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Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1105	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:45:00 - [1] - Quote I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? :D
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 799	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:47:00 - [2] - Quote Breach is the only UP shotgun in the game. Cant really one shot most players unless you fit 1-2 damage mods or go for the head, seems balanced.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2160	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:48:00 - [3] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? If hit detection is fixed. The Shotguns will be balanced. I use the Breach shotguns (You know the ones that actually need skill? Anyone can use a CRG-3 pfft) and i secretly think is the most OP weapon in the game.(needs a little more RoF SRSLY, it already has only 2 shots why the low ROF? ) I wont say it out loud so you people dont think im crazy but.. Oh...Sh...oh well.... u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2442	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:49:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly think the Shotguns need more range. I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1105	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:51:00 - [5] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I honestly think the Shotguns need more range. I find myself getting one shotted at 10 meters by a Shotgun. I don't know if it's because I suck or not lol :D
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 305	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:53:00 - [6] - Quote Shotguns (damage) is fine
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3810	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:53:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? BALANCED AS HELL. Its ******* epic! "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 233	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:54:00 - [8] - Quote You honestly think a guy with 83 YouTube subs and nearly 700 videos can be bothered to reply on a forum where the actual dust players are? No. Just remember, the shotgun isn't up because hit detection/misfire/range no no no, It's up because it's not heavy enough. That's right, it needs more weight. Heh. Something witty here. How about? #DELAY 514 ... been waiting for a rail rifle longer than SoTa's been trolling.
Cosgar ParagonX 6874	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:57:00 - [9] - Quote Dis gon' be good I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1105	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:57:00 - [10] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: You honestly think a guy with 83 YouTube subs and nearly 700 videos can be bothered to reply on a forum where the actual dust players are? No. Just remember, the shotgun isn't up because hit detection/misfire/range no no no, It's up because it's not heavy enough. That's right, it needs more weight. Heh. He sent me a message through Youtube because he thinks I "envy" him and that I'm "jealous." Of what, your inability to correctly use shotguns? Just a mini-rant, I honestly think they are pretty balanced. It's always fun using them :D :D
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1005	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:57:00 - [11] - Quote The sg an nk are supposed to be fixed next patch. I think that a proto an damage mods should drop med frames in one shot if the range is what it is. But sometimes it takes 3 to a starter fit an their ar still kills you in under a sec. But if they increase the range an fix hit detection all the good shotgunners are gonna be the reason in two weeks your gonna see AR users posting shotguns are op threads everywhere. We're used to them being crap so just wait till the patch cuz if they end up working as good as they should, shottys are gonna scare the crap out of people cuz people that don't use them have no clue how broken they are and their gonna be crying when they work. Good scouts have no problem sneaking an getting the shot, the only reason targets are living through this is because of busted detection, so they have no clue how deadly life's gonna be in a week if the patch works an every shot lands. =ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ SUPER FORUM SAIYAN 3 KaaaamEeeHHAAAAMmmMAHHHAAAAAHH!
