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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.10.27 01:14:00 -
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This is not a criticism of how excellent these forums are but considering this is all supposed to be one game accessed from 2 separate platforms maybe the forums should be merged so that Eve players who are not involved here could help address issues such as Missions involving Mercs or PC the only interface between the games or Faction Warfare the battle of the ages.
This would allow us to pool our ideas and mix them together rather than segregating us like early american Apartheid-ism or recent African apartheid-ism. We are all clones together lets come together as a group. |
BAMM HAVOC
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
104
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:13:00 -
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actually this is a good idea |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
453
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:32:00 -
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I guess the problem is that Dust mercs are authenticated against the PSN but Eve players are authenticated against the Eve servers.
Also for some reason, you can't be logged into both Eve and Dust forums at once? |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
435
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:28:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:I guess the problem is that Dust mercs are authenticated against the PSN but Eve players are authenticated against the Eve servers.
Also for some reason, you can't be logged into both Eve and Dust forums at once?
That is an interesting problem that I have not noticed before, going to check it out now. As for the authentication, I don't see why it couldn't have more than one authentication system. Yes it would add a layer of complexity to the web authoring needed but the devs in charge of the sites are smart guys and gals and surely if we can cooperate to drop OBs on a PC district they should be able to cooperate to allow us shared communication in a form other than an in game mailing system. Also this begs the question, why don't we have a DUST Gate yet, we could keep in contact with our friends in corp even if we were at work or away for the weekend and possibly even keep up to date on upcoming PC battles so that we would never miss a fight due to a lack of knowledge or forewarning. There have been plenty of times where I have logged in expecting a battle and been told "oh yeah, we had that an hour ago". |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2004
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:35:00 -
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Nah.. (not to the OP, but above.)
It's been suggested many, many times by both the community in public and privately by the CPM.
Apparently it's not so much an issue of authentication but of design and layout. Both Eve and Dust have a /TON/ of subforums. Without detracting from either, it's hard to preserve the easy(ish)-to-read layout and accesibility of information for each game and ensure everyone can quickly read what they want without a ton of scrolling.
There are some other hoops, but that's apparently the big one. |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
435
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:41:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Nah.. (not to the OP, but above.)
It's been suggested many, many times by both the community in public and privately by the CPM.
Apparently it's not so much an issue of authentication but of design and layout. Both Eve and Dust have a /TON/ of subforums. Without detracting from either, it's hard to preserve the easy(ish)-to-read layout and accesibility of information for each game and ensure everyone can quickly read what they want without a ton of scrolling.
There are some other hoops, but that's apparently the big one.
I would suggest having separate dust and eve sections but all on one forum so both the pilots and mercs could speculate together. I admit, the sub-forums would be a big issue if it were not an easy fix already, observe:
Eve Online
Subforums after choosing on an asp styled page
Dust 514
Sub-forums after choosing on an asp styled page
Not doing this seems rather lazy to me, imo. See easy implementation, I read both anyways, why not let me log in and comment from one account? |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
96
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Posted - 2013.10.29 02:42:00 -
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We've discussed this internally and with the CPM numerous times and it's something that merits discussion. Haven't quite figured out the details yet (as Nova alluded to) but it's something we'll keep looking at.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1154
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:28:00 -
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I'd hazard a guess that the best approach might be to have one website with 3 fora: EVE Online, DUST 514, & New Eden.
The New Eden forum would be the hybrid EVE/DUST crossover forum.
It's impossible to know ahead of time how much activity this would get at the beginning, but it's something that would definitely evolve over time as the connections between the games grow in number and importance. And as evidenced on the two separate forums now, universe-building conversations are beloved by both communities.
Given CCP's vision for multiple products providing portals into New Eden, it's prolly time to start focusing player attention on the universe itself, and a voluntary crossover forum seems like the natural place to start. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
250
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:30:00 -
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i dont like it. with the trolling on these forums alone we don't need EVE players adding in a pile of trolling to our mess. I mean can you imagine all the QQ; nerf; buff; doom; boycott Dust; Dust on pc; stop Dust start WIS; PC master race threads that would blow up the forums. Right now our forums are dirty and disgusting but this is where we come to when the game gets boring or ticks us off. The Dust forums are our havan, our home in a sense, and I don't think its a good idea letting the crowd in to crash it.
And plus they hate us. They think were gonna kill EVE or something. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
171
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:41:00 -
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Great idea...probably more technically complex to do than it seems but would go along way to bridging the two games.
