DUST Search - how do people afford to proto so much?

howard sanchez wrote:

Rogatien Merc wrote:

FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout.

See where this is going?

Exactly. Good post. I have felt this way for a while. I would contend a couple of points:

1) while the DUST active population is low a decrease in Isk payout in PC may serve, over time, to prevent an over abundance of high meta level gear from unbalancing public match play.

2) there may currently be too much isk in circulation relative to active player base (causing isk value deflation?) and efforts to sustain or increase isk value will make decisions about which gear to field more relevant.

3) increasing isk sinks will work ( and these are probably better tolerated than decreasing isk faucets) but would adding a variable to PC isk payout calculations that adjusts with active population be beneficial?

And lastly,

4) when might we expect the first periodic Dust Econmic Report, ( eve has this written by thier staff economists); it will be greatly received.

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bear90211 Nyain San Proficiency V. 38	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:23:00 - [31] - Quote My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK. There goes your theory.[/quote] this is for 1000 suits, of course... right, the quotes dont work if you removes something from it..
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 113	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:30:00 - [32] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: 2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink. You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK. There goes your theory. where do you buy you dropsuit because if your paying "TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK." per fitting you are being ripped off.'l I buy 1,000 at a time. I don't like having to "restock" after every match. That's poor ass living in my opinion....I burn through 1,000 suits, glance at my isk...250 million? Sweet. Restock the whole fitting to 1,000 and some of the mods to 4,000 or 2,000 or however many I use...and badda bing, badda boom...back in the game and never have to worry about running out of money, sonny.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1356	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:39:00 - [33] - Quote A lot of the proto stompers are corp funded (nyain San being the biggest example) _(* *)> <( . )> <----he's a penguin ~'''~'''~ Level 1 forum warrior :P
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1219	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:43:00 - [34] - Quote I just finally got to a point where I'm only dying 1-2 times using my ADV gear. This means I spend probably about 100k isk to win back 400k isk. Some matches I do really well, swi5ch to my proto stuff, and then don't lose the suit so I get 100% of my earnings. I was in a pit of about 20 million isk, and now I'm up to 35 million and counting. I don't play PC, instead I just play the game mostly in ADV and pull out my proto gear once I hit a certain amount of isk, or if I've been doing well in the match already. I don't have a single free fit, but I do have several "suicide" fits. These usually cost about 20k each and allow me to die in them as many times as I want. My isk usually fluctuates between 20-30 mil, but now It's not going down much at all. I just know that I'm not going to touch vehicles ever again...because I always seem to lose them, and they cost as much if not more than a prototype suit. List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos! (Insert future link here)
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1595	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:47:00 - [35] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Dominating PC is a large part of it. Some days I made 15 million ISK. Thank you FEC. and not dying in pubs, the thought of dying more than twice in a pub match is rare to me. Execpt when you were ReGnYuM's Human shield and then I could Kill you 4-5 times in a pub but he wouldn't die... CEO of The Corporate Raiders, We're still recruiting... Level 1 Forum Warrior
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 257	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:51:00 - [36] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it. but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results. I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games. If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing? Saved up 60 million in open beta before I made the full switch over to proto suits. Went isk positive running them all during beta... ended beta with around 190 mil then got a mass cash injection of 230 mil from selling of assets at market value. so was at 420-450mil after beta... Pretty much have done PC since the day it came out... Invested 160 mil personal isk into corporation for clone pack starting... We kept winning and expanding out territory... got my investment and a sizeable bonus back from corporation... aswell as a wage... Have been making money ontop of the PC payout ever since... With more PC wages.. and another 75mil cash injection from winning urgent fury tournament prizes am sitting just over 1.2 billion isk... while never running anything but proto since open beta.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1197	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:54:00 - [37] - Quote bear90211 wrote: this is for 1000 suits, of course... right, the quotes dont work if you removes something from it.. You removed the first part of the quotes. It goes like this- insert name here wrote: Bracket, quote, =, person's name, bracket. Bracket, /, quote, bracket. Not that hard :D :D
RECON BY FIRE MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 293	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:58:00 - [38] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: 2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink. You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... I would take the time to properly retort, but it seems someone else has already schooled you. Now please go sit in the corner, shut your mouth, and get good. Stuff....?
Roner General Ancient Exiles 141	Posted - 2013.11.01 20:59:00 - [39] - Quote when your corp pays you instead of taxing you it makes it much easier to go full proto every match
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1197	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:05:00 - [40] - Quote Roner General wrote: when your corp pays you instead of taxing you it makes it much easier to go full proto every match It also helps having 25 districts.... :D

DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2343	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:10:00 - [41] - Quote You play smart and invest wisely. You play low cost suits when you go solo, then use the money you play with your friends. "It's because of people like you that I became this. And you'll never give me a reason to become someone else."
howard sanchez DUST University Ivy League 807	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:17:00 - [42] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout. See where this is going? Exactly. Good post. I have felt this way for a while. I would contend a couple of points: 1) while the DUST active population is low a decrease in Isk payout in PC may serve, over time, to prevent an over abundance of high meta level gear from unbalancing public match play. 2) there may currently be too much isk in circulation relative to active player base (causing isk value deflation?) and efforts to sustain or increase isk value will make decisions about which gear to field more relevant. 3) increasing isk sinks will work ( and these are probably better tolerated than decreasing isk faucets) but would adding a variable to PC isk payout calculations that adjusts with active population be beneficial? And lastly, 4) when might we expect the first periodic Dust Econmic Report, ( eve has this written by thier staff economists); it will be greatly received.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1197	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:21:00 - [43] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout. See where this is going? ^One of the reasons I like FW. 1 squad of Protobears does not stand a chance against 2 squads of mixed Advanced/Proto. 1 squad of Subdreddit vs 2 squads of CI= 500k ISK payout :D :D
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 519	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:22:00 - [44] - Quote I can't afford proto gear because of my naive, trusting, newbish play style. I have to beg my corp for financial aid. Thanks guys, I'll be paying back the principal and 28% interest once I can sell one of my kidneys. But you'll have to wait for the OPEN MARKET. I'm looking at you, CCP. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
CharCharOdell 1459	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:25:00 - [45] - Quote PC. I once made 65 mil in a single day through pay bonuses and PC rewards. <3 u STB Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
CharCharOdell 1459	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:28:00 - [46] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: FYI ... this is the only way the ISK from the PC faucet reaches players not involved in PC, somewhat diluting the concentration of ISK among PC corps. Your ISK payout at the end of a pub match is partially determined by the ISK value of what was destroyed on the other team. So if you take kdr epeen rankings out of the mix, a team using and losing proto on the other team is actually going to result in a greater payout for the other team than if they all died in militia fits. Just an example - fighting noobs in a domination match I can come away with like 300,000 ISK at the end of the game. If I happen to be going against a team that is running proto gear it results in a 600,000 ISK payout. See where this is going? Exactly. Good post. I have felt this way for a while. I would contend a couple of points: 1) while the DUST active population is low a decrease in Isk payout in PC may serve, over time, to prevent an over abundance of high meta level gear from unbalancing public match play. 2) there may currently be too much isk in circulation relative to active player base (causing isk value deflation?) and efforts to sustain or increase isk value will make decisions about which gear to field more relevant. 3) increasing isk sinks will work ( and these are probably better tolerated than decreasing isk faucets) but would adding a variable to PC isk payout calculations that adjusts with active population be beneficial? And lastly, 4) when might we expect the first periodic Dust Econmic Report, ( eve has this written by thier staff economists); it will be greatly received. you have no idea how PC works. Even if you did that, most people will net between 1.25 and 2.5 mil in a victory. However, dying 3-12x isn't terribly uncommon, even among really good players. The ISK comes from playing farmville and seeling clones, then using that money to pay for ringers, give ISK gifts to members, and generally throw money at people. Nerfing PC wouldn;t change anything, because corps would just give ISK to their mercs to compensate for what they're losing. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2417	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:32:00 - [47] - Quote Pretty much due to PC. I went from having 60mill to 120 mill during FEC vs EON war. Thanks eon :D Also we pay our players... Moarrr isk! I wish I could get on rampages isk level tho... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
ScottyTheMatchMaking AI Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:26:00 - [48] - Quote this guy is rich. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99dYW0MMkk
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1202	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:39:00 - [49] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: this guy is rich. i suppose all PC players have tons of isk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99dYW0MMkk 1....billion......ISK...... btw that's Kalante. What do you expect? :D
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1067	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:45:00 - [50] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: 2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink. You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK. There goes your theory. 1st off lmao at your sad math... second off I count weapon as part of the fitting... read my previous post again... get mommy to help you with the big words.