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1203	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:59:00 - [12] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Breach is the only UP shotgun in the game. Cant really one shot most players unless you fit 1-2 damage mods or go for the head, seems balanced. Standard breach will one hit anything except a really tanked heavy or logi. I usually will only use it if I'm running against proto people while I run cheap fits. One breach shot and SMG them to death What is a signature?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 310	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:00:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: You honestly think a guy with 83 YouTube subs and nearly 700 videos can be bothered to reply on a forum where the actual dust players are? No. Just remember, the shotgun isn't up because hit detection/misfire/range no no no, It's up because it's not heavy enough. That's right, it needs more weight. Heh. He sent me a message through Youtube because he thinks I "envy" him and that I'm "jealous." Of what, your inability to correctly use shotguns? Just a mini-rant, I honestly think they are pretty balanced. It's always fun using them :D We are talking about Ceo Pyrex right? he's the only DUST player that comes to mind with a possible 700 youtube videos. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 234	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:02:00 - [14] - Quote OZAROW wrote: The sg an nk are supposed to be fixed next patch. I think that a proto an damage mods should drop med frames in one shot if the range is what it is. But sometimes it takes 3 to a starter fit an their ar still kills you in under a sec. But if they increase the range an fix hit detection all the good shotgunners are gonna be the reason in two weeks your gonna see AR users posting shotguns are op threads everywhere. We're used to them being crap so just wait till the patch cuz if they end up working as good as they should, shottys are gonna scare the crap out of people cuz people that don't use them have no clue how broken they are and their gonna be crying when they work. Good scouts have no problem sneaking an getting the shot, the only reason targets are living through this is because of busted detection, so they have no clue how deadly life's gonna be in a week if the patch works an every shot lands. =ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ SUPER FORUM SAIYAN 3 KaaaamEeeHHAAAAMmmMAHHHAAAAAHH! Two things that make me poop myself because of beta: lazors and shotguns. So many repressed memories. .. Something witty here. How about? #DELAY 514 ... been waiting for a rail rifle longer than SoTa's been trolling.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 799	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:05:00 - [15] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Breach is the only UP shotgun in the game. Cant really one shot most players unless you fit 1-2 damage mods or go for the head, seems balanced. Standard breach will one hit anything except a really tanked heavy or logi. I usually will only use it if I'm running against proto people while I run cheap fits. One breach shot and SMG them to death Sentence ended with a period. First sentence was about breach Second sentence was about shotguns in general needing damage mods to one shot most average build players.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1861	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:11:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased): The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily on the weight of the Shotgun. If is not underpowered or overpowered, except for sometimes. But all the time it is not heavy enough to be a real-life shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavy, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be, then people won't complain about the Shotgun because of its weight.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1342	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:15:00 - [17] - Quote You like like dipshit? lol 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1641	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:19:00 - [18] - Quote Would there be any chance that the SG isn't underpowered but that light dropsuits simply aren't working at maximum potential at the moment? I mean, with cloaking, better EWAR mechanics and other changes to gameplay/light dropsuits, the shotgun as it is currently could become very deadly. I personally find it difficult to make suggestion threads mainly because there are so many bloody factors to take into consideration when suggesting a change or giving feedback that I end up presenting to myself the counter-arguments for the very existence of the thread and end up deleting everything before I post. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1108	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:19:00 - [19] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased): The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily on the weight of the Shotgun. If is not underpowered or overpowered, except for sometimes. But all the time it is not heavy enough to be a real-life shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavy, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be, then people won't complain about the Shotgun because of its weight. oh ._. lock this thread please :D
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1342	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:22:00 - [20] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Would there be any chance that the SG isn't underpowered but that light dropsuits simply aren't working at maximum potential at the moment? I mean, with cloaking, better EWAR mechanics and other changes to gameplay/light dropsuits, the shotgun as it is currently could become very deadly. I personally find it difficult to make suggestion threads mainly because there are so many bloody factors to take into consideration when suggesting a change or giving feedback that I end up presenting to myself the counter-arguments for the very existence of the thread and end up deleting everything before I post. That, and hit detection is the only problem with them. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1317	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:26:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I honestly think the Shotguns need more range. I can't endorse that as a SG user.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1038	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:27:00 - [22] - Quote shotties should also have a wider kill area. im sorry but in cqc I shouldn't have to aim, just fire and my opponent should be near death if not obliterated.
