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taxi bastard
S.A.C. Strategic
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:10:00 -
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Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it.
but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results.
I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games.
If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:11:00 -
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Dominating PC is a large part of it.
Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC.
I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
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AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:12:00 -
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Sniping. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:13:00 -
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The problem is matchmaking bro. not proto itself.You can run better equipment (like proto) At more the triple the price than ADVANCED gear. PLUS Proto gear is not even double the effective than ADV gear.
I dont run proto suits (Except now and then my minni scout but c'mon... i run in 400 HP is not like you cant drop me with a MLT AR XD) and i do well enough.The main reason i havnt skilled into ANY proto suit now is because i havnt decided my playstile 100%. Now, i do have around 85 million,and as soon as i get my proto suit i will be using them a lot,specially vs organized squads (i run solo a lot)
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:13:00 -
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If I play a pub match where I die 7+ times in protogear I tell myself it was a good game and that the cost and opposition was worth it.
> "I will show you fear in a handful of dust."
T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:16:00 -
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Few ways.
1. They go positive but that is so obvious.
2. They don't always run Prototype stuff and thus make their money elsewhere.
3. They have someone else supporting them.
4. They are not running positive. If each suit is 150k and they pull in 200k a match, they can safely lose one a game. If they have 100 million ISK stockpiled, they can play a long time with all Prototype stuff.
#4 is how I believe most Vehicle Users work it. You may lose that 600k Tank but if you have 80 million ISK in the bank and 30+ fit tanks ready to go, you can lose one a match and won't run into issues for a while.
Be well. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1038
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:22:00 -
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heres a few reasons...
1. every suit they spawn in isn't proto.
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
3.they fund protos using bpo fits in ambush grinds.
4.they might just be stupid and will run out of isk shortly, or used every suit they could afford in that 1 match.
but most scenarios are probably 1- 3 or, they do a lot of PC. |
Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:23:00 -
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Lone wolf here.
Ran BPOs until I learned the game, earned ~100m ISK over a pretty good period and I've been slooowly sliding down the pile since.
BPOs and self-preservation |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:25:00 -
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Screw Proto. I prefer Standard and Advanced :D But the Amarr Logi ak.0 is sexy :)
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taxi bastard
S.A.C. Strategic
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:26:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Dominating PC is a large part of it.
Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC.
to be honest this is what I feared, every time you kill a proto you hope that it makes them think twice as you hope to make the losses unsustainable. but if PC is bringing in players so much isk it means that its almost irrelevant how much they die.
Joseph Ridgeson wrote:
Few ways.
1. They go positive but that is so obvious.
2. They don't always run Prototype stuff and thus make their money elsewhere.
3. They have someone else supporting them.
4. They are not running positive. If each suit is 150k and they pull in 200k a match, they can safely lose one a game. If they have 100 million ISK stockpiled, they can play a long time with all Prototype stuff.
#4 is how I believe most Vehicle Users work it. You may lose that 600k Tank but if you have 80 million ISK in the bank and 30+ fit tanks ready to go, you can lose one a match and won't run into issues for a while.
Be well.
this is what I hoped and tbh I assume is the norm for most people. but judging from the previous post the other method is deeply disturbing. especially for those just leaving the academy as the problem is likely to get worse. |
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:48:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Dominating PC is a large part of it.
Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC. to be honest this is what I feared, every time you kill a proto you hope that it makes them think twice as you hope to make the losses unsustainable. but if PC is bringing in players so much isk it means that its almost irrelevant how much they loose this is what I hoped and tbh I assume is the norm for most people. but judging from the previous post the other method is deeply disturbing. especially for those just leaving the academy as the problem is likely to get worse.
Unfortunately PC is making running proto gear a normal occurrence. Most players have 100 of millions of isk some are at over a billion.
With that said though any long term vets will tell you. we ran proto gear from the first day we could unlock it and never looked back. You just do better with better gear. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:51:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Dominating PC is a large part of it.
Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC. to be honest this is what I feared, every time you kill a proto you hope that it makes them think twice as you hope to make the losses unsustainable. but if PC is bringing in players so much isk it means that its almost irrelevant how much they loose this is what I hoped and tbh I assume is the norm for most people. but judging from the previous post the other method is deeply disturbing. especially for those just leaving the academy as the problem is likely to get worse. Unfortunately PC is making running proto gear a normal occurrence. Most players have 100 of millions of isk some are at over a billion. With that said though any long term vets will tell you. we ran proto gear from the first day we could unlock it and never looked back. You just do better with better gear.
