What needs to happen to this game is to not make it a twitch shooter like cod which is the direction its heading. Whats the point of SP if you die in half a second from any weapon? They need to draw out the battles by reducing all damage to weapons. Let us fight someone face to face for a good 30 seconds. Whats the point of shields and armor if they are this freakin squishy? Right now it doesnt matter if you have a thousand hit points or three hundred, you die the same. No point in mods or proto suits because its all the same as militia. Its all about who gets the first bead. Dust is straying away from the MMO part of this FPS extremely fast. Which is making me sad :(

When the rest of them drop, all of the racial rifles (AR,ScR,CR,RR) should only require Light Weapon I to unlock and starter fits should come with racially appropriate Militia versions. That might go some way towards getting people to try and maybe spend SP in something besides AR.

Just saying that calculating the DPS by multiplying the damage per shot by the number of shots per second is nonsense for a weapon like an AR.

Mass driver is only like 240 per shot. AR can unload his whole clip before I can get a second shot.

60 bullets at 34 damage 2040.00 damage he inflicted on me. and I only got 240 on him. Who's winning that battle.

The guy that actually has to aim, because his damage radius is only a direct contact area that is 3cm across?

I have my AR to prof 5 and my assault scram to prof 2 and my scram rifle kills a lot quicker than my AR. even against armor. Laser damage vs armor is ridiculously broken atm

And the sky is blue, beyond stating the obvious this thread will do nothing. As much as everyone wants this game to succeed which is evidenced by the tremendous amount of fanboism they will do everything in there power to kill it. The promise of this game was to create a new FPS, guess what people are too stupid and don't really want that.

And the sky is blue, beyond stating the obvious this thread will do nothing. As much as everyone wants this game to succeed which is evidenced by the tremendous amount of fanboism they will do everything in there power to kill it. The promise of this game was to create a new FPS, guess what people are too stupid and don't really want that.

The question is what kind of FPS is Dust becoming? This was supposed to be a thinking man's FPS. But with each new patch, it's slowly turning into another modern military twitch fest with a shade of future aesthetics.

In this thread:

People who can't do math arguing that the AR isn't overpowered.

But yes OP, you're correct. As mentioned in another thread, the TTK in this game is way too low, and the AR, ASR and Auto Aim are the major contributors.

Actually Duvolle is Not 34 but 37.4


And to have the same DPS a Mass Driver must make only directs hits which is impossible and even like that Assault rifle have a better DPS..
And when i say same DPS i didn't ocunt headshots for the assault rifle.


Duvolle is 37.4 per second.
12.5 shots per second.

467.5 DPS.

Freedom is 267 per second ONLY in directs hits.
If splash it's 127.

Duvolle in one clip : 2244
Freedom (Mass driver) in one clip (Only directs hits) : 1602
If splash only : 762


Let's take a Duvolle a bad shooter (really bad) will miss half of the shots.
It will make 1122 damage in 4.8 sec.

Let's take a Basic Mass driver user (Not bad just basic) he will make only splash.
It will make 1602 damage in 6 sec.


Duvolle will still kill it faster and i didn't even count the Headshot which is REALLY frequent with assault rifle.
And ididn't even mention than assault rifle wins 60 per kill because of headshots while al ot of weapon can't make headshots.

This is some Fox News level of statistics.

All news is buyist. Watch the one you like.

Support isn't an effective meaning for the MD. It should kill. It is a freaking grenade launcher.

We need to have the same damage overall for every weapon. Every clip size have the ability to inflict say 1500 damage. Then you balance weapons by adjusting the ROF. Then every weapon is effective to the user that likes using it. This is why there is a problem with balancing. Every weapon has total damage differences where they should have all the same damage over said clip size.

Then users can play with damage by using modes.

34 damage I think for the duvuolle math in general is correct.

Bahaha, standardizing weapon dmg/clip is probably the stupidest game design decision I've ever heard. Damage per clip is a balancing factor against other things, such as the scrambler pistol's insane headshot damage boost. 20-shot scrambler pistols and 20-shot assault mass drivers would be awful for game balance. Weapons have purposes other than raw damage, and there are many factors beyond damage per clip that affect how well a weapon performs.
Also, sure, the MD's splash DPS seems low, but multiply that by catching 2-4 people in it, and suddenly you're outperforming an AR again. It's not the same weapon and it shouldn't be.
Don't kill weapon variety with your asinine suggestions, kthnx.

I never said to increase clip size. MD 6 shots 1500 damage, AR 60 SHOTS 1500 DAMAGE, SR 60 SHOTS 1500 DAMAGE, SHOT GUN 6 SHOTS 1500 DAMAGE.

AV - FORGE, 3 SHOTS 1500 DAMAGE AGAINST INFANTRY, AGAINST VEHICLES BUFF THEM UP SOME 1500 DAMAGE PER SHOT

Damage could then be modified by modes