50:00 - [38] - Quote Ok, just wondering. Anyway, I think what everyone is trying to say is there comes a point in Dust where you don't need AUR gear, your skills are high enough to use regular gear, and you have the ISK to run regular gear. I am of the thinking that there is no need for any AUR gear, I stick to the passive and active boosters. But that's me. At the same time, CCP needs to make SOME money to justify continued support of the game to Sony. You may feel that the prices are a bit high, but at some point you won't NEED to buy any gear with AUR, and at that point I would imagine you will be as indifferent to the subject as most others are.
Defy Gravity Unreal-MoFos 129	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:54:00 - [39] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: I just what more bang for every cent i spent in the game, then dying before using so items because some free suit sniper on the red line kill or get a random locus grenade in the face on the objective. This is Aur cost per real money (Dust AUR)=($.Gé¼.-ú) (200,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 100.00 - -ú80.00) (100,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 50.00 - -ú40.00) (40,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 20.00 - -ú16.00) (20,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 10.00 - -ú8.00) (10,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 5.00 - -ú4.00) (2,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 1.00) (2,500 AUR = -ú 1.00) (500 AUR = $/Gé¼ .25-ó) (625 AUR = -ú .25) (200 AUR = $/Gé¼ .10-ó) (250 AUR = -ú .10) (100 AUR = $/Gé¼ .05-ó) (125 AUR = -ú .05) (20 AUR = $/Gé¼ .01-ó) (25 AUR = -ú .01) It may not look overprice, the cost do add up fast for a FPS game when dying is inevitable and especially when you can die in one shot after spawning(CLG,SG,OB,LAV,SR,or just bad blue dots). I Know that BPC is disposable, so why is it feel so overprice to the point that even the new merc pack is influence and not even worth the value of the price. 1) CCP can reduce the cost of the disposable items, like divide the price by 5 . e.g. The 'burnstalk' Laser Rifle cost 30 Aur, CCP need to reduce it to 6 Aur. 'Blackprey' ZN-28 Nova Knives 20 Aur can now be 4 Aur. Fused Locus grenade 15 Aur....never mind. 'Killswitch' Gek-38 Assault Rifle 40 Aur move to 8 Aur. 'Grimlock' assault forge gun 50 Aur lower to 10 Aur. 'LC-217' Saga 100 Aur lower it to 20 AUR. 'CD-41' Myron 200 Aur drop the price to 40 Aur. 'Al-102' Madrugar 300 Aur to 60 Aur. 2) CCP can sell Items in stack / small pack of 5 e.g. If I buy one Shock assault suit for 80 Aur, I will receive 5 BPC of the items If I buy two 'Gomorrah' 80GJ particle cannon for 300 Aur, I will receive 10 BPC of so items. Buying three 'Schizm' repair tool for 120 Aur, I will receive 15 BPC of the repair tool. If CCP do either one or two the player and ME have the chance of using so items before dying. Note: As of right now not using anymore Aur gear in pub or pc and even my alt just to many cheap ways to die in this game. Also Aur suit and tank make you a big ass RED target for the hunt. Actually i found AUR vehicules pretty cheap. A Madrugar (actually the best tank in the game) fitted for 300 AUR (0.15Gé¼). Actually makes you 1 or 2 game. It's pretty cheap. You're whining because you're stomped really fast and that cost you money. And you want to make "pay" items cheaper ? Then everybody will stomp people that can't pay with Madrugar Pay to wins or vehicules Pay to win. You can play a full day with 10 Madrugar = 300x10 = 3000 AUR => Only 1.50Gé¼. And the ISK you've won with these madrugars will not be used. So you will make ISK for money. One full day (10 madrugars) you can go approximately play 15 Game. (If you suck at tank). A game at tank (destroying turrets etc...) you'll won approximately 150.000 ISK per Game. 15x150K = 2.250.000. And it's if you played 15 match. with TEN tanks. (People playing tanks can't even use 10 Madrugar without running low on ISK. So actually at the end of the day for only 1.50Gé¼ you earned 2.250.000 ISK. Won SP. And play as a tank without ANY skills. Vehicules have the good AUR price for the moment. But i agree with you other AUR items should be more interesting. Module and equipements should be 1/4 of the price in AUR. Because fitting a full suit cost a lot in AUR and dies pretty fast. AUR weapons should have an Alternative system. We could possibly buy the AUR weapon skin. The price should be 500 AUR. (0.25Gé¼) And then when you buy (with ISK) the normal version you have your gun with the AUR skin. (Like an BPO AUR but you pay iSK). But you can still directly buy the AUR weapon (~40AUR). Same for dropsuits. !!!! Like that we could buy "skins" and "Camo" that we love without lose AUR each time we die. And we pay the items (with camo or skins) with ISK like everybody. This makes me laugh how you say that 10 madrugars are good for a day LOL you need like 30 to last a day. If your not being killed by a forge gun its proto av grenades that reck your day. "And play as a tank without any skills!" You NEED skills for a tank. Really stfu you dont know tanking in this game. GÇ£War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.GÇ¥ GÇò George Orwell
