Well today i made an alt up to run with some friends who have both just started and are coming back after not playing since chromo and all i can say is the new player matchmaking is awful. out of the 4 guys i spent an hour convincing to start playing only one is coming back tomorrow evening to try M/KB as he didn't realize you could use it.

The things that came up were just the completely un-balanced matchmaking.
We went in and started the academy battle, we had a good match both sides equally matched everyone had an average KDR i went 12/5 other went things like 7/9 5/4 11/7 ect all very similar and the top 8 on each side had over 1000 wp

then we started a new match.... well an entire squad of full proto guys, other squads of mixed proto and adv and 3 tanks. going up a team of full starter corps who most of us had min 500k sp and probs max 2mill sp. we got f***in thrashed worse than a gimps backside.
Wouldn't have been too bad but all night we've come up against the same issue. the starting SP is so low you can barely get anything worthwhile. the assault rifle with none - lv1 skill is so pathetic the mercs may as wel just pick the stones up off the floor and throw at the proto guys cos they'd be more accurate and do more damage.

sometimes we've found the odd match that we've done reasonable at but the rest of the time has just been constant MD spam, forge spam and sniper spam. after an hour one guy got fed up and left saying he'll stick to BF3 and 4 shortly after another left saying he was just fed up of not being able to move more than 10m without dying after 3hours i was by myself with a couple of messages on my psn telling me they're deleted the client and are gonna give the game a miss as they didn't enjoy one bit of it as they were just constantly spammed over and over again.

problem is this isn't the first time i've had this from my friends. i've got 9 recruits and the only 1 still playing is me on an alt i made.

My ideas to make it a more welcoming and gentle introduction.

Matchmaking needs to be more balanced, the academy is a great idea but you're removed from the gentle approach far too quickly. players need to be matched by individual skill points or maybe a squad average so everyone is running the same skill leveled setups.

Starting SP.
Far, far, far too low. the original setups of giving you a fixed set of starter skills and skill books depending on the role you want would be a lot better. starting with approx 1mill sp with fixed starter skills gives them a little more chance of survival.
Also, new recruits should receive 2x SP gain for the first 30days (allow boosters to increase that further) this will allow them to feel good about getting skills trained and that little buzz you get with a new weapon or suit that finally unlocks to try give a positive first month experience.

After just them 3 hours my friends morale for the game was just crushed and there was no excitement just misery and frustration and its not just them, 80% of the 385 members of my corp all feel the same way. most of us feel its a chore to play the game and we're just here to grind out to skill gap and only relief is when we do. the only reason we keep coming back is because of the time we've invested and the constant telling ourselves its got to get better soon.
there was a reason we had the AFKMCC issue. People are simply just rubber banding the analogues and doing it that way instead of wanting to actually play teh game. its time CCP woke up and realized that for the most part the game isn't much fun anymore we need something other than the constant proto stomping in pub matches we need the infestation mode, somewhere to go with a small group of mates to go against some AI to blow off steam when you've had your 6th match in a row of being forged, MD'd and sniped all round from the red line or trundled around a near empty map and come out with 200wp each.

Personally as much as i have a love/hate relationship with the game i just pray that it will be around long enough to fulfill its potential but with the constant bad decision CCP seem to be making to p**s off the player base and the ridiculous idea to not even release a compatible client for ps4 i just cant see DUST surviving another 12months. with average 4000 people online at once, falling to about 2500-3500 once folk have capped out and other big name shooters coming out i just see the player base coming online to cap out and then going off to play bf4 and cod leaving dead maps the other 4days of the week

Starting SP could help a wee bit but overall there is nothing you can do to replace actual experience, those who been playing since close beta will always have a leg up over the noobs even if you give him a newbie account he is totally going to destroy academy.

Better matchmaking would work but that requires a larger pool of players to draw from to get semi-decent skill slotting.

Another solution we can look at is pre-implanting new characters with the omega boosters 30days as a good head start.

Restrict the gear that can be used by sec status. Fixed

Starting SP could help a wee bit but overall there is nothing you can do to replace actual experience, those who been playing since close beta will always have a leg up over the noobs even if you give him a newbie account he is totally going to destroy academy.

Better matchmaking would work but that requires a larger pool of players to draw from to get semi-decent skill slotting.

Another solution we can look at is pre-implanting new characters with the omega boosters 30days as a good head start.

Better matchmaking would work but that requires a larger pool of players to draw from to get semi-decent skill slotting.

The things that came up were just the completely un-balanced matchmaking.
We went in and started the academy battle, we had a good match both sides equally matched everyone had an average KDR i went 12/5 other went things like 7/9 5/4 11/7 ect all very similar and the top 8 on each side had over 1000 wp

no. it doesnt.

An example up until recently (when more and more A$$hat corps started abusing it) was the Oceania server.

It used to have SMALL group play: 2x2, 4x5, 6x6 matches, of relatively inexperienced players.

And that is GREAT for people new to the game.
All these 12x12 or 16x16 matches are a slaughterfest, if any significant number of people on one side, have more experience than the other.
Just FOUR out of 12 people, can completely dominate a match full of newbs.

