DUST Search - Splash is the problem, from Mass Drivers to Flaylocks to Forges

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

Reiki Jubo wrote:

get over your weapon for 2 secs and realize he's not whining about anything. he's talking about how splash is a problem

It took me a while to see what you mean by 'not whining', but eventually I got it. If you look close enough you can interpret the OP to actually be:

Tolen Rosas wrote:

Good day, fellow forumers. I am here to discuss in a what I hope will only escalate to a lightly heated debate on an issue I've noticed with splash damage.

Now, given months of meditation, I've come to realise that splash damage is, in fact, not perfect. Indeed, weapons in DUST 514 which harness explosive damage seem to require less effort to wield and use effectively than their plasma/projectile/laser counterparts.

The main reason for this, I believe, is the small difference between splash and direct damage.

This needs to be addressed, CCP. I understand that direct hits require great skill and rarely occur, but surely the damage from the splash of these projectiles can't be dealing this much damage? Personally, my suggestion would be to reduce splash radius and splash damage, however I will leave the actual numbers up to your balancing team who has superior knowledge on balancing to me.

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Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 282	Posted - 2013.11.01 11:58:00 - [1] - Quote the real problem is the horrible way splash dmg is done in this game. this is a shooter where these noob tube weapons make it so u dont have to aim. even worse they do basically the same splash damage as when you hit them directly. fix this crap CCP! If u hit someone direct fine? but if u depend on splash to do dmg the amt of dmg should be much less. lower splash on all handheld wpns to 1m and make the dmg 30% of direct.
Ulme Mees Eesti Leegion 31	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:01:00 - [2] - Quote Disagree. Fear is a disease!
Lorhak Gannarsein 514	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:05:00 - [3] - Quote lolnope. There are two weapons with equivalent splash and direct damage. Those are the Flaylock and the grenade. And considering that direct damage gets splash applied to the target too... well, lolnope. EDIT: also, I hope you realise that forge splash is like one seventh of its direct damage... Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1667	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:10:00 - [4] - Quote AoE weapons have been balanced so that AR reigns supreme yet again. Did someone hurt your feelings with a mass driver?
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 176	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:11:00 - [5] - Quote +1 the radius for splash weapons is much too large. MD prime example of how poor CCP is at coding splash.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 103	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:13:00 - [6] - Quote Sounds like OP got his (m)ass drivered, don't be so butthurt bro, it'll heal up!
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:14:00 - [7] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: AoE weapons have been balanced so that AR reigns supreme yet again. Did someone hurt your feelings with a mass driver? this doesnt make sense and probly just means ur a MD user who depends on not aiming. there's no way splash should be anything close to direct dmg or be a large radius unless its a grenade or missile launcher. What other shooter gives u credit for being close. its ludicrous.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 889	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:15:00 - [8] - Quote Yes because 120 splash is soooo much! There is nothing wrong with splash, there is something wrong with your tactics! If we change it, we will get COD, where a guy takes a rocket to the face and just shrugs it off! Try countering and stop whining! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 616	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:21:00 - [9] - Quote Splash is the problem? Really? I could of sworn it was the Plasma Rifle that functions as a fully-automatic sniper rifle. That just might be me though. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Paran Tadec Ancient Exiles 1531	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:26:00 - [10] - Quote Lol don't have to aim argument back? So I can shoot in the opposite direction and shrill get a kill on you? Fact is you have to aim with the mass driver some and it takes longer to kill with them at. I finally put sp into ar and my kdr is on the rise.that should tell you something. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 234	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:27:00 - [11] - Quote The splash damage i do when i **** from up the top of a tree to down below has a big radius, but it has less damage.
Ulme Mees Eesti Leegion 31	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:36:00 - [12] - Quote I don't get it why whine on MD splash when like 90% of the kills are from AR's. And yes MD is my weapon of choice but most of my kills avarage around 10-30 meters from me. Over 30 meters and the slow flying MD rounds are easy to avoid (you can see and hear them flying) if I don't predict your movement and lead the shot. Keep your distance and you are fine against MD. Fear is a disease!
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 889	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote Ulme Mees wrote: I don't get it why whine on MD splash when like 90% of the kills are from AR's. And yes MD is my weapon of choice but most of my kills avarage around 10-30 meters from me. Over 30 meters and the slow flying MD rounds are easy to avoid (you can see and hear them flying) if I don't predict your movement and lead the shot. Keep your distance and you are fine against MD. Amen The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1691	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:40:00 - [14] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: The splash damage i do when i ** from up the top of a tree to down below has a big radius, but it has less damage. Now, Aaron my friend, what the are you doing *ing from a tree in the first place? Oh and my own MD doesn't discriminate between my HP and the enemy's HP, so if I screw up I end up killing myself a lot. Not to mention how easy it is to teamkill with them in PC, and soon FW. I think they're fine. I'll agree forge guns should get nerfed to hell and back, though, because I've got opinions. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland*