Peter Hanther Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 52	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:28:00 - [23] - Quote My shotgun sometimes feels over powered actually Just another Logi with a shotgun
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1318	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:29:00 - [24] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: shotties should also have a wider kill area. im sorry but in cqc I shouldn't have to aim, just fire and my opponent should be near death if not obliterated. It's weird how the current SG operation skill works. It tightens the cone of fire. I guess that is what Gallente shotguns are meant to do. I can't wait for a old school looking Minmatar SG with a wide sprade.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1110	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:31:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: shotties should also have a wider kill area. im sorry but in cqc I shouldn't have to aim, just fire and my opponent should be near death if not obliterated. It's weird how the current SG operation skill works. It tightens the cone of fire. I guess that is what Gallente shotguns are meant to do. I can't wait for a old school looking Minmatar SG with a wide sprade. I JUST HAD AN IDEA OMG A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version! :D :D
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2450	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:37:00 - [26] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I JUST HAD AN IDEA OMG A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version! :D I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology. Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies. Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding. I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1110	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:41:00 - [27] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I JUST HAD AN IDEA OMG A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version! :D I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology. Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies. Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding. yes YES I would spec into that :D And I rarely spec into anything else nowadays.....my Logi is bound to get nerfed due to all the QQ lately :( :D
VikingKong iBUN Mcalpines Fusiliers Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:44:00 - [28] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased): The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily upon the weight of the Shotgun. It is not underpowered or overpowered, but is absolutely underpowered, except for the times when it is overpowered. But all the time, it is not heavy enough to be a real-life video-game Shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavier, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be in concept, then people won't complain about the Shotgun. Because of its weight. its weight is certainly underpowered, it should get a size and weight buff - so that its a heavy weapon - and also a damage and range buff ofc - awesome gallente heavy blaster weapon! then light shotguns can be smaller, cos at the moment they're the same size as the scout wielding them, looks like they'd slow him down a lot
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:47:00 - [29] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased): The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily upon the weight of the Shotgun. It is not underpowered or overpowered, but is absolutely underpowered, except for the times when it is overpowered. But all the time, it is not heavy enough to be a real-life video-game Shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavier, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be in concept, then people won't complain about the Shotgun. Because of its weight. its weight is certainly underpowered, it should get a size and weight buff - so that its a heavy weapon - and also a damage and range buff ofc - awesome gallente heavy blaster weapon! then light shotguns can be smaller, cos at the moment they're the same size as the scout wielding them all OKO weapons do not need to be heavy in wheight and mass. plamsa cannon is a light weapon. Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
VikingKong iBUN Mcalpines Fusiliers Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:48:00 - [30] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I JUST HAD AN IDEA OMG A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version! :D I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology. Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies. Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding. or scrambler shotgun? fires spread normally but can be charged to fire like a slug?!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1318	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:51:00 - [31] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I JUST HAD AN IDEA OMG A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version! :D I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology. Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies. Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding. it would be awesome and look amazing.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1863	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:11:00 - [32] - Quote Personal Opinions: Standard Shotgun: We won't know if it is balanced or not until it performs reliably (hopefully by 1.6). Breach Shotgun: Needs work.
