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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:43:00 -
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Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die)
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:LinkCosgar wrote:And here we go with another one. You can check my post history in better topics with better arguments and even better counter arguments on why logi > assault isn't true, but I'll break it down like this: If you fit a logistics suit to be fully tanked at the cost of equipment, it's gimped down to a slightly tankier, more expensive assault suit that doesn't have a sidearm. Sure, it might win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but Dust is a team based game, that's why we have squads and that's why we have heavy suits- to enforce the teamwork dynamic.
This logistics vs assault drama has long been resolved when the CaLogi was nerfed. Back then, the CaLogi could have the highest buffer through its racial bonus, while still having an insane fitting flexibility thanks to its larger CPU/PG pool. Shield vs armor imbalance at the time also made the CaLogi more dominant as well over the other logistics suits- in fact, the Amarr actually needed a buff at the time. The killer bees died with the CaLogi, but people still complain because they want to blame something for their own shortcomings because through mental gymnastics, they believe that they can do no wrong. I die to assaults all the time, but I don't cry about it on the forums because the suit doesn't make the man.
Are the assault's bonuses underwhelming? Depends on who you ask. Is there room for improvement through better assault bonuses? Ask any Gallente or Amarr assault if they shield tank. Scouts and heavies? Do I really need to ask? Is nerfing logistics the answer? Hell no! All it's going to do is screw over another niche role and if you look around, we have enough of that. I don't know what the other suits need, because frankly, I don't use them and it would be better for those users to look for ways to improve them instead of complaining about a role they don't play because they rather drag it down to their standards. This kind of nerf everything logic is like if I posted a topic to nerf all the other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks. Drag it down to my standards you should read my post Instead of assuming me a QQer. i'm trying to announce logi the best and encourage everyone who don't like to be protostomped to turn yellow. Logi is a support role ultimately meant to crouch behind fatties rep them. But since the natural repper means i don't have to fit armor reppairs meaning more armor plates and more hp But spreadsheet lovers found out it has more hp,can fit active scanner and nanohive,and looks sexy at the same time
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die)
For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh **** son you just got proven wrong! assault rifle=no need for scrambler rifle
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Lets's face facts: Logi AK.0 is the best "DROPSUIT" in the game right now Can do everything an assault can do. assaults run faster with a better strafe speed but nobody will miss too many shots with a aim assisted AR. More slots than assault Scouts are a skinny ginger grandson (no offense to anybody) heavies will survive for .2 seconds longer with the hp buff against a duvolle Cal Logi has no sidearm so towards the middle or end of the match no sidearm will render it useless (unless you die)
For a less agitated experience, Join The Yellow Jacket Club Today. Can't use lasers better than assaults, oh **** son you just got proven wrong! People sould understand amarrs dont really have ''Logi'' suits. Between the low PG and sidearms, the amarr logi can only be a TRUE LOGI OR a MUDERLOGI,not both,like Cal and Gal logis do. Now ; amarrs lack a true murderlogi do it all,but have instead 2 assault suits:-Logi : Amarr assault suit with more equip , better survival chances. Goo with ALL light weapons except laser weaponry. -Assault; More mobility and better shield regen rate, this suit excells at laser weaponry. So basically,what amarr has is Laser assault and Everything else assault XD I couldn't put it any better. We have a Laser and ScR assault. Logi's get the **** jobs. ar>scr edit:sniper>Lazer rifle
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:10:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:27:00 -
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you are correct if 1. The logibro became black and yellow by passive sp and cant play fps to save their life 2.The logi uses equipment slots for uplinks,injector,rep tool, 3. said logi is using Caldari logi (a lot of damage mods make it a glass cannon) i am correct if 1.logi uses RE's,active scanner,and nanohive for ammo, (At basic level; for pgcpu) 2.uses amor plates and shield extender 3. duvolle AR and Six Kin Burst SMG
I'm trying to tell you that with the right fitting logi is a better at assaulting than an assult with with the right fitting
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:36:00 -
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and im saying ignoring it's job. logi is better at attacking than it's assault counterpart yes a logi is ment to help it's team and be selfless but logi unfortunatly is better at your so called "commando" role than the assault
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:37:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Cosgar wrote:Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. Ah. better offensive than logi? LMAO amarr logi has a sidearm,it can fit active scanner,nanohives for ammo,and remote explosives. it is way better at killing then the amaar assault Depends on the situation. I use the Logi because i have it profile dampned. I use logi because its my main AV fit and i can pack 700+ WHP while using 2 cx damage mods for my Swarms...