This would be a great thing to roll out along with the initial shared economy pieces. |
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3507
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Posted - 2013.10.29 04:21:00 -
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So change up the multi-lingual subforums into a category that can be selected from a drop-down menu or detect language by accessing region, perhaps. That would easily knock out a lot of the clutter.
ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
553
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:51:00 -
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As many of the cpm or devs can attest I am a strong advocate for a merged forums. I understand that it is a challenge, and would make a rather large forum but many of the sections could be combined, the role play, corp and alliance, announcements and lore would not need their own sections, as those would be cros game for the most part anyway. the regional languages could be combined. and while the cpm and the csm might not want to share the same section they can certainly be under the same area. and the areas could be made to colapse so you are not having to scroll to find the area then section you want.
I have long felt that to make the communities strong we need 1 not 2 communites for New Eden. it needs to stop being us against them, and just become us.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
442
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:52:00 -
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I really like the idea of a New Eden Section and then the separate Dust and Eve sections allowing a mix in the center and then also allowing mercs and capsuleers to co-mingle on both sides of that line. I don't think the trolling would be any worse than it is now, we already have the forum warriors duking it out on a regular basis so what would really be the difference? Maybe we see portraits of capsuleers beside some of the posts? Not really that much different than what we have now. |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
442
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:56:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:We've discussed this internally and with the CPM numerous times and it's something that merits discussion. Haven't quite figured out the details yet (as Nova alluded to) but it's something we'll keep looking at.
That sounds like a very non-committal response that I will take to mean yes, thanks and we'll get to it eventually. In the end you only have so much time, but I would suggest that it merits more than discussion, it merits action sir, please take some. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
260
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:35:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:This is not a criticism of how excellent these forums are but considering this is all supposed to be one game accessed from 2 separate platforms maybe the forums should be merged so that Eve players who are not involved here could help address issues such as Missions involving Mercs or PC the only interface between the games or Faction Warfare the battle of the ages.
This would allow us to pool our ideas and mix them together rather than segregating us like early american Apartheid-ism or recent African apartheid-ism. We are all clones together lets come together as a group.
Why you only want EVE and Dust forums combined? Why not include EVE:Valkyrie? :)
Why are you even reading this?
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crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
1942
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Posted - 2013.10.29 07:23:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:We've discussed this internally and with the CPM numerous times and it's something that merits discussion. Haven't quite figured out the details yet (as Nova alluded to) but it's something we'll keep looking at.
Give us the online character creator for the forums!
and/or allow us limited access to the eve forums and likewise. We only need ONE off topic forum for example |
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:37:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:We've discussed this internally and with the CPM numerous times and it's something that merits discussion. Haven't quite figured out the details yet (as Nova alluded to) but it's something we'll keep looking at. That sounds like a very non-committal response that I will take to mean yes, thanks and we'll get to it eventually. In the end you only have so much time, but I would suggest that it merits more than discussion, it merits action sir, please take some.
Apologies for coming across non-committal, but truthfully that's the stage we're at. There's a bunch of kinks we'll have to iron out and while we're discussing it, there are no firm plans just at the moment. That doesn't mean there won't be in the future and we'll update you if there are. :)
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
2008
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:48:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:We've discussed this internally and with the CPM numerous times and it's something that merits discussion. Haven't quite figured out the details yet (as Nova alluded to) but it's something we'll keep looking at. That sounds like a very non-committal response that I will take to mean yes, thanks and we'll get to it eventually. In the end you only have so much time, but I would suggest that it merits more than discussion, it merits action sir, please take some. Apologies for coming across non-committal, but truthfully that's the stage we're at. There's a bunch of kinks we'll have to iron out and while we're discussing it, there are no firm plans just at the moment. That doesn't mean there won't be in the future and we'll update you if there are. :)
Layman Translation : "We at CCP are waiting for the proper lunar alignment for CCP raRaRa to engage in glorious gladitorial combat with CCP Alice under the pale glow of the blood moon, where the victor shall determine the fates of the forums."
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
99
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:49:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:
Layman Translation : "We at CCP are waiting for the proper lunar alignment for CCP raRaRa to engage in glorious gladitorial combat with CCP Alice under the pale glow of the blood moon, where the victor shall determine the fates of the forums."
Nailed it.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
554
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:53:00 -
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100 billion isk on the community winning that fight.
Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today?
I do maths, and sit in a corner.