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1796	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:03:00 - [40] - Quote Just when I thought the forums couldn't get more stupid I read about people defending ridiculously overpriced items. However you want to dress it up, I know people including myself that have spent easily 4x the amount they've ever spent in any other game. I'm a grown up and I earn a decent living so I'll probably continue to spend money on the game, but it's too much. Just to run boosters it's in the range of $20/month to run active and passive. So in a year you could easily spend $240 on this game without any expendables. When the LP boosters come out you can push that to over $300. If you got that number down to around $60-$120 you'd see more people become paying customers.

Aqua-Regia 499	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:46:00 - [41] - Quote what dust may / can be If the price was to drop, we may see more player used Aur gear. We may even have more competitive fight / battle. New player willing to pay money on this game and support it unlike most of the OP old player trying to get a easy pubstomp with proto gear. If more player used Aur gear, The Isk payout is bigger each match because Aur gear has a higher Meta Level then the isk gear. Guys be getting pay more isk and may stop using FREE BPO witch low the isk payout per game. More player used BPC gear moving to standard to advanced to prototype gear make each battle pay up more and moving back to competitive fight / battle. ingame economy may finally be in the positive. what we have Aur gear is over price (don't get a lot bang for the money) don't buy. Mass pubstomp one side mostly proto gear the other free suit and BPO. lower Isk payout. Bad new BPC merc pack, don't by you know you going to die. Player can't get by on proto gear start using Free suit to save isk for the next battle. Player that end up saving Isk with free suit get pubstomp and rage on forum QQ. More platey used BPO and free gear. Pubstomp still happen, proto gear player get kill by free gear and rage & QQ large negative impact on the ingame economy. Poor player and new player QQ or quit. Isk payout is lower BPO need to be remove. One group of play remand rich too pubstomp 24/7. Find new way to die less. Camp on top of towers, stay in the redline afk or snipe, LLAV, tank squad pubstomp, and on hit KO weapons spam. Hid behind P2W and Lag why you die. Soon soon soon this game going to get better. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 499	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:53:00 - [42] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Ok, just wondering. Anyway, I think what everyone is trying to say is there comes a point in Dust where you don't need AUR gear, your skills are high enough to use regular gear, and you have the ISK to run regular gear. I am of the thinking that there is no need for any AUR gear, I stick to the passive and active boosters. But that's me. At the same time, CCP needs to make SOME money to justify continued support of the game to Sony. You may feel that the prices are a bit high, but at some point you won't NEED to buy any gear with AUR, and at that point I would imagine you will be as indifferent to the subject as most others are. I don't know, maybe. Player don't need to buy anything with real money anymore once they hit a point in the game and can no longer give two cent about it anymore . GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 524	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:55:00 - [43] - Quote AUR market is priced the way it is the way it is so that people will skill up for the ISK variant of items, as if most items cost 5-6 AUR, then me buying a veteran pack with 250k AUR would make this game P2W. And one of the few things DUST has over other F2P games is the fact that it is not P2W at the same time. I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Aqua-Regia 499	Posted - 2013.11.01 23:02:00 - [44] - Quote Atiim wrote: AUR market is priced the way it is the way it is so that people will skill up for the ISK variant of items, as if most items cost 5-6 AUR, then me buying a veteran pack with 250k AUR would make this game P2W. And one of the few things DUST has over other F2P games is the fact that it is not P2W at the same time. Again the same point someone else made. Your point is now invalid. Veteran pack has 100,000 AUR GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1797	Posted - 2013.11.02 00:02:00 - [45] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: Atiim wrote: AUR market is priced the way it is the way it is so that people will skill up for the ISK variant of items, as if most items cost 5-6 AUR, then me buying a veteran pack with 250k AUR would make this game P2W. And one of the few things DUST has over other F2P games is the fact that it is not P2W at the same time. Again the same point someone else made. Your point is now invalid. Veteran pack has 100,000 AUR And it had stuff that was arguably worth the money. The new packs are similarly priced but provide a fraction of the value. Would people really not use their SP if AUR items were cheaper? I guess I'm not seeing the point. If a person kept their AR at L2 or whatever and used the AUR GEK they wouldn't be paying to win, they wouldn't have the AR skills to make the weapon shine. I see the line of thinking people have, but I have a hard time believing many of you are working for a living with bills if you feel like the price of AUR is good value. But really it comes down to me wanting to see the game do well. If CCP were to release this game on disk it would be $400 if AUR prices are relative.
