Dominating PC is a large part of it.

Some days I made 15 million ISK.
Thank you FEC.

Few ways.

1. They go positive but that is so obvious.
2. They don't always run Prototype stuff and thus make their money elsewhere.
3. They have someone else supporting them.
4. They are not running positive. If each suit is 150k and they pull in 200k a match, they can safely lose one a game. If they have 100 million ISK stockpiled, they can play a long time with all Prototype stuff.

#4 is how I believe most Vehicle Users work it. You may lose that 600k Tank but if you have 80 million ISK in the bank and 30+ fit tanks ready to go, you can lose one a match and won't run into issues for a while.

Be well.

to be honest this is what I feared, every time you kill a proto you hope that it makes them think twice as you hope to make the losses unsustainable. but if PC is bringing in players so much isk it means that its almost irrelevant how much they loose

this is what I hoped and tbh I assume is the norm for most people. but judging from the previous post the other method is deeply disturbing. especially for those just leaving the academy as the problem is likely to get worse.

Unfortunately PC is making running proto gear a normal occurrence. Most players have 100 of millions of isk some are at over a billion.

With that said though any long term vets will tell you. we ran proto gear from the first day we could unlock it and never looked back. You just do better with better gear.

Unfortunately PC is making running proto gear a normal occurrence. Most players have 100 of millions of isk some are at over a billion.

With that said though any long term vets will tell you. we ran proto gear from the first day we could unlock it and never looked back. You just do better with better gear.

Few ways.

1. is so obvious.
2. They make their money elsewhere.
3. They have someone else supporting them.
4. they can play a long time with all Prototype stuff.

#2 is how I believe most Users work it.

Be well.

ill say this again in this thread as iv said in so many others , proto equipment and suits used to cost round the mill mark and very few folks ran them in pubs simply because of the cost but now anyone with a bit of gun game and a bit of isk stockpiled can run proto in every game. personally I would raise the price of proto back to that of chrome then well see the true proto beards emerge.

2. the proto suits may use cheap fits (not proto mods) the mods are the real sink.

ill say this again in this thread as iv said in so many others , proto equipment and suits used to cost round the mill mark and very few folks ran them in pubs simply because of the cost but now anyone with a bit of gun game and a bit of isk stockpiled can run proto in every game. personally I would raise the price of proto back to that of chrome then well see the true proto beards emerge.

1 mil? For a proto fit? You mad!?

200k max

Maybe tanks can get there

You have no idea what youre talking about. Proto suit and weapon make up the majority of the cost of a fitting.

I have every idea what im talking about.... 1st off I never mentioned weapon... but I would include that in the fit...

just counting complex shields plates and a dmg mod to fill all slots is just shy of 40k.

add equipment (especially for a logi) a nade and a WEAPON.... and the mods cost more than your suit.

sorry to deflate your ego and the idea you are so much more knowledgeable than me....

My mods cost: 39,180,000 isk.
My weapons cost: 153,840,000 isk
My suit costs: 57,690,000

My mods don't cost more than my suit. Not even close. Weapons and Suit = 211,530,000. TWO HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THIRTY THOUSAND ISK.

There goes your theory.

Firstly - some people are good enough and die little enough to afford to do it I agree they can afford to do it.

but its becoming increasingly common to see proto squads having unsustainable deaths per match to make it viable. the way I see things is that you need to have a pretty good match to come out even on a 3 suit game, yet I am seeing some people die 7-10 times in hard fought games with full proto gear without a huge amount of SP's and then next match ill fight them again for the same sort of results.

I could be wrong but is it PC funds having a trickle down affect into PUB matches? I can't run proto suits and for me a really good game will net me 350-400k although I know some who get 550k+ when they get 3-4K WP. looking at the WP's some proto players are getting and estimating their isk yield vs death costs they are having pretty substantial losses in the PUB games.

If it is the case that PC is affecting the ability of players to play in proto, whats your views on it? or is there something I am missing?