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Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1686	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:43:00 - [1] - Quote Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2160	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:45:00 - [2] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Amarr logi is the best ADVANCED Logi CAL and GAL Logi are the best PROTO LOGIS. Also, beating a dead horse here.... u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Cosgar ParagonX 6872	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:48:00 - [3] - Quote Link Cosgar wrote: And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic. This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man. Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 6874	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:51:00 - [4] - Quote Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 310	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:52:00 - [5] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. rarely do i have trouble downing an amarr logi. half the time i cant tell the difference between an advanced and proto one. now the caldari logi...that's another story... How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3810	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:52:00 - [6] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh **** son you just got proven wrong! "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1661	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:55:00 - [7] - Quote Don't forget that Assault and Basic Medium frames can't pick Logistics up on passive either unless they add skills and modules.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2165	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:58:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh ** son you just got proven wrong! People sould understand amarrs dont really have ''Logi'' suits. Between the low PG and sidearms, the amarr logi can only be a TRUE LOGI OR a MUDERLOGI,not both,like Cal and Gal logis do. Now ; amarrs lack a true murderlogi do it all,but have instead 2 assault suits: -Logi : Amarr assault suit with more equip , better survival chances. Goo with ALL light weapons except laser weaponry. -Assault;** More mobility and better shield regen rate, this suit excells at laser weaponry. So basically,what amarr has is Laser assault and Everything else assault XD u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Cosgar ParagonX 6874	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:00:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh ** son you just got proven wrong! People sould understand amarrs dont really have ''Logi'' suits. Between the low PG and sidearms, the amarr logi can only be a TRUE LOGI OR a MUDERLOGI,not both,like Cal and Gal logis do. Now ; amarrs lack a true murderlogi do it all,but have instead 2 assault suits: -Logi : Amarr assault suit with more equip , better survival chances. Goo with ALL light weapons except laser weaponry. -Assault;** More mobility and better shield regen rate, this suit excells at laser weaponry. So basically,what amarr has is Laser assault and Everything else assault XD I couldn't put it any better. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1687	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:01:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Link Cosgar wrote: And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic. This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man. Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks. Drag it down to my standards you should read my post Instead of assuming me a QQer. i'm trying to announce logi the best and encourage everyone who don't like to be protostomped to turn yellow. Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them. But since the natural repper means i don't have to fit armor reppairs meaning more armor plates and more hp But spreadsheet lovers found out it has more hp,can fit active scanner and nanohive,and looks sexy at the same time Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1687	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:03:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh **** son you just got proven wrong! assault rifle=no need for scrambler rifle Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3812	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:04:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh ** son you just got proven wrong! People sould understand amarrs dont really have ''Logi'' suits. Between the low PG and sidearms, the amarr logi can only be a TRUE LOGI OR a MUDERLOGI,not both,like Cal and Gal logis do. Now ; amarrs lack a true murderlogi do it all,but have instead 2 assault suits: -Logi : Amarr assault suit with more equip , better survival chances. Goo with ALL light weapons except laser weaponry. -Assault; More mobility and better shield regen rate, this suit excells at laser weaponry. So basically,what amarr has is Laser assault and Everything else assault XD I couldn't put it any better. We have a Laser and ScR assault. Logi's get the ** jobs. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1687	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:05:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cosgar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh ** son you just got proven wrong! People sould understand amarrs dont really have ''Logi'' suits. Between the low PG and sidearms, the amarr logi can only be a TRUE LOGI OR a MUDERLOGI,not both,like Cal and Gal logis do. Now ; amarrs lack a true murderlogi do it all,but have instead 2 assault suits: -Logi : Amarr assault suit with more equip , better survival chances. Goo with ALL light weapons except laser weaponry. -Assault; More mobility and better shield regen rate, this suit excells at laser weaponry. So basically,what amarr has is Laser assault and Everything else assault XD I couldn't put it any better. We have a Laser and ScR assault. Logi's get the ** jobs. ar>scr edit:sniper>Lazer rifle Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1687	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:10:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Cosgar ParagonX 6874	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:11:00 - [15] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Cosgar wrote: Link Cosgar wrote: And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic. This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man. Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks. Drag it down to my standards you should read my post Instead of assuming me a QQer. i'm trying to announce logi the best and encourage everyone who don't like to be protostomped to turn yellow. Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them. But since the natural repper means i don't have to fit armor reppairs meaning more armor plates and more hp But spreadsheet lovers found out it has more hp,can fit active scanner and nanohive,and looks sexy at the same time If you think that's the only thing logistics is meant to do, then that post was for you. There's a lot of issues here with designed purpose, perceived practicality and negative implications. The logistics suit is designed to be a medium frame suit that trades base stats (and sidearm on the other 3 variants) for more fitting versatility over assaults. Assaults are designed with better base stats and more firepower in mind with access to two weapons. Some people prefer to use logistics for that fitting versatility and even a more support focus in mind, others prefer better firepower. Neither suit is really better than the other because they do different things better. A better FPS player might be better in a logistics suit despite the lack of sidearm and find more toys to play with in their equipment slots. It's all just a matter of preference of play instead of this unfortunate implication that logistics > assault. This was true at one point with the Caldari logistics of old because it could literally fill every role on the field short of carrying heavy weapons at proto level, but that already got sorted out. Most people that complain about logi > assault completely ignore the different play style dynamic. We have the freedom to fit our suits how we want and as long as a logistics suit can't be better than an assault in all areas at the same time, in one single fitting like before, both are just incomparables that people will argue over until the end of time. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 6874	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:15:00 - [16] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault I don't see any offensive bonuses that the logistics has that the assault doesn't. The argument before was that logistics players were ignoring their equipment to be extra tanky. You just stated a fit that's using equipment. A good FPS player is going to be a good FPS player despite the suit, and in most cases the weapon. Doesn't mean the logi is better than the assault but a better player in a different suit with more equipment options. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Useful Blueberry Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:26:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Drag it down to my standards you should read my post Instead of assuming me a QQer. i'm trying to announce logi the best and encourage everyone who don't like to be protostomped to turn yellow. Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them. But since the natural repper means i don't have to fit armor reppairs meaning more armor plates and more hp But spreadsheet lovers found out it has more hp,can fit active scanner and nanohive,and looks sexy at the same time As a Logi in Dust, and a medic with experience in other games such as TF2 I have to say: I don't like that CCP keeps nerfing the Logi because everyone except certain people use it as a superior assault suit. People keep using these suits as mass murder machines because of their equipment and depending on what suit you use, the high/low power module slots. Everyone going yellow would be ridiculous because of the amount of people who would abuse it, not to mention the people who already do. Also, speaking from experience, "Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them". This is a good idea times when you need to push. Aside from that keeping your entire team alive, bringing everyone to at least half armor works the best. One Heavy and a Logi against a surprise ambush of 3 Assaults wouldn't have good results compared to half a team of people who are at half armor or more with shields fully charged.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1687	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:27:00 - [18] - Quote you are correct if 1. The logibro became black and yellow by passive sp and cant play fps to save their life 2.The logi uses equipment slots for uplinks,injector,rep tool, 3. said logi is using Caldari logi (a lot of damage mods make it a glass cannon) i am correct if 1.logi uses RE's,active scanner,and nanohive for ammo, (At basic level; for pgcpu) 2.uses amor plates and shield extender 3. duvolle AR and Six Kin Burst SMG I'm trying to tell you that with the right fitting logi is a better at assaulting than an assult with with the right fitting Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Cosgar ParagonX 6880	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:31:00 - [19] - Quote Useful Blueberry wrote: Cosgar wrote: Drag it down to my standards you should read my post Instead of assuming me a QQer. i'm trying to announce logi the best and encourage everyone who don't like to be protostomped to turn yellow. Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them. But since the natural repper means i don't have to fit armor reppairs meaning more armor plates and more hp But spreadsheet lovers found out it has more hp,can fit active scanner and nanohive,and looks sexy at the same time As a Logi in Dust, and a medic with experience in other games such as TF2 I have to say: I don't like that CCP keeps nerfing the Logi because everyone except certain people use it as a superior assault suit. People keep using these suits as mass murder machines because of their equipment and depending on what suit you use, the high/low power module slots. Everyone going yellow would be ridiculous because of the amount of people who would abuse it, not to mention the people who already do. Also, speaking from experience, "Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them". This is a good idea times when you need to push. Aside from that keeping your entire team alive, bringing everyone to at least half armor works the best. One Heavy and a Logi against a surprise ambush of 3 Assaults wouldn't have good results compared to half a team of people who are at half armor or more with shields fully charged. If you want to bring TF2 into this, here's how it works in Dust: -Scout = Spy/Scout/Sniper -Heavy = Pyro/Heavy -Assault and Commando = Soldier/Sniper -Logistics = Medic/Engineer/Demoman I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2170	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:35:00 - [20] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault Depends on the situation. I use the Logi because i have it profile dampned. I use logi because its my main AV fit and i can pack 700+ WHP while using 2 cx damage mods for my Swarms... But my Imperial + Quantum active scanner Amarr assault is better at killing. And it will be better once ARs are nerfed. u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1688	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:36:00 - [21] - Quote and im saying ignoring it's job. logi is better at attacking than it's assault counterpart yes a logi is ment to help it's team and be selfless but logi unfortunatly is better at your so called "commando" role than the assault Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1688	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault Depends on the situation. I use the Logi because i have it profile dampned. I use logi because its my main AV fit and i can pack 700+ WHP while using 2 cx damage mods for my Swarms... But my Imperial + Quantum active scanner Amarr assault is better at killing. And it will be better once ARs are nerfed. i will say it again as people seem to ignore my post THE LOGI CAN FIT THAT ACTIVE SCANNER WITH REMOTE EXPLOSIVES AND NANOHIVES FOR AMMO Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 162	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:41:00 - [23] - Quote I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it
Cosgar ParagonX 6880	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:41:00 - [24] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault Depends on the situation. I use the Logi because i have it profile dampned. I use logi because its my main AV fit and i can pack 700+ WHP while using 2 cx damage mods for my Swarms... But my Imperial + Quantum active scanner Amarr assault is better at killing. And it will be better once ARs are nerfed. i will say it again as people seem to ignore my post THE LOGI CAN FIT THAT ACTIVE SCANNER WITH REMOTE EXPLOSIVES AND NANOHIVES FOR AMMO And he's doing his job as a logistics with using his equipment. The original argument about logi > assault was that a logistics suit could ignore their equipment to be a better assault because they could get more tank. You have a logistics suit that's using equipment and doesn't have that insane tank- which an Amarr logi can't get over its assault counterpart. Working as intended, but you just want assaults to do more. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2171	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:42:00 - [25] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: i will say it again as people seem to ignore my post THE LOGI CAN FIT THAT ACTIVE SCANNER WITH REMOTE EXPLOSIVES AND NANOHIVES FOR AMMO[/i] Yes they can,but that doesnt make it better at KILLING. It just does MORE stuff.... Killing is killing; Mobility + Weapon equipped + HP = Killing ability R/E are situational Ammo is NOT needed for my IMP scramler rifle. My assault carries an active scanner. See? :3 u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 468	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:44:00 - [26] - Quote "514" Threads are trending YAY If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1688	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:45:00 - [27] - Quote Once more i have to repeat myself for misunderstanding Killing equipment=RE,Active Scanner,nanohive for self supplying ammo, True Medic Equipment=rep tool,droplink,nanite injector This is about logi's being better assaults so i don't want to see another post about logi using healing methods or what a logi is supposed to do. Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1709	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:45:00 - [28] - Quote Bacon 514
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 468	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:46:00 - [29] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
m twiggz Eternal Beings 118	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:47:00 - [30] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. I'll correct your statement for you. Lets face the facts: Logi AK.0 is as equal of a "DROPSUIT" as all dropsuits in the game right now. Can not do everything an assault can do. Assaults run faster with a better strafe speed, causing people to not always hit them even with an aim assisted AR. Logistic suits have more slots than assault suits because they're designed to play a different role. Scouts* are still a very admirable opponent (given the right player is in the suit). Heavies, good heavies, survive much longer than .2 seconds with their HP buff as long as they're being used properly. Caldari Logistic suits have no sidearm, not rendering them useless in the middle or end of the match given that they carry nano hives. For a less agitated experience, Join the Quit Crying today. = Need some fixes/loving from CCP.