Aleksander Black Immortal Retribution 238	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:20:00 - [33] - Quote Definitely not UP. They scare the **** out of me. Although I believe that it requires skill, even when they get hit detection on spot, but that's how things are supposed to be after all: people that know what they are doing with a good weapon will take it to another level of lethality, be it the SG or something else.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1006	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:36:00 - [34] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased): The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily upon the weight of the Shotgun. It is not underpowered or overpowered, but is absolutely underpowered, except for the times when it is overpowered. But all the time, it is not heavy enough to be a real-life video-game Shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavier, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be in concept, then people won't complain about the Shotgun. Because of its weight. King Thunderbolt has Evidence which not only explains but proves the above weight problem with the Shotgun. I admit to having had difficulty following his logic, and would very much like to learn more. Wut lol! I speakith in thamost unlikely mess of all riddles! =ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ SUPER FORUM SAIYAN 3 KaaaamEeeHHAAAAMmmMAHHHAAAAAHH!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 513	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:38:00 - [35] - Quote Imo they just need a bit of a range buff Id make the normal shotguns optimal 8m and the breaches optimal 10m
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 713	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:14:00 - [36] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: You honestly think a guy with 83 YouTube subs and nearly 700 videos can be bothered to reply on a forum where the actual dust players are? No. Just remember, the shotgun isn't up because hit detection/misfire/range no no no, It's up because it's not heavy enough. That's right, it needs more weight. Heh. Deleted :D Same here "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Aqua-Regia 492	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:16:00 - [37] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I honestly think the Shotguns need more range. I find myself getting one shotted at 10 meters by a Shotgun. I don't know if it's because I suck or not lol This GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòíNewbieGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú0000GòáGòòGòÜGòíMHPDGòPGò¢
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 627	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:24:00 - [38] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased): The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily upon the weight of the Shotgun. It is not underpowered or overpowered, but is absolutely underpowered, except for the times when it is overpowered. But all the time, it is not heavy enough to be a real-life video-game Shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavier, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be in concept, then people won't complain about the Shotgun. Because of its weight. King Thunderbolt has Evidence which not only explains but proves the above weight problem with the Shotgun. I admit to having had difficulty following his logic, and would very much like to learn more. I love this. This is like Joseph Keller's prose in Catch 22
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 472	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:25:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? BALANCED AS HELL. Its ******* epic! Yeah until you get Freedom'd by someone who turned around and say you in a scout suit I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more This is the setup of those who are unbiased
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1131	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:27:00 - [40] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? BALANCED AS HELL. Its ******* epic! Yeah until you get Freedom'd by someone who turned around and say you in a scout suit Seriously You make WAY too many posts about how you have a Freedom Mass Driver and Proficiency 5. How about in every post I make, I boast about having a Duvolle? :D
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1146	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:28:00 - [41] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? BALANCED AS HELL. Its ******* epic! Yeah until you get Freedom'd by someone who turned around and say you in a scout suit Seriously You make WAY too many posts about how you have a Freedom Mass Driver and Proficiency 5. How about in every post I make, I boast about having a Duvolle? And by the way....... Your Min Logi is nothing compared to my Duvolle with Proficiency 4 and 0 complex Damage Mods! :D
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 452	Posted - 2013.10.31 03:26:00 - [42] - Quote Hit Detection and the Weapon's Combat Utility might as well be two separate unknown variables. A question that can't be answered in a definitive way. I've been in a similar spot with the HMGs. They seem off but nailing it down is hard when there are so few games when the hits register. That being said I'm still seeing more HMGs than Shotguns in Pubs. So assuming they have the same degree of hit detection issues then it's possible shotguns are underpowered. However it is just as possible someone really borked the code on them soon as it is cleared we'll see "nerf shotgun," threads again. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 154	Posted - 2013.10.31 03:39:00 - [43] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? I dont want shottys to get a buff because once Heavy suits are usable AGAIN. I will fear the shotty if it gets a buff. Tbh tho the shotguns are like toy guns. They are UP. I would like to see it fixed. Will suck for me but personal gain isnt worth a game lacking in an area. Get your shotty buffed and my heavy suit fixed so we can fight it out!
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1869	Posted - 2013.10.31 04:01:00 - [44] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: Get your shotty buffed and my heavy suit fixed so we can fight it out! Amen to that, my fat brother!
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 11461	Posted - 2013.10.31 04:04:00 - [45] - Quote My shotgun is hungry but its underpowered :( Fix hit detection! Dust 514's #1 Forum Warrior Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 157	Posted - 2013.10.31 04:13:00 - [46] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Get your shotty buffed and my heavy suit fixed so we can fight it out! Amen to that, my fat brother! Amen!
