I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP?

I honestly think the Shotguns need more range.

I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP?

You honestly think a guy with 83 YouTube subs and nearly 700 videos can be bothered to reply on a forum where the actual dust players are? No.

Just remember, the shotgun isn't up because hit detection/misfire/range no no no, It's up because it's not heavy enough.

That's right, it needs more weight.

Heh.

Breach is the only UP shotgun in the game. Cant really one shot most players unless you fit 1-2 damage mods or go for the head, seems balanced.

He sent me a message through Youtube because he thinks I "envy" him and that I'm "jealous." Of what, your inability to correctly use shotguns?

Just a mini-rant, I honestly think they are pretty balanced. It's always fun using them :D

The sg an nk are supposed to be fixed next patch.
I think that a proto an damage mods should drop med frames in one shot if the range is what it is. But sometimes it takes 3 to a starter fit an their ar still kills you in under a sec.
But if they increase the range an fix hit detection all the good shotgunners are gonna be the reason in two weeks your gonna see AR users posting shotguns are op threads everywhere.

We're used to them being crap so just wait till the patch cuz if they end up working as good as they should, shottys are gonna scare the crap out of people cuz people that don't use them have no clue how broken they are and their gonna be crying when they work.

Good scouts have no problem sneaking an getting the shot, the only reason targets are living through this is because of busted detection, so they have no clue how deadly life's gonna be in a week if the patch works an every shot lands.

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Standard breach will one hit anything except a really tanked heavy or logi.

I usually will only use it if I'm running against proto people while I run cheap fits. One breach shot and SMG them to death

I understand the Shotgun has bad hit detection, but if the hit detection issues were ever fixed, who would say that the shotgun is "Balanced," or at the very least, not UP?

King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased):

The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily on the weight of the Shotgun. If is not underpowered or overpowered, except for sometimes. But all the time it is not heavy enough to be a real-life shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavy, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be, then people won't complain about the Shotgun because of its weight.

Would there be any chance that the SG isn't underpowered but that light dropsuits simply aren't working at maximum potential at the moment? I mean, with cloaking, better EWAR mechanics and other changes to gameplay/light dropsuits, the shotgun as it is currently could become very deadly.

I personally find it difficult to make suggestion threads mainly because there are so many bloody factors to take into consideration when suggesting a change or giving feedback that I end up presenting to myself the counter-arguments for the very existence of the thread and end up deleting everything before I post.

I honestly think the Shotguns need more range.

shotties should also have a wider kill area.

im sorry but in cqc I shouldn't have to aim, just fire and my opponent should be near death if not obliterated.

It's weird how the current SG operation skill works. It tightens the cone of fire. I guess that is what Gallente shotguns are meant to do.

I can't wait for a old school looking Minmatar SG with a wide sprade.

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A GOLD SHOTGUN for the Amarr version!

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I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology.
Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies.

Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding.

King Thunderbolt -- an outspoken authority on the subject -- has indicated the following (paraphrased):

The problem with the Shotgun is based primarily upon the weight of the Shotgun. It is not underpowered or overpowered, but is absolutely underpowered, except for the times when it is overpowered. But all the time, it is not heavy enough to be a real-life video-game Shotgun. When CCP makes the Shotgun heavier, not a heavy weapon but a light weapon, like Shotguns should be in concept, then people won't complain about the Shotgun. Because of its weight.

its weight is certainly underpowered, it should get a size and weight buff - so that its a heavy weapon - and also a damage and range buff ofc - awesome gallente heavy blaster weapon!

then light shotguns can be smaller, cos at the moment they're the same size as the scout wielding them

I don't think shotguns will fit into the Amarrian weapon ideology.
Much like in their culture Amarrians prefer to be pin-point and precise. Using "gods" holy light to vanquish their enemies.

Maybe if it was like a Slug round. A huge intense short pulse of light that decimates enemies shielding.