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 470	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:50:00 - [31] - Quote It will be. REs will be the best way for Medium frames to kill tanks and LAVs in 1.7, and with Logistics you can carry ADV and proto with Nanohives and a Drop Uplink in case you die.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2171	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:51:00 - [32] - Quote while playing offensivly: GÖªAmarr Logi: Offensive Murderlogi. Capacity to carry sidearms and up to 3 Cx damage mods with enough armor to survive firefights GÖª Cal Logi and Gal logi: HP tanks. Having higher HP value in the game they can sutain massive amounts of damage and still be faster than heavies. GÖª Minmatar logi: Scout logi. With the ability to be fast , dual tank and hack fast is the ultimate flanking logi. u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1688	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:52:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics I am done with this thread. It has turned into a gangbang 1-v-all ignorance contest between the OP and everybody I will leave saying this. 1. with killing items used in equipment slots (please note that i am using an amarr proto logi) 2. with maxed out tanking moduels 3. with duvolle AR and six kin burst SMG Logi is more of a threat than a assault. we are not the selfless people who want to help people but the slayers who want to boost their K/D ratio (not everybody) Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2171	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:55:00 - [34] - Quote 1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5.... A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 499	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:02:00 - [35] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Atiim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics I am done with this thread. It has turned into a gangbang 1-v-all ignorance contest between the OP and everybody I will leave saying this. 1. with killing items used in equipment slots (please note that i am using an amarr proto logi) 2. with maxed out tanking moduels 3. with duvolle AR and six kin burst SMG Logi is more of a threat than a assault. we are not the selfless people who want to help people but the slayers who want to boost their K/D ratio (not everybody) And when you come up against an Assault ak.0 running an Imperial, you'll eat your words. Again, and again.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1688	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:02:00 - [36] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5.... A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. go to market>go to weapons>go to light weapons>go to SMG> scroll all the way down(it's around the bottom) point 2 makes me want to throw up as i have been proving that wrong throuought the thread (again nobody reads my post) point3 isnt all that bad scouts will have a purpose instead of LAV's in the beggining of the match. and that might atleast give me a reason to continue skilling into assault Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1688	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:05:00 - [37] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Atiim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics I am done with this thread. It has turned into a gangbang 1-v-all ignorance contest between the OP and everybody I will leave saying this. 1. with killing items used in equipment slots (please note that i am using an amarr proto logi) 2. with maxed out tanking moduels 3. with duvolle AR and six kin burst SMG Logi is more of a threat than a assault. we are not the selfless people who want to help people but the slayers who want to boost their K/D ratio (not everybody) And when you come up against an Assault ak.0 running an Imperial, you'll eat your words. Again, and again. somebody obviously did not read this thread before posting. I will not repeat myself again,read some F*ing post on this thread or don't comment at all! Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 499	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:07:00 - [38] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Atiim wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics I am done with this thread. It has turned into a gangbang 1-v-all ignorance contest between the OP and everybody I will leave saying this. 1. with killing items used in equipment slots (please note that i am using an amarr proto logi) 2. with maxed out tanking moduels 3. with duvolle AR and six kin burst SMG Logi is more of a threat than a assault. we are not the selfless people who want to help people but the slayers who want to boost their K/D ratio (not everybody) And when you come up against an Assault ak.0 running an Imperial, you'll eat your words. Again, and again. somebody obviously did not read this thread before posting. I will not repeat myself again,read some F*ing post on this thread I read them all. Checkmate apparently runs a scanner with his imperial. Imperial doesn't need nanohives. Assault has one equip slot for scanner. REs are completely situational and not particularly useful for storming an objective. Assault ak.0 can fire his Imperial 25% longer than me, and I'll kill you with mine on my logi gk.0.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2171	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:08:00 - [39] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5.... A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. go to market>go to weapons>go to light weapons>go to SMG> scroll all the way down(it's around the bottom) point 2 makes me want to throw up as i have been proving that wrong throuought the thread (again nobody reads my post) point3 isnt all that bad scouts will have a purpose instead of LAV's in the beggining of the match. and that might atleast give me a reason to continue skilling into assault 1-I must be blind. I cant find a Burst SMG... 2-I isnist at ADV level Assaults and Logis are balanced. The Amarr Logi being the best of all. At proto level however, amarr logi falls behind many assaults and the other logis surpass the assault. 3-well yeah. u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1689	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:10:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5.... A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. go to market>go to weapons>go to light weapons>go to SMG> scroll all the way down(it's around the bottom) point 2 makes me want to throw up as i have been proving that wrong throuought the thread (again nobody reads my post) point3 isnt all that bad scouts will have a purpose instead of LAV's in the beggining of the match. and that might atleast give me a reason to continue skilling into assault 1-I must be blind. I cant find a Burst SMG... 2-I insist at ADV level Assaults and Logis are balanced. The Amarr Logi being the best of all. At proto level however, amarr logi falls behind many assaults and the other logis surpass the assault. 