Damage mods force you to give up tank for that extra gank. Proficiency gives you extra gank without having to give anything up since it's passive. What's more OP?

Damage mods force you to give up tank for that extra gank. Proficiency gives you extra gank without having to give anything up since it's passive. What's more OP?

I only use damage mods on a few suits. For me its shield extenders. In a 1 vs 1 I like to give myself the most eHP as possible to outlast the other player. There has been cases were my 700+ suit was shredded in seconds and to me that is absolute madness. They like to run 3 or more damage mods on a logi suit with a ScR. A ScR like a LR should not melt armor as easy as it does, shields yes but not armor.

PS: I run Gal Assault. I think its F***** stupid a logi suit is better at assault than a assault class. I have a Cal Logi, but I recently found the Gal Assault and I love it. It fits my play style. So I am lucky I have two play styles I can work with.

Gallente Dominate? ADV Grenade or above = GG Proto suit, and it has significantly worse recovery then Shield tankers outside of sitting on 2 Triage Hives. And that requires you to be in one spot so you risk being 1 shotted by Forge Guns, rail guns, and Sniper head-shots. Get out of hear with that BS.

Yeah thats why -+ of the proto suits i see every day are gallente Logis.
Get out of here trying to protect your suit.
You fail at it.

Thanks to armor buffs + current Stacking penalties on damage mods the Gallente Logi is the best suit for tanking+damage dealing compared only to the cal logi thanks to its 9 slots....

As an armour tanker, what do I put in my midslots other than shield extenders?

Your problems are much more linked to general logi dominance, especially in the Gallogi vs Galassault case, than to damage mods.

Also, Caldari assaults becoming obsolete? Really?

No they dont, not thanks to the Armor buffs and Logi slots,thats the main issue here. A Gal Logi can still pack 800+ EHP with 3 Cx Damage Mods.
Whats more op? Prof + Cx dam mods stack.

''Also, Caldari assaults becoming obsolete? Really?''
Compared to Cal Logi? Yeah.

No they dont, not thanks to the Armor buffs and Logi slots,thats the main issue here. A Gal Logi can still pack 800+ EHP with 3 Cx Damage Mods.
Whats more op? Prof + Cx dam mods stack.

''Also, Caldari assaults becoming obsolete? Really?''
Compared to Cal Logi? Yeah.

No they dont, not thanks to the Armor buffs and Logi slots,thats the main issue here. A Gal Logi can still pack 800+ EHP with 3 Cx Damage Mods.[/b]

Dude, seriously, you need to stop using logis as a straw man. It's turning into an unhealthy obsession. Everything is available to everyone and we all can use damage mods, no matter the suit. But you're ignoring a completely relevant issue that CCP stepped away from in Chromosome- passive skills. Haven't you noticed that the majority of our passives our tied to our equipment so that our gear becomes more powerful and not our toons? Proficiency is another one of those issues because it's always on and doesn't take up a slot. At least a suit, logi or otherwise has to give something up to equip a damage mod.

Again I'll ask, what's the bigger problem? Damage mods, or a passive skill that gives more DPS than a damage mod?

So you cry now that armor is actually a viable choice and not just inferior in allmost every aspect in the game? And if you cry about armor then you should see if you can survive a core locus grenade with a gallente suit. Damage mods work as intended and armor works as intended.

-Shield focused suits gain faster recovery, higher mobility and can use profile dampeners to stay off scanners.
-Armor tanked suits only have the option to put damage mods on. And no the scan resolution and scan range mods are crap. So there is only the option to either put shield extenders or damage mods in the high slots.

Damage mods are the direct counter against brick tanking which is really popular. And dont tell me that nobody is doing it. I still see caldari logis with over 900HP running around. So the only counter against that is crap tons of damage.

And I'm telling you that I think all that yellow is seeping into your brian! Let me spell it out for you better:

Dropsuit A: Assault GK.0
3 Complex Damage Mods, Duvolle AR (proficiency 5)

Dropsuit B: Logistics GK.0
3 Complex Damage Mods, Duvolle AR ( no proficiency)

EHP aside, who's going to have the higher DPS? The guy with triple damage mods and another 15% bonus damage, or the guy with stacked damage mods without the passive skill that's always on no matter what he puts on his dropsuit?