Lorhak Gannarsein 522	Posted - 2013.11.02 00:34:00 - [46] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: I just what more bang for every cent i spent in the game, then dying before using so items because some free suit sniper on the red line kill or get a random locus grenade in the face on the objective. This is Aur cost per real money (Dust AUR)=($.Gé¼.-ú) (200,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 100.00 - -ú80.00) (100,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 50.00 - -ú40.00) (40,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 20.00 - -ú16.00) (20,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 10.00 - -ú8.00) (10,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 5.00 - -ú4.00) (2,000 AUR = $/Gé¼ 1.00) (2,500 AUR = -ú 1.00) (500 AUR = $/Gé¼ .25-ó) (625 AUR = -ú .25) (200 AUR = $/Gé¼ .10-ó) (250 AUR = -ú .10) (100 AUR = $/Gé¼ .05-ó) (125 AUR = -ú .05) (20 AUR = $/Gé¼ .01-ó) (25 AUR = -ú .01) It may not look overprice, the cost do add up fast for a FPS game when dying is inevitable and especially when you can die in one shot after spawning(CLG,SG,OB,LAV,SR,or just bad blue dots). I Know that BPC is disposable, so why is it feel so overprice to the point that even the new merc pack is influence and not even worth the value of the price. 1) CCP can reduce the cost of the disposable items, like divide the price by 5 . e.g. The 'burnstalk' Laser Rifle cost 30 Aur, CCP need to reduce it to 6 Aur. 'Blackprey' ZN-28 Nova Knives 20 Aur can now be 4 Aur. Fused Locus grenade 15 Aur....never mind. 'Killswitch' Gek-38 Assault Rifle 40 Aur move to 8 Aur. 'Grimlock' assault forge gun 50 Aur lower to 10 Aur. 'LC-217' Saga 100 Aur lower it to 20 AUR. 'CD-41' Myron 200 Aur drop the price to 40 Aur. 'Al-102' Madrugar 300 Aur to 60 Aur. 2) CCP can sell Items in stack / small pack of 5 e.g. If I buy one Shock assault suit for 80 Aur, I will receive 5 BPC of the items If I buy two 'Gomorrah' 80GJ particle cannon for 300 Aur, I will receive 10 BPC of so items. Buying three 'Schizm' repair tool for 120 Aur, I will receive 15 BPC of the repair tool. If CCP do either one or two the player and ME have the chance of using so items before dying. Note: As of right now not using anymore Aur gear in pub or pc and even my alt just to many cheap ways to die in this game. Also Aur suit and tank make you a big ass RED target for the hunt. Actually i found AUR vehicules pretty cheap. A Madrugar (actually the best tank in the game) fitted for 300 AUR (0.15Gé¼). Actually makes you 1 or 2 game. It's pretty cheap. You're whining because you're stomped really fast and that cost you money. And you want to make "pay" items cheaper ? Then everybody will stomp people that can't pay with Madrugar Pay to wins or vehicules Pay to win. You can play a full day with 10 Madrugar = 300x10 = 3000 AUR => Only 1.50Gé¼. And the ISK you've won with these madrugars will not be used. So you will make ISK for money. One full day (10 madrugars) you can go approximately play 15 Game. (If you suck at tank). A game at tank (destroying turrets etc...) you'll won approximately 150.000 ISK per Game. 15x150K = 2.250.000. And it's if you played 15 match. with TEN tanks. (People playing tanks can't even use 10 Madrugar without running low on ISK. So actually at the end of the day for only 1.50Gé¼ you earned 2.250.000 ISK. Won SP. And play as a tank without ANY skills. Vehicules have the good AUR price for the moment. But i agree with you other AUR items should be more interesting. Module and equipements should be 1/4 of the price in AUR. Because fitting a full suit cost a lot in AUR and dies pretty fast. AUR weapons should have an Alternative system. We could possibly buy the AUR weapon skin. The price should be 500 AUR. (0.25Gé¼) And then when you buy (with ISK) the normal version you have your gun with the AUR skin. (Like an BPO AUR but you pay iSK). But you can still directly buy the AUR weapon (~40AUR). Same for dropsuits. !!!! Like that we could buy "skins" and "Camo" that we love without lose AUR each time we die. And we pay the items (with camo or skins) with ISK like everybody. This makes me laugh how you say that 10 madrugars are good for a day LOL you need like 30 to last a day. If your not being killed by a forge gun its proto av grenades that reck your day. "And play as a tank without any skills!" You NEED skills for a tank. Really stfu you dont know tanking in this game. ha apparently you don't know jack about tanking either :) you drop ten mil ISK a day on tanking? scrub. At any rate, I'm about $500 down the rabbit hole (although I'm including my $250 headset in that cost :P). I'm unhappy with the AUR prices of everything BUT tanks; they're actually the most AUR efficient items in the game; I know what I'll be using to transfer my AUR to ISK when the player market comes out... gonna drop 150AUR each on proto turrets and sell 'em at a 10% markdown or something. (so about 400k per :P) Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Aqua-Regia 503	Posted - 2013.11.02 07:08:00 - [47] - Quote 3,000,000 Isk to anyone(3 winner) that post up a good reason (logic