3-well yeah. STILL BLIND check the kill feed for his smg kills Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1038	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:11:00 - [41] - Quote just like I stated in my thread in feedback about logi suits vs all other suits... why would you want to spec into anything else? logies can do it all well enough to make the other suits negligibly better at performing the same task 2 equally skilled players, 1 in a logi suit, the other in whatever other suit he wants.... the logi will always win.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1689	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:13:00 - [42] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: just like I stated in my thread in feedback about logi suits vs all other suits... why would you want to spec into anything else? logies can do it all well enough to make the other suits negligibly better at performing the same task 2 equally skilled players, 1 in a logi suit, the other in whatever other suit he wants.... the logi will always win. finally some1 who understand what i'm trying to say +1 Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 501	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:14:00 - [43] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: 1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5.... A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. go to market>go to weapons>go to light weapons>go to SMG> scroll all the way down(it's around the bottom) point 2 makes me want to throw up as i have been proving that wrong throuought the thread (again nobody reads my post) point3 isnt all that bad scouts will have a purpose instead of LAV's in the beggining of the match. and that might atleast give me a reason to continue skilling into assault 1-I must be blind. I cant find a Burst SMG... 2-I insist at ADV level Assaults and Logis are balanced. The Amarr Logi being the best of all. At proto level however, amarr logi falls behind many assaults and the other logis surpass the assault. 3-well yeah. STILL BLIND check the kill feed for his smg kills Did you even watch the video? Six Kin is basic SMG, not burst. THERE IS NO PRO BURST SMG. even if there were, Ishukone'd be better
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1689	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:16:00 - [44] - Quote never said it was proto smg using an ishukone would only prove my point even more lets get back to the mian disscusion instead of minor details EDIT: i chose six kin because it's less cpu/pg heavy than the proto versions Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2172	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:17:00 - [45] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: STILL BLIND check the kill feed for his smg kills It says Six Kin SMG. no ''BURST'' anywhere . XD Hahaa im a proficient SMG user and i know them all by heart,even the stats of course. I was just teasing you because i know for a FACT there is no Burst variant. But for a second i was like...is THERE a Burst SMG? why havnt i tested it? GÖª Regular variants GÖª Assault variants GÖª Breach (AKA: CRAP) Variants Voila. Anyhow... its not thread realted ,so matter not. lets continue.... u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1180	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:20:00 - [46] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I have proto of both, confirming this. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1690	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:20:00 - [47] - Quote i mistakenly added "Burst" to it as i am used to seeing burst next to it on the proto HMG back to the main disscusion Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 502	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:22:00 - [48] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: never said it was proto smg using an ishukone would only prove my point even more lets get back to the mian disscusion instead of minor details EDIT: i chose six kin because it's less cpu/pg heavy than the proto versions Soulja Ghostface wrote: 3. duvolle AR and Six Kin Burst SMG From the bottom of the first page. Six Kin (corporation name) = proto Burst (weapon type) = burst Now. Clearly, you don't think that the immense increase in damage potential afforded by the Assault Ak.0's bonus is significant. I am inclined to think otherwise. Do I think that the assault suits suffer at the moment? Yes. Their bonuses are appalling, almost across the board. Fix those, and that should sort out quite a few of their problems. I disagree that a "logi with the right fitting is better than assaulting than an assault with the right fitting". The increased mobility of the assault suit is invaluable in assaulting, considering the potential for flanking manouevres it affords. EDITed for clarity and to get rid of some unnecessary passive aggression
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1690	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:24:00 - [49] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I have proto of both, confirming this. notice how assault is only better with lazer weaponry. who in their right minds use ScR over AR. (people who put sp assault and don't want to switch to logi) i am actively working on getting proto amarr logi and forgetting about my ADV amarr assault (I wasted sp going to proto heavy frame) Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 502	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:26:00 - [50] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I have proto of both, confirming this. notice how assault is only better with lazer weaponry. who in their right minds use ScR over AR. (people who put sp assault and don't want to switch to logi) i am actively working on getting proto amarr logi and forgetting about my ADV amarr assault (I wasted sp going to proto heavy frame) If you're a decent shot, and know how to use it, ScR wins in 1v1s. Always. If you need the rapidfire, you have an assault variant with longer range than Gallente AR. If you can deal with not overheating (and I hear it's super convenient to have the Amarr Assault bonus) then Imperial will be your best friend forever.

Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1108	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:26:00 - [51] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now I agree. Why do you think I chose it? :D
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 88	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:29:00 - [52] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die) For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Amarr Logi is the "Combat" logi suit. It's totally said that it's an hybrid between "Assault" and "Logi" not totally logi not totally assault So yes he's supposed to be the best Logi suit for battle. (He only got 3 equipements and less PG and is slower with less stamina). AND really important have the same hitbox than an Heavy. We have 3 slot at left. So we MUST choose shield OR damage. Actually he's killed pretty easily so i don't see problem with him. I mean i'm not really fast (so can't dodge combat or bullets) and the actual DPS is so high that i could have 200ehp or my actual 850-900 that i'm down as fast.... The real problem is CalLogi. 9 slot : 5 left 4 right this is just INSANE. Can tank shield and armor AND have damager...... Better Logi combat suit thnt amarr that is supposed to be battle suit.... And NO a sidearm is not balancing EVERYTHING..... Ak.0 is not "cheated" next to a caldari Logi or a lot of assault suit. Sorry guys but really often i see assault at 1200ehp so stop crynig we are ALWAYS more powerful than you it's a lie. Logi need a rework YES but assault is not suppose to be "the ultimate class" don't forget.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:30:00 - [53] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Cosgar wrote: Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I have proto of both, confirming this. notice how assault is only better with lazer weaponry. who in their right minds use ScR over AR. (people who put sp assault and don't want to switch to logi) i am actively working on getting proto amarr logi and forgetting about my ADV amarr assault (I wasted sp going to proto heavy frame) If you're a decent shot, and know how to use it, ScR wins in 1v1s. Always. If you need the rapidfire, you have an assault variant with longer range than Gallente AR. If you can deal with not overheating (and I hear it's super convenient to have the Amarr Assault bonus) then Imperial will be your best friend forever. If you think ima just derp charge enemies and get shot down you have another thing coming. charge shot on ScR have been ninja nerfed by making the charge shot smaller. and the bonus is around 5+ normal shots. even with bonus they can't beat AR. AR is too accurate,longer range than AScR, and i can do 80+ damage a shot with the TAC AR. not to mention it is good at hipfiring Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
JL3Eleven 1192	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:31:00 - [54] - Quote Proto assault logi ck.0 suit is better than the proto assault ck.0 suit simple fact. P.S. Cosgar is a fanboi with more forum likes than kills lol. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2172	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:33:00 - [55] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: just like I stated in my thread in feedback about logi suits vs all other suits... why would you want to spec into anything else? logies can do it all well enough to make the other suits negligibly better at performing the same task 2 equally skilled players, 1 in a logi suit, the other in whatever other suit he wants.... the logi will always win. finally some1 who understand what i'm trying to say +1 Actually: GÖª The AMARR ASSAULT does have a good bonus that makes people skill into it instead of Logi's. 25% Heat buildup reduction HAS saved me a lot , specially vs enemy laser users with different dropsuits. GÖª Another option besides the speed increase i mentioned before is giving ASSAULT suits better assault bonuses,for example: Amarr: Same (Better at using lazors!) Gallente:+10% Ammo capacity per level (so they can use the equipment slot for somethign else! ) Minmatar: 10% Sidearm clip size per level (SMG up to 120 per clip, Scrambler rifles get some more bullets up to 15 scrambler pistols and 13 breach , 31 BURST!!!) Caldari: shield tank bonus make a DIFFERENCE (instead of 2%): +8% Shield Extender efficiency per level. (This adds up to +40% shield ext efficiency PLUS the default 10% = +50% Shield efficiency = +99HP per cx shield extender) This way caldaris can Shield tank a LOT better with 4 Cx shield ext that equal 6 , 66 HP extenders OR use 2 Cx Shield extenders that equal 3 with 2 cx damage mods,so on... '' who in their right minds use ScR over AR'' = Me? People who like a challenge? not FOTM chasers? maybe? Amarr loyalists? Minmatar punks with a secret crush for amarr? Gallente tryhards that only wish the amarr ould accept them? i dont know... XD u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1110	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:40:00 - [56] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: just like I stated in my thread in feedback about logi suits vs all other suits... why would you want to spec into anything else? logies can do it all well enough to make the other suits negligibly better at performing the same task 2 equally skilled players, 1 in a logi suit, the other in whatever other suit he wants.... the logi will always win. lies...... *LIES!!!!* DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE BEEN DROPPED BY A PROTO CALDARI ASSAULT OR PROTO MINMATAR ASSAULT?!?!?!?! :D
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 310	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:41:00 - [57] - Quote I like these threads wish there were more.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1110	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:42:00 - [58] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I like these threads wish there were more. As if there isn't too many already :D