There, we have it. An expert on the subject (because he's from Ancient Exiles) just confirmed your thinking.
And, off-topic:
A BILLION ISK?!?!?!
can i haz sum
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taxi bastard
S.A.C. Strategic
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:04:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Dominating PC is a large part of it.
Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC. to be honest this is what I feared, every time you kill a proto you hope that it makes them think twice as you hope to make the losses unsustainable. but if PC is bringing in players so much isk it means that its almost irrelevant how much they loose this is what I hoped and tbh I assume is the norm for most people. but judging from the previous post the other method is deeply disturbing. especially for those just leaving the academy as the problem is likely to get worse. Unfortunately PC is making running proto gear a normal occurrence. Most players have 100 of millions of isk some are at over a billion. With that said though any long term vets will tell you. we ran proto gear from the first day we could unlock it and never looked back. You just do better with better gear.
thanks for your honest reply
I run basic suits + advanced or basic weapons with either proto or enhanced mods - with mostly maxed out passive skills. so I guess I am somewhere in the middle of the evolution line. I can kill fully proto kitted suits as anyone can but it is a pain in the ass when getting proto spammed.
got to feel for the new players though as even getting to where I am ( 5.8 mil SP's) I notice a huge difference in my abilities. hope they bring out some new player friendly modes or most I guess will rage quit because they will simply not stand a chance unless they are in an extremely favourable position. |
Wombat in combat
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:26:00 -
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I always run full proto (except std heavy). The reason why I do it is because I stay ISK positive and it's more fun. Sure running std/adv would yield me more ISK but at 300-400M ISK I really don't care. |
General John Ripper
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:35:00 -
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I make money in pc and I make money in pubs because if I am running with my friends i will die once or twice AT MOST. Alot of games, I never die.
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Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:45:00 -
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FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout.
See where this is going?
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:50:00 -
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ill say this again in this thread as iv said in so many others , proto equipment and suits used to cost round the mill mark and very few folks ran them in pubs simply because of the cost but now anyone with a bit of gun game and a bit of isk stockpiled can run proto in every game. personally I would raise the price of proto back to that of chrome then well see the true proto beards emerge.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
833
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:51:00 -
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575mil and counting, running proto all day...
PC is for chumps, there are other ways to make ISK 
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Academy Ghost 14
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:54:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Few ways.
1. is so obvious.
2. They make their money elsewhere.
3. They have someone else supporting them.
4. they can play a long time with all Prototype stuff.
#2 is how I believe most Users work it.
Be well.
fixed it...
and thats all i'm saying...loose lips sink spaceships... |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:56:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:ill say this again in this thread as iv said in so many others , proto equipment and suits used to cost round the mill mark and very few folks ran them in pubs simply because of the cost but now anyone with a bit of gun game and a bit of isk stockpiled can run proto in every game. personally I would raise the price of proto back to that of chrome then well see the true proto beards emerge.
errr... actually few had the SP to run full proto and those who did were stockpiling isk for PC...
Chrome-era cost of proto gear was not prohibitive enough to make a difference.
TBQH, it shouldn't be. Proto FTW... gives people something to work toward and gives them a better payout when they dogpile and schwack my 150k ISK suit with starter fits
"Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
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Michael Epic
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:08:00 -
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Honestly? My proto gear costs 250 million isk.
But I always buy 1,000 of each thing and for things I double up on, 2-3-4 thousand copies of it at a time. I agree proto gear is so expensive, but you gotta hustle hard and make that money, sir.
Its possible to make LOADS of isk....and its likely that the squads running all proto gear and taking losses are padded down with isk so it doesn't sting the wallet as much as it does the pride. |
RECON BY FIRE
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:22:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting.
Stuff....?
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norttheantiv
D3LTA FORC3
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:27:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:ill say this again in this thread as iv said in so many others , proto equipment and suits used to cost round the mill mark and very few folks ran them in pubs simply because of the cost but now anyone with a bit of gun game and a bit of isk stockpiled can run proto in every game. personally I would raise the price of proto back to that of chrome then well see the true proto beards emerge.