that I can agreed on) to why most of the player bass hide behind the pay to win wall. Don't like player using real money on this game, as to even holding the paying player back and making us pay more than need be. Why the ** is booster not p2w, when asking for a price drop on over price Aur item is. Going back to sleep, Rage even after waking up to take a . GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 503	Posted - 2013.11.02 07:10:00 - [48] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I see the line of thinking people have, but I have a hard time believing many of you are working for a living with bills if you feel like the price of AUR is good value. But really it comes down to me wanting to see the game do well. If CCP were to release this game on disk it would be $400 if AUR prices are relative. LMFAO good one +1 GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:35:00 - [49] - Quote Pay To Win Why this point is invalid(to me) It appears that most of the Dust players base seem to know what is and what is not pay to win in Dust, Yet this is false. Most of the player believe if it has anything to do with paying money it pay to win. So why do player think like this is it because of bad pass game experience, don't have the money or don't feel like putting the money down, a friend told you what is pay to win after reading urbandictionary, don't like someone that has something you don't, or just jumping the bandwagon; At this point I can give a flying pig where you gotten your definition from, as I have my own definition of pay to win. Pay to Win is -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. -gears/items that allow faster rate of XXXX. -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by XXXX way. -gears/items that unlock unique XXXX once paid with real money. -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. -gears/items that prevent you to losing XXXX can only be buy with real money. As you can see my definition don't have the word 'better' in it 'yet'. Now let look at the ingame items (Booster,BPO, and AUR Gears) that you have to used AUR or real world money to get as of right now. BPC Booster -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. YES -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that allow faster rate of Skill point. YES -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by player progress faster than other. YES / Maybe -gears/items that unlock unique XXXX once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. YES -gears/items that prevent you to losing XXXX only be buy with real money. NO BPO Gears -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. YES and NO -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that allow faster rate of ISK by losing less ISK. YES -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by have a bad influence to the in-game economy. YES -gears/items that unlock unique infinite copy of so item once paid with real money. YES -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. YES and NO -gears/items that prevent you to losing ISK can only be buy with real money. YES AUR Gears -gears/items that can only be buy with real money. YES -gears/items that you find that can only be used once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that allow faster rate of XXXX. NO -gears/items that make the game unbalanced by XXXX way. NO -gears/items that unlock unique XXXX once paid with real money. NO -gears/items that has no in game counterpart can only be buy with real money. NO -gears/items that prevent you to losing ISK can only be buy with real money. YES Now if you look at this most of Dust 514 is Pay to Win Right now, so why do Dust player say it not pay to win? The answer is the soon to be Player Market, a market that allow player to sell in game real world money items for in game currency (ISK). This seem to be the only reason why Dust is not Pay to Win Right now, by a in-game feature not even in the game right now (LOL RIGHT). So why is the Pay To Win argument point so 'invalid' to me? Because this game is pay to win till CCP release the open player market to Dust and it open to all in game players. Also don't get way most of the Dust player bass hide behind the P2W wall when the has long been pay to win. Now the real problem I have is the same group of player that hide behind the P2W wall is saying the AUR price on the market is not over price, which I am greatly dumbfounded by. Saying that reducing the price is "P2W" and (trying to)preventing new player or player that used mostly ARU because they don't play this game 24/7 to get a better deal than what on the market. The AUR market is truly over price by how fast you can lose a digital ingame items in a FPS, when killing is about 87% of the game play. An if try to ask for a better price is pay to win, then ** You. To the next point, some of the players (I Know) even claimed that Aur gear is better than the Isk counterpart, Which is not true at all. lets say 2 player has the following skill and weapon (note:if you don't like it get good) "REDone" a some what new player (nice guy) -use a 'Killswitch' Gek-38 assault rifle -Skill assault rifle operation level 1 -has the starter fit medic on "BLUEtwo" a old beta vet that say dumb most of the time -use a Gek-38 assault rifle -Skill assault rifle proficiency level 5 -'Dragonfly' assault Now who will win? A Gek-38 proficiency level 5 has more DPS then a 'Killswitch' Yet Red kill Blue 6 time (funny right) and Blue only kill Red 4 time. Now this is all up to player skill right. Fact is if you get out gun by a 'Killswitch' Gek-38 assault rifle/operation level 1 when using a Gek-38 assault rifle/proficiency level 5 the other player has more FPS skill then you(BLUE). So don't blame P2W because you can't aim. Fact: AUR Gears is the most less pay to win in this game So why can't guys support a price cut? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Scheherazade VII Expert Intervention Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:42:00 - [50] - Quote dying in a game costing you REAL money??? forget that. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ

Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:47:00 - [51] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: dying in a game costing you REAL money??? forget that. Yes F that. So why can't or will you support a price cut on Aur gear so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 874	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:52:00 - [52] - Quote Starter pack and mercenary pack were the only pack worth to buy. The rest cost too much, especially because you can lose it. Compared to other games, dust dlc cost a lot. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:54:00 - [53] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Starter pack and mercenary pack were the only pack worth to buy. The rest cost too much, especially because you can lose it. Compared to other games, dust dlc cost a lot. So will you support a price cut on AUR gear on the market so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? YES/NO GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 874	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:11:00 - [54] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: shaman oga wrote: Starter pack and mercenary pack were the only pack worth to buy. The rest cost too much, especially because you can lose it. Compared to other games, dust dlc cost a lot. So will you support a price cut on AUR gear on the market so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? YES/NO Yes it's a good thing, i would suggest better items for packs too. BPO made a pack worth to buy, but CCP started a war against BPOs. Also boosters should be better, they should be all omega booters. "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Aqua-Regia 504	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:30:00 - [55] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: shaman oga wrote: Starter pack and mercenary pack were the only pack worth to buy. The rest cost too much, especially because you can lose it. Compared to other games, dust dlc cost a lot. So will you support a price cut on AUR gear on the market so other can get more out of the money they spent on this game? YES/NO Yes it's a good thing, i would suggest better items for packs too. BPO made a pack worth to buy, but CCP started a war against BPOs. Also boosters should be better, they should be all omega booters. Thank you +1 CCP base most of the item price on the new pack base on the Aru market price that why we get so less in the war pack. If the ARU Items price was to be cut down in the market the goods in the newer merc pack will most like be more abundant with items. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1815	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:57:00 - [56] - Quote The people disagreeing with with the OP are folks that are either poor or can't get mom and dad to fork over cash for PSN cards. I honestly feel like a fool for being willing to fork over the amount of money I've spent on this game. That's with having BPOs that could possibly lead to some ISK in the future. If CCP choses not to allow the trading of BPOs I will consider them crooks. Like a used car salesman in the ghetto. I'm still willing to spend money on the game, but they need to understand that I'm not happy with the prices. From an SP standpoint I'm at a point where I don't need to run booster anymore. I still have monthly boosters that I haven't even applied yet. I also don't have to buy AUR items to move up a level because I'll soon have everything that I use at L5. What I would be willing to do is purchase AUR items to allow for me to save ISK, especially if it were a good deal. If it turned out that a month of proto suits was $65 then no way. For example if I wanted to use AUR to run nothing but FW for a few weeks when the FW 2.0 comes out. And before you proto haters chime in, remember that we are playing a FTP game that relies on micro transactions to survive. Even if you can't afford to buy AUR you should still hope like hell others do if you care about the future of the game. This isn't fantasyland where money grows on trees.