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2190	Posted - 2013.10.31 04:17:00 - [47] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: My shotgun is hungry but its underpowered :( Fix hit detection! I hate it when i sneak behind someone , SHOOT AT HIM , hit detection fails , and i get killed. Its like , WHy?! i did everything correctly ... u.u And then there is CCP , looking down on my tears and laughing... : / u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1647	Posted - 2013.10.31 04:59:00 - [48] - Quote If hit detection is going to be fixed, there is no way Shotgun will be underpowered... when it happens to work properly (rarely), it melts faces... -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Foxbat 072 Oberon Orbital Operations 53	Posted - 2013.10.31 04:59:00 - [49] - Quote SGs could use a little more range. It always seems like there's that last sliver of health the gun can't seem to reach.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 268	Posted - 2013.10.31 14:08:00 - [50] - Quote Honestly, time will tell come tuesday. I am looking forward to testing it out again. I am hopeful but not all that optimistic for a complete fix. All weapons seem to have HD issues, so if they are equally improving across the board, ARs might instagib before scouts even have a chance at closing the range. OG shotgun is pretty well balanced if the shots stop disappearing. Breach could use some small hugs. Currently not much advantage to using it other than to warm up and improve your aim/patience. In my experience, what you can kill with one shot with breach you can kill easier with two shots from the OG. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1875	Posted - 2013.10.31 14:13:00 - [51] - Quote Foxbat 072 wrote: SGs could use a little more range. It always seems like there's that last sliver of health the gun can't seem to reach. Agreed. Less drop-off and/or a meter or two added range would likely suffice. Nothing on scale with Chromosome though. Peppering mercs half-way-across-the-map was a tad redongculous.
Kaughst 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 19	Posted - 2013.10.31 14:56:00 - [52] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Foxbat 072 wrote: SGs could use a little more range. It always seems like there's that last sliver of health the gun can't seem to reach. Agreed. Less drop-off and/or a meter or two added range would likely suffice. Nothing on scale with Chromosome though. Peppering mercs half-way-across-the-map was a tad redongculous. They mentioned more shotgun variances this year at Fanfest. Having a Minmatar shotgun that racially has more range than Gallente weapons of the same category could offer this alternative. Kaughst, kost, kogist, kaust, kahst, kog. I go by many names. Mostly because people do not know how to pronounce my name
Eldest Dragon 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 198	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:03:00 - [53] - Quote OZAROW wrote: The sg an nk are supposed to be fixed next patch. I think that a proto an damage mods should drop med frames in one shot if the range is what it is. But sometimes it takes 3 to a starter fit an their ar still kills you in under a sec. But if they increase the range an fix hit detection all the good shotgunners are gonna be the reason in two weeks your gonna see AR users posting shotguns are op threads everywhere. We're used to them being crap so just wait till the patch cuz if they end up working as good as they should, shottys are gonna scare the crap out of people cuz people that don't use them have no clue how broken they are and their gonna be crying when they work. Good scouts have no problem sneaking an getting the shot, the only reason targets are living through this is because of busted detection, so they have no clue how deadly life's gonna be in a week if the patch works an every shot lands. =ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ=ƒöÑ SUPER FORUM SAIYAN 3 KaaaamEeeHHAAAAMmmMAHHHAAAAAHH! Ozarow bro, I actually tried sg's out on an alt, and was like fk this glad I tried it first, but hopefully the hit detection fixes make em good. I'm already specing into a scout right now, and originally was doing it for nova knives, so who knows this patch might work out great for me.