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 620	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:42:00 - [15] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Now, Aaron my friend, what the ** are you doing **ing from a tree in the first place? Oh and my own MD doesn't discriminate between my HP and the enemy's HP, so if I screw up I end up killing myself a lot. Not to mention how easy it is to teamkill with them in PC, and soon FW. I think they're fine. I'll agree forge guns should get nerfed to hell and back, though, because I've got opinions. FF in FW is going to cause FGers to be haaateeeed. Not our faults the jackasses step in front of us. It'll serve them right. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:44:00 - [16] - Quote get over your weapon for 2 secs and realize he's not whining about anything. he's talking about how splash is a problem. he's right. its right after hit detection for proof these guys sucking at coding FPS.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 999	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:48:00 - [17] - Quote I agree with the solution that was put forward back when everyone and their mothers were running dual Core Flaylocks. Splash damage should gradually falloff the further from the center of the blast that you are. In a perfect world, Direct hits would deal the direct damage plus 100% of splash (further rewarding direct hits). The splash radius would then be chopped up into 99 increments which would each represent the percentage of splash applied being stepped down to nothing at the edge of the splash radius. It would probably need to be much more simple than that though. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives....
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 889	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:49:00 - [18] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: get over your weapon for 2 secs and realize he's not whining about anything. he's talking about how splash is a problem. he's right. its right after hit detection for proof these guys sucking at coding FPS. No he is definitely whining, he tells us we don't need to aim we do! He tells ys we do too much damage we don't we are tir3d of being told we are noobs when it is clearly them! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 511	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:52:00 - [19] - Quote Yep Mass Drivers are easy mode.... Until you have to aim up and far away. Vanilla MDs without skills or upgrades have trouble taking out MLT suits. The problem with most nerf QQ threads is that when people like a gun, they typically upgrade the proficiency skill Also, MD splash is very bad until you upgrade it to level 5. And even then the only MD with a large blast radius is the Assault Variants, and they do less damage I for one, have proficiency V Plus with the low ammo count, you have to make sure every shot counts, carry nanohives, and you need to carry flux grenades because the do jack all to shield tankers Heck if anything the Mass Drivers need a ammo buff I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1693	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:54:00 - [20] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: get over your weapon for 2 secs and realize he's not whining about anything. he's talking about how splash is a problem It took me a while to see what you mean by 'not whining', but eventually I got it. If you look close enough you can interpret the OP to actually be: Tolen Rosas wrote: Good day, fellow forumers. I am here to discuss in a what I hope will only escalate to a lightly heated debate on an issue I've noticed with splash damage. Now, given months of meditation, I've come to realise that splash damage is, in fact, not perfect. Indeed, weapons in DUST 514 which harness explosive damage seem to require less effort to wield and use effectively than their plasma/projectile/laser counterparts. The main reason for this, I believe, is the small difference between splash and direct damage. This needs to be addressed, CCP. I understand that direct hits require great skill and rarely occur, but surely the damage from the splash of these projectiles can't be dealing this much damage? Personally, my suggestion would be to reduce splash radius and splash damage, however I will leave the actual numbers up to your balancing team who has superior knowledge on balancing to me. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1760	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:54:00 - [21] - Quote Mass drivers and flaylock, really? And I don't think people realize how useless FG splash radius is. If anyone is killing you with the first two frequently either they've stacked damage mods, or you suck la fat one hardcore. Especially flaylock. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 511	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:55:00 - [22] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: get over your weapon for 2 secs and realize he's not whining about anything. he's talking about how splash is a problem It took me a while to see what you mean by 'not whining', but eventually I got it. If you look close enough you can interpret the OP to actually be: Tolen Rosas wrote: Good day, fellow forumers. I am here to discuss in a what I hope will only escalate to a lightly heated debate on an issue I've noticed with splash damage. Now, given months of meditation, I've come to realise that splash damage is, in fact, not perfect. Indeed, weapons in DUST 514 which harness explosive damage seem to require less effort to wield and use effectively than their plasma/projectile/laser counterparts. The main reason for this, I believe, is the small difference between splash and direct damage. This needs to be addressed, CCP. I understand that direct hits require great skill and rarely occur, but surely the damage from the splash of these projectiles can't be dealing this much damage? Personally, my suggestion would be to reduce splash radius and splash damage, however I will leave the actual numbers up to your balancing team who has superior knowledge on balancing to me. Well, 95% of my MDs are with direct hits. Point Moot I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 511	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:56:00 - [23] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Mass drivers and flaylock, really? And I don't think people realize how useless FG splash radius is. If anyone is killing you with the first two frequently either they've stacked damage mods, or you suck la fat one hardcore. Especially flaylock. Spoken like a True Blood Minja I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 70	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:56:00 - [24] - Quote didnt they already nerf flays and md splash? And fg is being nerfed in 5 days... -_-