1 mil? For a proto fit? You mad!?
200k max
Maybe tanks can get there |
Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:43:00 -
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There are many ways people run proto fits all the time:
1. MCC isk farming is still very much alive just not as alive as it was before that update (1.4 i think)
2. Strong PC teams or Molden Heath Land owners all make a decent penny but the dominant teams make a ton... In under a 24 hour period if we have 6 - 10 battles and we win them all (even assuming losses of substantial amounts) ill still profit 12 - 20m...
3. Personally i know throughout a day of protostomping i make a positive amount of isk (not usually by a lot maybe 1 - 2M) but hey profit is profit...
4. Redline sniping is a huge money maker and pads kdr's too... This is why u dont join dominations unless u qsync against good teams or something...
5. Other ways that i will not divulge into because its how i make even more isk but think outside the box...
Anyways money is easily made by those who know how to play in this game so there will always be a decent amount of protostompers which i love because i like killing protosuits... It gives me a sense of accomplishment overcoming an equal force =) |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:54:00 -
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norttheantiv wrote:pegasis prime wrote:ill say this again in this thread as iv said in so many others , proto equipment and suits used to cost round the mill mark and very few folks ran them in pubs simply because of the cost but now anyone with a bit of gun game and a bit of isk stockpiled can run proto in every game. personally I would raise the price of proto back to that of chrome then well see the true proto beards emerge. 1 mil? For a proto fit? You mad!? 200k max Maybe tanks can get there
dude my old heavy vk0 or vk1 set ups used to cost over vk1 and just under vk0 1 mill it was a signifigant investment and any true proto bear would still be able to run proto we just wouldent see as much proto stomping
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:56:00 -
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Ever heard of EVE online? Yeah, get a benefactor corp/alliance and enjoy a constant stream of money and resources. This would be the only example atm of a useful EVE/DUST connection. It's also a great selling point for EVE. You have to pay for an EVE account to make passive money off of resources and corp taxes to fund DUST activities.
I'd assume this is the main reason all the leet DUST corps have joined EON. They're the only EVE based alliance worrying about DUST PC atm.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1066
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:37:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting.
I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit...
just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.
add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.
sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... |
Michael Epic
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:02:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.
add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.
sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me....
My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk.
My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk
My suit costs: 57,690,000
My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.
There goes your theory. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:17:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.
add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.
sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.There goes your theory.
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bear90211
Nyain San
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:20:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it.
but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results.
I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games.
If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing?
you do know how hard PC is, right? of course if your corp owns over 5, they will be giving ISK to their A-TEAM for PC, hence, PUBSTOMP. |
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bear90211
Nyain San
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:23:00 -
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My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk.
My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk
My suit costs: 57,690,000
My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.
There goes your theory.[/quote]
this is for 1000 suits, of course...
right, the quotes dont work if you removes something from it.. |
Michael Epic
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:30:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Michael Epic wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.
add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.
sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.There goes your theory. where do you buy you dropsuit because if your paying "TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK." per fitting you are being ripped off.'l
I buy 1,000 at a time. I don't like having to "restock" after every match. That's poor ass living in my opinion....I burn through 1,000 suits, glance at my isk...250 million? Sweet. Restock the whole fitting to 1,000 and some of the mods to 4,000 or 2,000 or however many I use...and badda bing, badda boom...back in the game and never have to worry about running out of money, sonny. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:39:00 -
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A lot of the proto stompers are corp funded (nyain San being the biggest example)
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:43:00 -
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I just finally got to a point where I'm only dying 1-2 times using my ADV gear.
This means I spend probably about 100k isk to win back 400k isk. Some matches I do really well, swi5ch to my proto stuff, and then don't lose the suit so I get 100% of my earnings.
I was in a pit of about 20 million isk, and now I'm up to 35 million and counting. I don't play PC, instead I just play the game mostly in ADV and pull out my proto gear once I hit a certain amount of isk, or if I've been doing well in the match already. I don't have a single free fit, but I do have several "suicide" fits. These usually cost about 20k each and allow me to die in them as many times as I want. My isk usually fluctuates between 20-30 mil, but now It's not going down much at all.
I just know that I'm not going to touch vehicles ever again...because I always seem to lose them, and they cost as much if not more than a prototype suit.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:47:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Dominating PC is a large part of it.
Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC.
and not dying in pubs, the thought of dying more than twice in a pub match is rare to me.
Execpt when you were ReGnYuM's Human shield and then I could Kill you 4-5 times in a pub but he wouldn't die...
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:51:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it.
but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results.
I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games.
If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing?
Saved up 60 million in open beta before I made the full switch over to proto suits. Went isk positive running them all during beta... ended beta with around 190 mil then got a mass cash injection of 230 mil from selling of assets at market value. so was at 420-450mil after beta...
Pretty much have done PC since the day it came out... Invested 160 mil personal isk into corporation for clone pack starting... We kept winning and expanding out territory... got my investment and a sizeable bonus back from corporation... aswell as a wage... Have been making money ontop of the PC payout ever since...
With more PC wages.. and another 75mil cash injection from winning urgent fury tournament prizes am sitting just over 1.2 billion isk... while never running anything but proto since open beta. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:54:00 -
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bear90211 wrote:this is for 1000 suits, of course...
right, the quotes dont work if you removes something from it..
You removed the first part of the quotes.
It goes like this-
insert name here wrote:
Bracket, quote, =, person's name, bracket.
Bracket, /, quote, bracket.
Not that hard :D
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RECON BY FIRE
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:58:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me....
I would take the time to properly retort, but it seems someone else has already schooled you. Now please go sit in the corner, shut your mouth, and get good.
Stuff....?
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Roner General
Ancient Exiles
141
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:59:00 -
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when your corp pays you instead of taxing you it makes it much easier to go full proto every match |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
1197
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:05:00 -
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Roner General wrote:when your corp pays you instead of taxing you it makes it much easier to go full proto every match
It also helps having 25 districts....
:D
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2343
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:10:00 -
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You play smart and invest wisely. You play low cost suits when you go solo, then use the money you play with your friends.
"It's because of people like you that I became this. And you'll never give me a reason to become someone else."
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howard sanchez
DUST University
Ivy League
807
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:17:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout.
See where this is going?
Exactly. Good post. I have felt this way for a while. I would contend a couple of points:
1) while the DUST active population is low a decrease in Isk payout in PC may serve, over time, to prevent an over abundance of high meta level gear from unbalancing public match play.
2) there may currently be too much isk in circulation relative to active player base (causing isk value deflation?) and efforts to sustain or increase isk value will make decisions about which gear to field more relevant.
3) increasing isk sinks will work ( and these are probably better tolerated than decreasing isk faucets) but would adding a variable to PC isk payout calculations that adjusts with active population be beneficial?
And lastly,
4) when might we expect the first periodic Dust Econmic Report, ( eve has this written by thier staff economists); it will be greatly received. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
1197
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:21:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout.
See where this is going?
^One of the reasons I like FW.
1 squad of Protobears does not stand a chance against 2 squads of mixed Advanced/Proto.
1 squad of Subdreddit vs 2 squads of CI= 500k ISK payout :D
:D
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
519
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:22:00 -
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I can't afford proto gear because of my naive, trusting, newbish play style.
I have to beg my corp for financial aid.
Thanks guys, I'll be paying back the principal and 28% interest once I can sell one of my kidneys. But you'll have to wait for the OPEN MARKET.
I'm looking at you, CCP.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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CharCharOdell
1459
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:25:00 -
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PC. I once made 65 mil in a single day through pay bonuses and PC rewards.
<3 u STB
Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ
Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó
Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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CharCharOdell
1459
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:28:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout.
See where this is going? Exactly. Good post. I have felt this way for a while. I would contend a couple of points: 1) while the DUST active population is low a decrease in Isk payout in PC may serve, over time, to prevent an over abundance of high meta level gear from unbalancing public match play. 2) there may currently be too much isk in circulation relative to active player base (causing isk value deflation?) and efforts to sustain or increase isk value will make decisions about which gear to field more relevant. 3) increasing isk sinks will work ( and these are probably better tolerated than decreasing isk faucets) but would adding a variable to PC isk payout calculations that adjusts with active population be beneficial? And lastly, 4) when might we expect the first periodic Dust Econmic Report, ( eve has this written by thier staff economists); it will be greatly received.
you have no idea how PC works.