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 438	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:14:00 - [54] - Quote shot guns would be the most powerful if they had their hit detection fixed. i can do fine with it. all though the ohk seems to only happen at point blank range.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 506	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:27:00 - [55] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I JUST HAD AN IDEA OMG A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version! :D I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology. Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies. Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding. So if CCP did go ahead with racial shotguns, would they be like this? Gallente - The current shotgun - Short-ranged high damage Minmatar - Lower spread, lower damge per shot automatic shotgun Amarr - Laser slugs - High damage, very accurate, low ROF, low clip capacity Caldari - Elephant gun - single shot clip, very high damage, very accurate, high reload time (for a light weapon)
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 207	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:43:00 - [56] - Quote Honestly, as a someone who runs Shotgun in PC I think it needs some serious re-balancing. The Duvolle AR is still a better CQC weapon. It isn't hit-detection, it's the range on the shotgun. Simply back-pedaling when you know someone with a shotgun is there is going to be enough to get out of optimal range while you gun them down. The skills associated with shotguns are not good. Shotgun Operations: "3% reduction to shotgun spread." Proficiency with the shotgun is : "3% reduction in rate of fire per level." Rapid Reload and fitting optimizations are the same as everyone else's 1) We hope that it actually mean we fire faster because the wording says proficiency makes it take longer to fire. 2) The HK4M, once a favorite of mine because you could use it without skilling into shotguns, is useless. The dispersion on a shotgun without skill is so ridiculous is is nearly useless. 3) Proficiency 5 increases Rate of Fire from 85.71 to 98.56, or 1 shot every 0.7 seconds to 1 shot every 0.6 seconds on the normal and Rate of Fire from 60 RPM to 69, or 1 shot every second to 1 shot every 0.87 seconds. . . This is not a significant change for the SP investment 4) Rapid Reload is similarly uncostly. Rapid Reload V saves you 0.09 seconds per bullet (total 8) from 0.6 seconds to 0.51 seconds on the regular and from 1.3 seconds per bullet to 1.11 seconds. 5) fitting optimization, proto has 14 pg... like many others it doesn't really do anything My dragonfly scout runs 1 basic shield extender, shotgun, scrambler pistol, compact nanohive, complex kinetic catalyzer, enhanced repair module. It has 104 shields and 162 armor. The STD shotgun and STD breach shotgun are balanced around damage for STD suits. The Standard shotgun, if all pellets hit, does 400-480 damage (each pellet does 40 damage, 10-12 pellets). My Scout gk.0 runs 115 shields and 404 armor and does 440-528 with a PRO shotgun The weapon damage does not scale with suit eHP The Alloteck Breach cannot kill a prototype suit without a headshot. It is getting a bit ridiculous to run into a Gal and Cal logi or a heavy, score 2 direct hits, and panic as I chose whether to run or try and finish them off with a sidearm... but I usually don't get either choice and it's been 3 seconds and a Duvolle AR, a Freedom/Boundless Mass Driver, or HMG has already killed me. The Breach in the description says it is better at ranged attack compared to the regular, but optimal range is 10 or less. Scouts, Shotguns, and Sniper Rifles are very underpowered in this game. They were balanced last build, but in the 6 months Uprising they are need some love
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1883	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:50:00 - [57] - Quote Appia Vibbia / Cass Caul wrote: Excellent writeup. Agreed. Shotguns and corresponding Skills scale quite poorly when compared to those of other weapons.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2013.10.31 18:57:00 - [58] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Appia Vibbia / Cass Caul wrote: Excellent writeup. Agreed. Shotguns and corresponding Skills scale quite poorly when compared to those of other weapons. I completely agree on this one. Also the skills on the SG leave a lot to be desired compared to other weapon types.