I see where you're coming from, but I think you're attacking the wrong issue and looking for another way to stick it to logistics along the way.

OMG cosgar we really have communication issues here.
Im not saying Logis are to BLAME,im saying stacking penalties on dam mods are to blame.
The Logi is just the best way to abuse it.

And yes, Proficiency is way powerful,but its also very SP expensive. On the other side, Cx Damage mods are cheap SP wise, ISK wise and make a big difference specially while combined with Proficiency skills...

I come from the fitting school of thought that if you have to put something on a suit, that means you give up the opportunity to fit something else. Damage mods, extenders, plates, equipment... even lolpassive scanning. This is why the logi argument usually falls flat because they have much less base stats compared to their assault counterparts that whatever they equip barely brings them back to par. Sometimes you can surpass it, but you still don't have a clear advantage that base stats give.

But back to the point. Damage mods are available to everyone since they're so low on the series of SP sinks skill tree. Putting levels into the skill only unlocks damage mods and makes them easier to fit. You still have to equip them onto a suit which means they take up something else to go in that high slot. Even though it may be more SP intensive, proficiency in its current state, throws off fitting balance because you're not giving up anything on your suit to have this advantage. In fact, it throws off the skill > SP balance this game is supposed to have. If a player with less SP in a gallente assault with stacked damage mods meets a player with the exact same fit but with more SP into max proficiency, the player with more SP has a clear advantage that he didn't have to give something else up for on his suit.

I don't know how else I can spell this out for you, but you're entitled to your own opinion as much as I am to mine. In fact I'm not here to argue but to give you a different perspective on the big picture. Think about it, remember when we had all those passive skills back in beta? Why do you think they bound the majority of them to their corresponding equipment?

OMG cosgar we really have communication issues here.
Im not saying Logis are to BLAME,im saying stacking penalties on dam mods are to blame.
The Logi is just the best way to abuse it.

And yes, Proficiency is way powerful,but its also very SP expensive. On the other side, Cx Damage mods are cheap SP wise, ISK wise and make a big difference specially while combined with Proficiency skills...

NOW:
Dropsuit A: Assault GK.0
3 Complex Damage Mods, Duvolle AR (proficiency 5)

Dropsuit B: Logistics GK.0
3 Complex Damage Mods, Duvolle AR (proficiency 5)

BOTH WITH THE SAME FIREPOWER, who will have more HP....?
And WHO do you think is the best option....?
Be honest please...

King, a Logi equipped with shield extenders in those slots will kill the logi with complex damage mods in those slots.

"Oh, I can already tank and survive" completely ignores the effects of the extenders.

How the hell are Complex Damage Mods OP when they lose to another option you can put in the same slot?

You say this isn't about logis but EVERY ONE OF YOUR POSTS HAS LOGI IN IT TO TRY TO SELL YOUR ARGUMENT. You've usually brought up valid topics which when I agree with you when I feel you're right and I disagree with when you're wrong. But this... this is getting a bit out of hand. This isn't about damage mods, it's another "I hate logi" topic and damage mods are along for a ride. Logis aren't the only suits that can equip damage mods.

Now we have 2 situations:
Version 1 shooting at version 2 (723 HP divided 42 damage): Takes him 17.21 shots to drop
Version 2 shooting version 1(885HP divided 51.4 damage) : Takes 17.21 shots to drop

Wait....tthey...are the same...?

interesting finding,.....

@ Disturbingly Bored i was not being sarcastic...i was truly surprised by the results.

I guess i have proven myself wrong then . Damage mods are not the reason everybody is abusing logis.

Me myself accept my mistake and will delete thread. Thanks everyone for the arguments.It was,enlightning.

/end thread.

+1 good sir for hashing it all out with logic.

Your average person on this forum would plug his fingers in his ears and go on arguing anyway.

Takes a big man to put up a fight and a bigger man to admit he might be wrong. Relevant discussion that fits into the game's other issues like the abysmally short TTK and weapon imbalance. I think you should have left the OP up though. Some good info to use for other debates.