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
3142
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Posted - 2013.10.29 09:00:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:We've discussed this internally and with the CPM numerous times and it's something that merits discussion. Haven't quite figured out the details yet (as Nova alluded to) but it's something we'll keep looking at. That sounds like a very non-committal response that I will take to mean yes, thanks and we'll get to it eventually. In the end you only have so much time, but I would suggest that it merits more than discussion, it merits action sir, please take some. Apologies for coming across non-committal, but truthfully that's the stage we're at. There's a bunch of kinks we'll have to iron out and while we're discussing it, there are no firm plans just at the moment. That doesn't mean there won't be in the future and we'll update you if there are. :) Layman Translation : "We at CCP are waiting for the proper lunar alignment for CCP raRaRa to engage in glorious gladitorial combat with CCP Alice under the pale glow of the blood moon, where the victor shall determine the fates of the forums."
Close, but not quite. CCP raRaRa and CCP Alice are actually a duo team up against a horde of wicked code monsters, fighting to gain access to the sacred shared forum.
CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
554
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Posted - 2013.10.29 09:03:00 -
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in that case bro 150b isk on the community benefiting from this fight
Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today?
I do maths, and sit in a corner.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
443
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Posted - 2013.10.29 12:40:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:100 billion isk on the community winning that fight.
Dust Isk or Eve Isk? I would make that same wager if there is someone to take it and I thought I would get paid. |
21yrOld Knight
Pradox XVI
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Posted - 2013.11.02 01:30:00 -
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I would love to have this. I don't like not being able to defend dust in the eve forum for dust. Also i think it would cool to talk to eve pilots in the igs.
What kind of perfume does a heavy wear?
Logi Lavender Love
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karaburan Levante
DUST University
Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:00:00 -
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My suggesstion:
CCP forums header with lots of cool pictures and what not. (I'm not the artist in the family, actually I'm the only one in my family who isn't an artist)
- Section of the forums that goes to all players. Announcments and events, Dev announcements and the section praising me.
- List of interest items arrayed much like a directory file structure of interest areas. Each section that can be opted out of will collapse and not be visible. So, players that don't play dust but do play Eve can opt out of the Dust forums and it falls to the bottom of the page as a single item to be opted into or out of.
- List of neccesary but less interesting items
- options for opting into or out of the various sections. this may include arranging topics thematically, by game or chronologically. Here is a hypothetical example let's say it's 2018 and I play Eve, Dust, Valkyrie and WOD. I may primarily be a economics player who does buying, selling and a little manufacturing. So, I would filter by topic and sort by time. (time is money after all). I wouldn't see the recent PVP drama, but could opt into those discussions if they begin to affect market prices. Alternately, a Dust only player may just have everything dust related checked and nothing of other games comes up.
A side bar might give headlines and other interesting tidbits, storyline stuff etc... give some reasons to check out the other games, etc...
Personally, everytime I have to communicate on a forum, I feel a bit like I am on a BBS from the 90s. There has to be a better way of organizing conversations that feels a bit more natural. Some sort of cocktail party like organization where people self organize by interest groups but also get random encounters with people and information. And there should be free alcohol. |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
632
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Posted - 2013.11.07 14:56:00 -
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Similar problem that we have in the E-UNI forums. I'd like the D-UNI members to be able to have a home there but I know the two aren't compatible yet.
If someone could give me an idiot proof explanation as to why, that would be great. On of the IT gurus in E-UNI told me once but it really was like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a duck.
Though oddly enough I can get my head round quantum mechanics.....
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
473
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Posted - 2013.11.07 15:20:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Similar problem that we have in the E-UNI forums. I'd like the D-UNI members to be able to have a home there but I know the two aren't compatible yet.
If someone could give me an idiot proof explanation as to why, that would be great. On of the IT gurus in E-UNI told me once but it really was like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a duck.
Though oddly enough I can get my head round quantum mechanics.....
Well my guess is that there is a login process that includes a PS3 ID or a CCP ID and those systems do not coexist yet in a usable form. If the Dust forums (already they allow Dust users in) had an Eve login page to allow users to login over multiple types of IDs I believe the problem would be resolved, maybe someone over at Sony can help, I know that without CCP's vision there is at least one gamer that wouldn't have bought a PS3. I am sure there is a way, just not what.
Quick suggestion,
IF (Radio Box: Eve Account == True)
then Eve Login Page
Back to forums
ELSE IF (Radio Box: Dust Account == True)
then PS3 Login Page
Back to forums
Else WebPageDialogue:"Please Select Account type";
One Universe...
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:46:00 -
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Bump. Do it!
One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
524
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:07:00 -
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So how goes the battle against the horde of wicked code monsters, fighting to gain access to the sacred shared forum? Could CCP raRaRa and CCP Alice use a hand?
One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!
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CCP raRaRa
C C P
C C P Alliance
327
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:37:00 -
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Technically having a shared forum is possible. Another possibility is having the EVE and DUST forums separated but with shared forum channels.