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2013.10.31 19:16:00 - [59] - Quote Also just to clarify my point, at 13m away my shotgun has 34% efficacy
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 282	Posted - 2013.10.31 20:34:00 - [60] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Appia Vibbia / Cass Caul wrote: Excellent writeup. Agreed. Shotguns and corresponding Skills scale quite poorly when compared to those of other weapons. Agreed. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó
8213 Grade No.2 515	Posted - 2013.10.31 20:48:00 - [61] - Quote Coming froma traditional standpoint of shotguns, were you sacrifice range for extreme close up killing power, I'd say they are UP in this game. Probably to the point of being useless. Getting with in range with a shotgun itself is a challenge in this game. Then not being able to kill in 3 or less direct hits, every time, makes it useless. What's the point of using it? I think it would be UP because it can't even be used in certain gamemodes on certain maps in certain situations. For a gun to lack range and power is a double dose of UP. The way the gamemodes and maps are set up in this game, getting within Shotgun range is severly restricting. You're shackled to only certain maps, and certain areas within those maps. It is the red-headed stepchild of DUST 514, and really can't work in the game because of how the game is setup as a whole. Shotguns are always fun, and not always super effective, but in DUST its madness. I think the only solution to making the gun worth using is to take off the damage mod stacking penalty for the weapon. Back before Uprising, the Shotgun was beast to use, and was still plenty hard back then.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 316	Posted - 2013.10.31 20:59:00 - [62] - Quote Two simple options 1)3-4 more meters of optimal range or 2) Change prof skill to Damage per level like most weapon prof.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 324	Posted - 2013.10.31 21:00:00 - [63] - Quote Nerf the lag of some players man!!! they teleport everywhere dodging my shotty *Assassination is my thing.*
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2220	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:54:00 - [64] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Who thinks the Shotgun is underpowered? * Raises tiny Scout hand * Option A) Buff shotgun damage, optimal range and/or fall-off penalty. Option B) Rebalance automatic ARs and ScRs such that the SG may excel in its niche capacity.
Sky Kage The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 45	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:35:00 - [65] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Who thinks the Shotgun is underpowered? * Raises tiny Scout hand * Hit Detection is near perfect. Bricked MedFrames are tanking too many blasts. Balance dictates that a Shotgun's TTK/DPS should far outweigh the ScR and AR. Option A) Buff shotgun damage, optimal range and/or fall-off penalty. Option B) Rebalance ARs and ScRs such that the SG may excel in its niche capacity. thank you for resurrecting a dead thread. lol Happiness is as a butterfly. when pursed it's always just beyond your grasp. but should you relax, It may alight you
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 840	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:43:00 - [66] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Who thinks the Shotgun is underpowered? * Raises tiny Scout hand * Hit Detection is near perfect. Bricked MedFrames are tanking too many blasts. Balance dictates that a Shotgun's TTK/DPS should far outweigh the ScR and AR. Option A) Buff shotgun damage, optimal range and/or fall-off penalty. Option B) Rebalance ARs and ScRs such that the SG may excel in its niche capacity. thank you for resurrecting a dead thread. lol Bricked Med Frames shouldn't be able to tank a point blank shotgun blast to the chest. To many times, I get killed by med frame shotgunners who just tank the shot, and the fire before my next blast. I can't tank the dang shot, so I die and they survive with 150 armor. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 449	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:49:00 - [67] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP? If hit detection is fixed. The Shotguns will be balanced. I use the Breach shotguns (You know the ones that actually need skill? Anyone can use a CRG-3 pfft) and i secretly think is the most OP weapon in the game.(needs a little more RoF SRSLY, it already has only 2 shots why the low ROF? ) I wont say it out loud so you people dont think im crazy but.. Oh...Sh...oh well.... I never understood why all the breach weapons work the same. If I break into an area, why would I want a slow firing weapon if I am not sure where and/or how many foes they are. They can limit the range and clip size and give it good RoF. Or High RoF with concussive force and lower damage with standard reload time. Or Moderate RoF with big clip and good damage but long reload time. Simple things to give weapons and races more character.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER REDLINE ASSAULT OPERATIONS 21	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:28:00 - [68] - Quote I'm not one to do this but it has to be said. When I saw a certain someone make a video of ONE shotty kill and then to stop and aim down your sights? No... just no. Don't run around with a duvelle? think that's how you spell it one then say you 'dominate' with them. Hardly use it than you think you can rewrite the books for shotguns.-That is all. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT When in doubt, shoot the hostage. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2021	Posted - 2013.12.12 11:55:00 - [69] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I'm not one to do this but it has to be said. When I saw a certain someone make a video of ONE shotty kill and then to stop and aim down your sights? No... just no. Don't run around with a duvelle? think that's how you spell it one then say you 'dominate' with them. Hardly use it than you think you can rewrite the books for shotguns.-That is all. Bumped a dead thread /sigh When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!

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