Even if you did that, most people will net between 1.25 and 2.5 mil in a victory. However, dying 3-12x isn't terribly uncommon, even among really good players. The ISK comes from playing farmville and seeling clones, then using that money to pay for ringers, give ISK gifts to members, and generally throw money at people. Nerfing PC wouldn;t change anything, because corps would just give ISK to their mercs to compensate for what they're losing.
Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ
Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó
Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
2417
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:32:00 -
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Pretty much due to PC. I went from having 60mill to 120 mill during FEC vs EON war. Thanks eon :D
Also we pay our players... Moarrr isk! I wish I could get on rampages isk level tho...
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
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Forum Warrior LV. 2
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ScottyTheMatchMaking AI
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:26:00 -
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this guy is rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99dYW0MMkk |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
1202
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:39:00 -
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ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote:
1....billion......ISK......
btw that's Kalante. What do you expect?
:D
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1067
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:45:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.
add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.
sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.There goes your theory.
1st off lmao at your sad math... second off I count weapon as part of the fitting... read my previous post again... get mommy to help you with the big words. |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1067
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:48:00 -
[51] - Quote
RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... I would take the time to properly retort, but it seems someone else has already schooled you. Now please go sit in the corner, shut your mouth, and get good.
lol you and your buddy are ridiculous and bad at reading comprehension and math... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
524
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:50:00 -
[52] - Quote
Is it weird that I do better in STD gear than ADV/PRO gear sometimes?
I am everything
AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
242
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:43:00 -
[53] - Quote
Im pretty sure they prostitute in their free time. |
Faquira Bleuetta
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
133
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Posted - 2013.11.02 03:52:00 -
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ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote:
zero ******* lag zero smooth as **** the frame stay the same for entire game this is why he has no problem aiming. |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
844
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Posted - 2013.11.02 03:53:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it.
but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results.
I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games.
If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing?
Just die max once every game and you can. That's it. If they die more than 2 - 3 times they'll go bankrupt very very SOON not Gäó
- An unstoppable force of Rainbows.
- First love-quitter in the history of video games.
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Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:14:00 -
[56] - Quote
Seymor Krelborn wrote:Michael Epic wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:RECON BY FIRE wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.
add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.
sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.There goes your theory. 1st off lmao at your sad math... second off I count weapon as part of the fitting... read my previous post again... get mommy to help you with the big words.
Really? You're seriously still stuck on your blatantly wrong math? So, let's take your value of mods as costing "just shy of 40k". Now, double it to 80k, to prove a point. Now, compare 80k to the cost of a Carthum Imperial Scrambler Rifle and an Amarr Assault Ak.0 suit: 57690 + 77280 = 134970, or 134.97k. This may come as news to you, but 134 is a larger number than 80, which is a larger number than 40.
Go back to elementary school, they may have a number line that can help you out. |
General John Ripper
11664
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You play smart and invest wisely. You play low cost suits when you go solo, then use the money you play with your friends.
you never squad with me because you don't consider me friend :(
Dust 514's #17 Forum Warrior
Founder of the Forum Warrior Club
King of Tacos
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1124
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:39:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Ever heard of EVE online? Yeah, get a benefactor corp/alliance and enjoy a constant stream of money and resources. This would be the only example atm of a useful EVE/DUST connection. It's also a great selling point for EVE. You have to pay for an EVE account to make passive money off of resources and corp taxes to fund DUST activities.
I'd assume this is the main reason all the leet DUST corps have joined EON. They're the only EVE based alliance worrying about DUST PC atm.
Isk transfer is not possible at the moment... Just letting you know.
Please don't
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
477
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:51:00 -
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Proto Gallente has 4 slots. If ADV had four slots, I would be using that alot more than proto. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
1584
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:30:00 -
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ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote:
You can compare it to ... well ... RL.
Farmers and slaves slog it out and hope they have something to retire to (pubs...)
If you're in a decent sector that is a 'career' not a 'job' you can expect to comfortably make six figures (PC line members...)
Star athletes rake in multi-million dollar contracts at rates the rest of us roll our eyes at but it's supply/demand (big name ringers...)
And then there are the warren buffets, the ****** husseins, the kennedys, and the morgan stanley CEO types who probably have more money than you can comprehend (ahem...)
[edit: the name of the former leader of iraq is blocked?  ]
"Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
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