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:43:00 - [59] - Quote how is lazer weapon heat buildup important if im using the almight duvolle it beats Scr without a bonus (if AR's had a bonus sweet jesus i would melt faces off quicker than you could blink) Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1110	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:46:00 - [60] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: how is lazer weapon heat buildup important if im using the almight duvolle it beats Scr without a bonus (if AR's had a bonus sweet jesus i would melt faces off quicker than you could blink) You are wrong. An Imperial can deal out more damage in a shorter time, at the right range and with the right aim. How do you like THAT :p :D

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:50:00 - [61] - Quote you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
taxi bastard S.A.C. Strategic 8	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:52:00 - [62] - Quote on my alt toon I am playing around with a basic caldari logi fit. from my limited experience the biggest problem with the logi is its WP/ISK making potential. you can have a terrible game and still be near the top of the leaderboard.......have a good one and OMG HOW MUCH ISK did I make. and that's with a poorly fitted basic suit. does that make me leet?
Dachande Anasazi Immortal Guides 60	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:54:00 - [63] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: [quote=Cosgar] Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them. Make heavies better then...THey die faster than anything else...And no that is NOT our ultimate goal..kthnxbai
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:54:00 - [64] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: on my alt toon I am playing around with a basic caldari logi fit. from my limited experience the biggest problem with the logi is its WP/ISK making potential. you can have a terrible game and still be near the top of the leaderboard.......have a good one and OMG HOW MUCH ISK did I make. and that's with a poorly fitted basic suit. does that make me leet? i dont think you will lose that much isk with a STD cal logi Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1113	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:54:00 - [65] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Have you even tried the Scrambler out? That thing is GODLY (<---Stupid Amarr, putting that in my head -_-). The only reason I stopped using it is for cost and Fitting requirements :/ :D
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:59:00 - [66] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Have you even tried the Scrambler out? That thing is GODLY (<---Stupid Amarr, putting that in my head -_-). The only reason I stopped using it is for cost and Fitting requirements :/ Dude. I used CRD9 AScR and imperial ScR they both suck (carthum is way to expensive) I then used the gek-38 and found it better than those. duvolle would have been even better Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1115	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:00:00 - [67] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Have you even tried the Scrambler out? That thing is GODLY (<---Stupid Amarr, putting that in my head -_-). The only reason I stopped using it is for cost and Fitting requirements :/ Dude. I used CRD9 AScR and imperial ScR they both suck (carthum is way to expensive) I then used the gek-38 and found it better than those. duvolle would have been even better hmmm I don't think you were using them right. Ask anyone that uses them and they will tell you that they can out-kill a Duvolle any day. :D
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:04:00 - [68] - Quote then that duvolle user was a scrub with more likes than kills. the ScR rifle was a product of Carthum industries making royal butthurt weapons for the butthurt empress of a butthurt empire. Too pridefull to make a golden AR. they make a SCR that sucks. Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1115	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:05:00 - [69] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: then that duvolle user was a scrub with more likes than kills. the ScR rifle was a product of Carthum industries making royal butthurt weapons for the butthurt empress of a butthurt empire. Too pridefull to make a golden AR. they make a SCR that sucks. The Scrambler is the Amarrian equivalent of the AR. Your theory is wrong :D :D
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:07:00 - [70] - Quote Equivilent.!! overheat,range,uber damage to armor tankers, Equivilent more like a cheap wannabe knockoff Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com

Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:08:00 - [71] - Quote should i also metion the flashing lights that make it invisible to see a black suit in manu's peak Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 441	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:21:00 - [72] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: you are correct if 1. The logibro became black and yellow by passive sp and cant play fps to save their life 2.The logi uses equipment slots for uplinks,injector,rep tool, 3. said logi is using Caldari logi (a lot of damage mods make it a glass cannon) i am correct if 1.logi uses RE's,active scanner,and nanohive for ammo, (At basic level; for pgcpu) 2.uses amor plates and shield extender 3. duvolle AR and Six Kin Burst SMG I'm trying to tell you that with the right fitting logi is a better at assaulting than an assult with with the right fitting Burst SMG??? Huh..