But my Imperial + Quantum active scanner Amarr assault is better at killing. And it will be better once ARs are nerfed. i will say it again as people seem to ignore my post THE LOGI CAN FIT THAT ACTIVE SCANNER WITH REMOTE EXPLOSIVES AND NANOHIVES FOR AMMO
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:45:00 -
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Once more i have to repeat myself for misunderstanding Killing equipment=RE,Active Scanner,nanohive for self supplying ammo,
True Medic Equipment=rep tool,droplink,nanite injector
This is about logi's being better assaults so i don't want to see another post about logi using healing methods or what a logi is supposed to do.
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics I am done with this thread. It has turned into a gangbang 1-v-all ignorance contest between the OP and everybody I will leave saying this. 1. with killing items used in equipment slots (please note that i am using an amarr proto logi) 2. with maxed out tanking moduels 3. with duvolle AR and six kin burst SMG Logi is more of a threat than a assault.
we are not the selfless people who want to help people but the slayers who want to boost their K/D ratio (not everybody)
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5....
A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. go to market>go to weapons>go to light weapons>go to SMG> scroll all the way down(it's around the bottom)
point 2 makes me want to throw up as i have been proving that wrong throuought the thread (again nobody reads my post) point3 isnt all that bad scouts will have a purpose instead of LAV's in the beggining of the match. and that might atleast give me a reason to continue skilling into assault
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:05:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Atiim wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I much prefer the Gallente Logi. just because the skill bonus helps with the equipment and role. you can get a great balance of good hp, damage and equipment on it I like the mimmitar logi becuae it hacks like a MOFO when you skill it up all the way, and with a complex codebreaker? Incredible. But I think the only logi meant to be a "slayer logi" is the Amarr Logistics I am done with this thread. It has turned into a gangbang 1-v-all ignorance contest between the OP and everybody I will leave saying this.1. with killing items used in equipment slots (please note that i am using an amarr proto logi) 2. with maxed out tanking moduels 3. with duvolle AR and six kin burst SMG Logi is more of a threat than a assault. we are not the selfless people who want to help people but the slayers who want to boost their K/D ratio (not everybody) And when you come up against an Assault ak.0 running an Imperial, you'll eat your words. Again, and again. somebody obviously did not read this thread before posting. I will not repeat myself again,read some F*ing post on this thread or don't comment at all!
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:1-there is not Six kin Burst SMG 2-Logis are equally offensive than assaults, the big difference being the slots at PROTO level that enable better tanking. (ADV logis and Assaults are prety balanced IMO) 3-A Good balance could be increasing Assaults Speed to the now SCOUT level, and raising Scout speeds to over 9.5....
A good speed difference would make people rethink if they want those 200 more HP (that WILL cost them ISK because of he modules) at the expense of heavy speed. go to market>go to weapons>go to light weapons>go to SMG> scroll all the way down(it's around the bottom) point 2 makes me want to throw up as i have been proving that wrong throuought the thread (again nobody reads my post) point3 isnt all that bad scouts will have a purpose instead of LAV's in the beggining of the match. and that might atleast give me a reason to continue skilling into assault 1-I must be blind. I cant find a Burst SMG... 2-I insist at ADV level Assaults and Logis are balanced. The Amarr Logi being the best of all. At proto level however, amarr logi falls behind many assaults and the other logis surpass the assault. 3-well yeah.