Aqua-Regia 505	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:28:00 - [57] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The people disagreeing with with the OP are folks that are either poor or can't get mom and dad to fork over cash for PSN cards. I honestly feel like a fool for being willing to fork over the amount of money I've spent on this game. That's with having BPOs that could possibly lead to some ISK in the future. If CCP choses not to allow the trading of BPOs I will consider them crooks. Like a used car salesman in the ghetto. I'm still willing to spend money on the game, but they need to understand that I'm not happy with the prices. From an SP standpoint I'm at a point where I don't need to run booster anymore. I still have monthly boosters that I haven't even applied yet. I also don't have to buy AUR items to move up a level because I'll soon have everything that I use at L5. What I would be willing to do is purchase AUR items to allow for me to save ISK, especially if it were a good deal. If it turned out that a month of proto suits was $65 then no way. For example if I wanted to use AUR to run nothing but FW for a few weeks when the FW 2.0 comes out. And before you proto haters chime in, remember that we are playing a FTP game that relies on micro transactions to survive. Even if you can't afford to buy AUR you should still hope like hell others do if you care about the future of the game. This isn't fantasyland where money grows on trees. Thank you for your support and understanding. The sooner player tell CCP about this overprice market and willing buy AUR items if the price was more reasonable for a FPS game. The faster the change happen to the AUR price the better because each months that pass is going to make it harder later on. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9838	Posted - 2013.11.03 10:09:00 - [58] - Quote Plans Soon (tm) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Curren/t Theme \\= Advanced Heavy Machine Gun =// Unlocked.
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 38	Posted - 2013.11.03 11:37:00 - [59] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: [quote=Bright Cloud] What the point of having Aur gear if most of the player call you a fool for not buying the booster instead and hit the cap. People that have a job and/or a family (aka "life") and can't cap a 3x SP event in one day as I see so many do. DUST has a pretty "old" playerbase with many being 30 and older ... That's what AURUM items are for. Exchange money for precious lifetime.
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 14:37:00 - [60] - Quote Frank Olson Usul wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: [quote=Bright Cloud] What the point of having Aur gear if most of the player call you a fool for not buying the booster instead and hit the cap. People that have a job and/or a family (aka "life") and can't cap a 3x SP event in one day as I see so many do. DUST has a pretty "old" playerbase with many being 30 and older ... That's what AURUM items are for. Exchange money for precious lifetime. Most of the player I try to talk about this are around 17 to 30+ of age. An from most of the reply I get is something like this "Why buy AUR items if you have booster" or"It not worth putting/spending money into this game (if it not BPO)". Yet can't get them to answer one simple question "Do you think AUR gear over price?" and "Will you like CCP to lower the price on the market?" Only reply I get is a change to another subject like how "what Aur gears is good for PC", "why can't we get better items for money"(LOL p2w), to" I need a buff on my XXXX", I can't get even a simple YES or NO to my question. Maybe i'm asking the wrong people are the players trying to avoid the question and topic, maybe the players truly don't give a bread crumbs about the price of AUR gear and items . GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢



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