The biggest challenge would be merging the EVE and DUST forum databases into one. Merging the databases will cause conflict between several database tables of which could take some time to solve properly.
For instance, one potential problem would be the conflict with Message IDs. Note the m=1515684 on the links below, they both point to the same Message ID but it's a different message depending on if you're on the EVE or DUST forum.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1515684
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1515684
Now let's assume I would merge the DUST forum database to the EVE forum database. That would mean that all external links to messages on the EVE forums would still work, but external links to the DUST forums would break, since they'd now point to some Message ID that already existed on the EVE forums.
I have some ideas to solve the ID conflict, but like I said it could take some time. The possibility is definitely there, but I haven't been given the green light to work on this. I'll check the status with CCP Alice soon.
CCP raRaRa // @CCP_raRaRa
Web Developer for DUST 514
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
524
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:52:00 -
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As long as there's a way to craft an RSS feed for dust devposts only, I'm okay with anything :)
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
524
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Posted - 2013.11.21 01:08:00 -
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When creating arrays of data it is often easier to merge two or more arrays by making an array of arrays. So if you have:
ArrayX([ ][ ]) which is 2 dimensional and want to compare it to ArrayY[ ][ ] you can make ArrayZ([ ArrayX ] [ ArrayY ]). What this does is produces references within the ArrayZ( [ ] [ ]) so that it can be found and referenced from the new array. So in this case perhaps a new D-base that references both sides locally to the individual originally separate forum posts rather than the wrong one.
To access all the posts you would require the ID of the data set. So for accessing ArrayX([2][6]) you would use ArrayZ(0(2,6)).
Hope this helps,
DC
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1193
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:00:00 -
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This would also be a massive benefit for, say, EVE players trying to sell Templar gear to DUSTers, or DUST players trying to buy it from EVE players.
A lot of hijinks ensued trying to line those deals up.
Please do it, CCP. I would love to see the rage from a Ground Pounder posting in the Ships and Modules forum, as well.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:58:00 -
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CCP raRaRa wrote:Technically having a shared forum is possible. Another possibility is having the EVE and DUST forums separated but with shared forum channels. The biggest challenge would be merging the EVE and DUST forum databases into one. Merging the databases will cause conflict between several database tables of which could take some time to solve properly. For instance, one potential problem would be the conflict with Message IDs. Note the m=1515684 on the links below, they both point to the same Message ID but it's a different message depending on if you're on the EVE or DUST forum. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1515684https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1515684Now let's assume I would merge the DUST forum database to the EVE forum database. That would mean that all external links to messages on the EVE forums would still work, but external links to the DUST forums would break, since they'd now point to some Message ID that already existed on the EVE forums. I have some ideas to solve the ID conflict, but like I said it could take some time. The possibility is definitely there, but I haven't been given the green light to work on this. I'll check the status with CCP Alice soon.
I say that we start small and work our way outward. Maybe integrating the less used channels such as the Intergalactic Summit as there is less activity. This could have a very meaningful impact as well as both of the role-playing channels would be combined and further not only the integration of the two but the immersion as topics are viewed by both Dust mercenaries and Capsuleers.
Is there anyway for message IDs to be categorized into a sub-category? A 'legacy' message ID, so to speak, that would link to the proper post before the integration based on the sub-category?
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BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
271
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:06:00 -
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I really like this idea. I hope some consideration could be made to binding Dust characters to EVE characters or at least allowing an EVE char to be flagged as playing Dust as well (and vice versa), otherwise certain posts will be written off by one community as "having no idea what he's talking about" simply because he's an EVE or Dust player.
General Tso's Alliance: If we could earn bombardments from the EVE-side, we'd show the gaming world Dust's potential.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
526
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:06:00 -
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BursegSardaukar wrote:I really like this idea. I hope some consideration could be made to binding Dust characters to EVE characters or at least allowing an EVE char to be flagged as playing Dust as well (and vice versa), otherwise certain posts will be written off by one community as "having no idea what he's talking about" simply because he's an EVE or Dust player.
I don't think it would be wise to flag a player as playing Eve as well as Dust. Currently Alts are unknown without actually doing homework and checking. Anonymity of who or that their is an alt can be a big advantage in some situations and because of this it seems like a bad idea to indicate their is an alt. I know I have mentioned several times on these forums that I play both games but there is a calculated risk of being listened to by people who would otherwise tell you that they don't think your idea has any merit because it is not like the other game though clearly (if they played it, it is) for instance in this thread (post #7).
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