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1691	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:23:00 - [73] - Quote my mistake a non burst is even better as you are not limited to to burst firing i was used to six kin burst HMG Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1184	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:54:00 - [74] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Have you even tried the Scrambler out? That thing is GODLY (<---Stupid Amarr, putting that in my head -_-). The only reason I stopped using it is for cost and Fitting requirements :/ Dude. I used CRD9 AScR and imperial ScR they both suck (carthum is way to expensive) I then used the gek-38 and found it better than those. duvolle would have been even better What game are you playing? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1123	Posted - 2013.10.31 01:54:00 - [75] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Equivilent.!! overheat,range,uber damage to armor tankers, Equivilent more like a cheap wannabe knockoff What are you saying? I said that it is the RACIAL VARIANT of the AR. Not that they are equal. But how about I 1v1 you in the TDOME and we can see if the AR is better than the Scrambler.... :D
JL3Eleven 1200	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:02:00 - [76] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Equivilent.!! overheat,range,uber damage to armor tankers, Equivilent more like a cheap wannabe knockoff What are you saying? I said that it is the RACIAL VARIANT of the AR. Not that they are equal. But how about I 1v1 you in the TDOME and we can see if the AR is better than the Scrambler.... Sooo tempting... Did you get the Templer set? I did. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge. 1696	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:04:00 - [77] - Quote no. i made my character to late. didn't people run out of those a long time ago or are they blueprints Forum Warrior level 1/CEO/When will CCP give me heavy aircraft/www.mcdustdonaldsdust514.webs.com
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1126	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:04:00 - [78] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Sooo tempting... Did you get the Templer set? I did. *stomps out of the room :D
JL3Eleven 1200	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:10:00 - [79] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: no. i made my character to late. didn't people run out of those a long time ago or are they blueprints Are you talkin to meee? I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1345	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:48:00 - [80] - Quote Jesus, hasn't CCP heard this enough? Normalize base stats and slots between logis and assaults, bar the sidearm, CPU and PG, and equipment. And then swap the idiotic rep bonus for a equipment based bonus. The only outlier would be the Amarr Logi, which could have a slightly lower base HP, by like 45 points. In truth, this would only be a nerf to HP, while being faster, recharging shields faster, and a bonus pertinant to the main difference between logis and assaults. Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.

m twiggz Eternal Beings 128	Posted - 2013.10.31 05:27:00 - [81] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Have you even tried the Scrambler out? That thing is GODLY (<---Stupid Amarr, putting that in my head -_-). The only reason I stopped using it is for cost and Fitting requirements :/ Dude. I used CRD9 AScR and imperial ScR they both suck (carthum is way to expensive) I then used the gek-38 and found it better than those. duvolle would have been even better You're just terrible with the ScR then.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 88	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:25:00 - [82] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Jesus, hasn't CCP heard this enough? Normalize base stats and slots between logis and assaults, bar the sidearm, CPU and PG, and equipment. And then swap the idiotic rep bonus for a equipment based bonus. The only outlier would be the Amarr Logi, which could have a slightly lower base HP, by like 45 points. In truth, this would only be a nerf to HP, while being faster, recharging shields faster, and a bonus pertinant to the main difference between logis and assaults. Amarr is the Combat Logi. He's supposed to have a lot more EhP than other Logi Suit and even more than assault. But really slow (actually i'm slow as an Heavy) and less stamina (i run 40 meters and i'm over). Less equipements and PG. Actually that's it so i don't really see the problem of the Ak.0 I'm tired of you assaulters... You're NOT supposed to be more eHp than Us logi where did you see that ??? Assault is NOT the ultimate battle class stop thinking that more than 2sec. Logi should be light nerfed but assault TOO.


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