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1067	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:48:00 - [51] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: 2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink. You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... I would take the time to properly retort, but it seems someone else has already schooled you. Now please go sit in the corner, shut your mouth, and get good. lol you and your buddy are ridiculous and bad at reading comprehension and math...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 524	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:50:00 - [52] - Quote Is it weird that I do better in STD gear than ADV/PRO gear sometimes? I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 242	Posted - 2013.11.01 23:43:00 - [53] - Quote Im pretty sure they prostitute in their free time.
Faquira Bleuetta MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 133	Posted - 2013.11.02 03:52:00 - [54] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: this guy is rich. i suppose all PC players have tons of isk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99dYW0MMkk zero ***** lag zero smooth as ** the frame stay the same for entire game this is why he has no problem aiming.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 844	Posted - 2013.11.02 03:53:00 - [55] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it. but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results. I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games. If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing? Just die max once every game and you can. That's it. If they die more than 2 - 3 times they'll go bankrupt very very SOON not Gäó An unstoppable force of Rainbows. - First love-quitter in the history of video games.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 189	Posted - 2013.11.02 04:14:00 - [56] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: 2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink. You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting. I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit... just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k. add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit. sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me.... My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk. My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk My suit costs: 57,690,000 My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK. There goes your theory. 1st off lmao at your sad math... second off I count weapon as part of the fitting... read my previous post again... get mommy to help you with the big words. Really? You're seriously still stuck on your blatantly wrong math? So, let's take your value of mods as costing "just shy of 40k". Now, double it to 80k, to prove a point. Now, compare 80k to the cost of a Carthum Imperial Scrambler Rifle and an Amarr Assault Ak.0 suit: 57690 + 77280 = 134970, or 134.97k. This may come as news to you, but 134 is a larger number than 80, which is a larger number than 40. Go back to elementary school, they may have a number line that can help you out.
General John Ripper 11664	Posted - 2013.11.02 04:19:00 - [57] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You play smart and invest wisely. You play low cost suits when you go solo, then use the money you play with your friends. you never squad with me because you don't consider me friend :( Dust 514's #17 Forum Warrior Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1124	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:39:00 - [58] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Ever heard of EVE online? Yeah, get a benefactor corp/alliance and enjoy a constant stream of money and resources. This would be the only example atm of a useful EVE/DUST connection. It's also a great selling point for EVE. You have to pay for an EVE account to make passive money off of resources and corp taxes to fund DUST activities. I'd assume this is the main reason all the leet DUST corps have joined EON. They're the only EVE based alliance worrying about DUST PC atm. Isk transfer is not possible at the moment... Just letting you know. Please don't GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 477	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:51:00 - [59] - Quote Proto Gallente has 4 slots. If ADV had four slots, I would be using that alot more than proto.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1584	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:30:00 - [60] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: this guy is rich. i suppose all PC players have tons of isk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M99dYW0MMkk You can compare it to ... well ... RL. Farmers and slaves slog it out and hope they have something to retire to (pubs...) If you're in a decent sector that is a 'career' not a 'job' you can expect to comfortably make six figures (PC line members...) Star athletes rake in multi-million dollar contracts at rates the rest of us roll our eyes at but it's supply/demand (big name ringers...) And then there are the warren buffets, the ****** husseins, the kennedys, and the morgan stanley CEO types who probably have more money than you can comprehend (ahem...) [edit: the name of the former leader of iraq is blocked? ] "Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."



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