STILL BLIND check the kill feed for his smg kills
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:13:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:just like I stated in my thread in feedback about logi suits vs all other suits...
why would you want to spec into anything else?
logies can do it all well enough to make the other suits negligibly better at performing the same task
2 equally skilled players, 1 in a logi suit, the other in whatever other suit he wants.... the logi will always win. finally some1 who understand what i'm trying to say +1
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:16:00 -
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never said it was proto smg using an ishukone would only prove my point even more lets get back to the mian disscusion instead of minor details EDIT: i chose six kin because it's less cpu/pg heavy than the proto versions
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:20:00 -
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i mistakenly added "Burst" to it as i am used to seeing burst next to it on the proto HMG back to the main disscusion
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:24:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Cosgar wrote:Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I have proto of both, confirming this. notice how assault is only better with lazer weaponry. who in their right minds use ScR over AR. (people who put sp assault and don't want to switch to logi) i am actively working on getting proto amarr logi and forgetting about my ADV amarr assault (I wasted sp going to proto heavy frame)
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:30:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cosgar wrote:Also, Ammar assault and Amarr logistics have the best dynamic. Both are front line oriented suits, but the Assault has a better offensive bonus with laser weapons while the logistics has better survivability. In the end, it's a matter of play style and weapon choice. Neither one is better, just different. I have proto of both, confirming this. notice how assault is only better with lazer weaponry. who in their right minds use ScR over AR. (people who put sp assault and don't want to switch to logi) i am actively working on getting proto amarr logi and forgetting about my ADV amarr assault (I wasted sp going to proto heavy frame) If you're a decent shot, and know how to use it, ScR wins in 1v1s. Always. If you need the rapidfire, you have an assault variant with longer range than Gallente AR. If you can deal with not overheating (and I hear it's super convenient to have the Amarr Assault bonus) then Imperial will be your best friend forever. If you think ima just derp charge enemies and get shot down you have another thing coming. charge shot on ScR have been ninja nerfed by making the charge shot smaller. and the bonus is around 5+ normal shots. even with bonus they can't beat AR. AR is too accurate,longer range than AScR, and i can do 80+ damage a shot with the TAC AR. not to mention it is good at hipfiring
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:43:00 -
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how is lazer weapon heat buildup important if im using the almight duvolle it beats Scr without a bonus (if AR's had a bonus sweet jesus i would melt faces off quicker than you could blink)
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:50:00 -
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you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:54:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:on my alt toon I am playing around with a basic caldari logi fit.
from my limited experience the biggest problem with the logi is its WP/ISK making potential. you can have a terrible game and still be near the top of the leaderboard.......have a good one and OMG HOW MUCH ISK did I make. and that's with a poorly fitted basic suit.
does that make me leet? i dont think you will lose that much isk with a STD cal logi
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:59:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:you keep saying this optimal range are you including charge shots? i will kill u before you finish that awful heat inducing charge with both guns out of optimal range AR wins. also in CQC AR wins as better accuracy and damage per shot and RPM makes it the obvious winner Have you even tried the Scrambler out? That thing is GODLY (<---Stupid Amarr, putting that in my head -_-). The only reason I stopped using it is for cost and Fitting requirements :/ Dude. I used CRD9 AScR and imperial ScR they both suck (carthum is way to expensive) I then used the gek-38 and found it better than those. duvolle would have been even better
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:04:00 -
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then that duvolle user was a scrub with more likes than kills. the ScR rifle was a product of Carthum industries making royal butthurt weapons for the butthurt empress of a butthurt empire. Too pridefull to make a golden AR. they make a SCR that sucks.
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:07:00 -
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Equivilent.!! overheat,range,uber damage to armor tankers, Equivilent more like a cheap wannabe knockoff
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:08:00 -
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should i also metion the flashing lights that make it invisible to see a black suit in manu's peak
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:23:00 -
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my mistake a non burst is even better as you are not limited to to burst firing i was used to six kin burst HMG
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Soulja Ghostface
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:04:00 -
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no. i made my character to late. didn't people run out of those a long time ago or are they blueprints
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