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 825	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:57:00 - [25] - Quote Anyone who says flaylock splash radius is to high had never used the flaylock before... For the Empire! Member of ASS: Amarr Secret Service.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1668	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:11:00 - [26] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: AoE weapons have been balanced so that AR reigns supreme yet again. Did someone hurt your feelings with a mass driver? this doesnt make sense and probly just means ur a MD user who depends on not aiming. there's no way splash should be anything close to direct dmg or be a large radius unless its a grenade or missile launcher. What other shooter gives u credit for being close. its ludicrous. I use a variety of weapons. The assault rifle is the easiest and when I'm running with it I earn my highest KDR. I also have proficiency in SMG which tears up people even at AR range. That's the weapon you should fear. I only have operation 3 in mass driver and Flaylock. The mass driver is by far the most situational and I'll lose the most suits when using it and the Flaylock is just completely under powered. I did have Mass Driver Operation 3 back in Chromosome and used it as my primary weapon. Each weapon has its own strengths and weaknesses. Since the complaint is clearly about mass drivers lets talk about those. First, the weapon does half the damage it used to do and with a somewhat reduced radius. Its great for clearing out mercs that are hiding behind cover, especially when the mass driver user has a height advantage. It also does a decent job of disrupting an attack. With its reduced damage I mainly use it as a support weapon by reducing enemy defenses or cleaning up already wounded mercs. However, if I'm engaging someone that has a height advantage over me then I'm pretty much screwed and may even kill myself during the engagement. It's exceedingly difficult to get a direct hit due to travel time, arc and lack of useable sights. AR? Super easy to aim and hit. Effective but boring. Finally, I laugh at the notion of 'shooter'. DUST, like its big brother EVE, is about experimenting with different combinations of fittings, squad combinations and tactics in order to get the upper hand over your opponent. It's not intended to be a competitive shooter. DUST is about winning the fight. If I know the mass driver causes you irritation, or even fear, then I'll probably bring it just to disrupt your attack. My advice is to drop your preconceived notions that this is just a shooter, try a wide variety of weapons and gear, start thinking like a warrior and have fun experimenting.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 104	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:41:00 - [27] - Quote +1 Reav, Try the weapons people it really puts things in perspective, I use AR, LR, MD, FG, HMG, SMG, and Flaylock. They are by no means balanced and certainly have their pros/cons but without trying them it is hard to asses what skills they actually require. Want to try an absolutely terrible weapon? Just pick up the breach Flaylock. Want to get outgunned everytime by an AR unless you barrel is straight up their ass? Try the HMG. Some weapons are general use and others are niche, If you find yourself in a situation where an enemy is using that niche area with the proper weapon, change your engagement, change your weapon, or your tactics. Those roof forgers can get cocky, when they do its very easy to forge them off of that building.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 309	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:49:00 - [28] - Quote Seldomely is someone seen being this wrong in public. Grenades sure are a bit of a pain in the ass, but anyone who tells me that they can take on an AR with an MD or, god forbid, a flaylock, ought to be lying.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 624	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:50:00 - [29] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: +1 Reav, Try the weapons people it really puts things in perspective, I use AR, LR, MD, FG, HMG, SMG, and Flaylock. They are by no means balanced and certainly have their pros/cons but without trying them it is hard to asses what skills they actually require. Want to try an absolutely terrible weapon? Just pick up the breach Flaylock. Want to get outgunned everytime by an AR unless you barrel is straight up their ass? Try the HMG. Some weapons are general use and others are niche, If you find yourself in a situation where an enemy is using that niche area with the proper weapon, change your engagement, change your weapon, or your tactics. Those roof forgers can get cocky, when they do its very easy to forge them off of that building. Hey now. That gun is teh lulz. Pair it with Flux Grenade and only a heavy can survive direct hits! Well, more inclined too. Especially when you stack the damage mods for it. But yeah. It's pretty much the Plasma Cannon as a side arm. That is as well worded as I can put it. I, for one, have killed quite a few unsuspecting people with it after the nerf. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Ulme Mees Eesti Leegion 35	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:57:00 - [30] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: +1 Reav, Try the weapons people it really puts things in perspective, I use AR, LR, MD, FG, HMG, SMG, and Flaylock. They are by no means balanced and certainly have their pros/cons but without trying them it is hard to asses what skills they actually require. Want to try an absolutely terrible weapon? Just pick up the breach Flaylock. Want to get outgunned everytime by an AR unless you barrel is straight up their ass? Try the HMG. Some weapons are general use and others are niche, If you find yourself in a situation where an enemy is using that niche area with the proper weapon, change your engagement, change your weapon, or your tactics. Those roof forgers can get cocky, when they do its very easy to forge them off of that building. Hey now. That gun is teh lulz. Pair it with Flux Grenade and only a heavy can survive direct hits! Well, more inclined too. Especially when you stack the damage mods for it. But yeah. It's pretty much the Plasma Cannon as a side arm. That is as well worded as I can put it. I, for one, have killed quite a few unsuspecting people with it after the nerf. Whats up with the flux argument, you can use flux with other weapons also... It's like saying use Scrampler rifle with core locus and its lulz.... Fear is a disease!



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