So, in summary;

Quit putting proto people with newbs, in pub matches.
The newbs will be happier and stick around longer.
The proto people will hopefuly get bored and go play FW or PC, where they belong.

no. it doesnt.

An example up until recently (when more and more A$$hat corps started abusing it) was the Oceania server.

It used to have SMALL group play: 2x2, 4x5, 6x6 matches, of relatively inexperienced players.

And that is GREAT for people new to the game.
All these 12x12 or 16x16 matches are a slaughterfest, if any significant number of people on one side, have more experience than the other.
Just FOUR out of 12 people, can completely dominate a match full of newbs.

So, in summary;

Quit putting proto people with newbs, in pub matches.
The newbs will be happier and stick around longer.
The proto people will hopefuly get bored and go play FW or PC, where they belong.

Or tell your guys to check it out after a couple of month's time. It's always nice to return to a good passive SP gain

-Extensive training system, filled with more objectives that teach players the ins and outs of Dust
-No SP cap until 3,000,000 SP (automatic graduation after reaching 3 million SP)
-100,000 WP requirement to graduate from the academy with the option to participate in pubs to gauge skill.
-Militia variant of every weapon, including more diverse starter fits than just medium suits
-Anything above standard gear banned from the academy
-Free respec upon graduation

Well today i made an alt up to run with some friends who have both just started and are coming back after not playing since chromo and all i can say is the new player matchmaking is awful. out of the 4 guys i spent an hour convincing to start playing only one is coming back tomorrow evening to try M/KB as he didn't realize you could use it.

The things that came up were just the completely un-balanced matchmaking.
We went in and started the academy battle, we had a good match both sides equally matched everyone had an average KDR i went 12/5 other went things like 7/9 5/4 11/7 ect all very similar and the top 8 on each side had over 1000 wp

then we started a new match.... well an entire squad of full proto guys, other squads of mixed proto and adv and 3 tanks. going up a team of full starter corps who most of us had min 500k sp and probs max 2mill sp. we got f***in thrashed worse than a gimps backside.
Wouldn't have been too bad but all night we've come up against the same issue. the starting SP is so low you can barely get anything worthwhile. the assault rifle with none - lv1 skill is so pathetic the mercs may as wel just pick the stones up off the floor and throw at the proto guys cos they'd be more accurate and do more damage.

sometimes we've found the odd match that we've done reasonable at but the rest of the time has just been constant MD spam, forge spam and sniper spam. after an hour one guy got fed up and left saying he'll stick to BF3 and 4 shortly after another left saying he was just fed up of not being able to move more than 10m without dying after 3hours i was by myself with a couple of messages on my psn telling me they're deleted the client and are gonna give the game a miss as they didn't enjoy one bit of it as they were just constantly spammed over and over again.

problem is this isn't the first time i've had this from my friends. i've got 9 recruits and the only 1 still playing is me on an alt i made.

My ideas to make it a more welcoming and gentle introduction.

Matchmaking needs to be more balanced, the academy is a great idea but you're removed from the gentle approach far too quickly. players need to be matched by individual skill points or maybe a squad average so everyone is running the same skill leveled setups.

Starting SP.
Far, far, far too low. the original setups of giving you a fixed set of starter skills and skill books depending on the role you want would be a lot better. starting with approx 1mill sp with fixed starter skills gives them a little more chance of survival.
Also, new recruits should receive 2x SP gain for the first 30days (allow boosters to increase that further) this will allow them to feel good about getting skills trained and that little buzz you get with a new weapon or suit that finally unlocks to try give a positive first month experience.

After just them 3 hours my friends morale for the game was just crushed and there was no excitement just misery and frustration and its not just them, 80% of the 385 members of my corp all feel the same way. most of us feel its a chore to play the game and we're just here to grind out to skill gap and only relief is when we do. the only reason we keep coming back is because of the time we've invested and the constant telling ourselves its got to get better soon.
there was a reason we had the AFKMCC issue. People are simply just rubber banding the analogues and doing it that way instead of wanting to actually play teh game. its time CCP woke up and realized that for the most part the game isn't much fun anymore we need something other than the constant proto stomping in pub matches we need the infestation mode, somewhere to go with a small group of mates to go against some AI to blow off steam when you've had your 6th match in a row of being forged, MD'd and sniped all round from the red line or trundled around a near empty map and come out with 200wp each.

Personally as much as i have a love/hate relationship with the game i just pray that it will be around long enough to fulfill its potential but with the constant bad decision CCP seem to be making to p**s off the player base and the ridiculous idea to not even release a compatible client for ps4 i just cant see DUST surviving another 12months. with average 4000 people online at once, falling to about 2500-3500 once folk have capped out and other big name shooters coming out i just see the player base coming online to cap out and then going off to play bf4 and cod leaving dead maps the other 4days of the week

What if there were a separate section for beginners, or anyone looking to help/recruit beginners, where the only gear players were able to use is militia gear? It would give them the chance to earn some isk/experience and learn the game without the worry of being so totally outgunned.

Myself, just coming out of newberry syndrome (1mil+ SP)
I agree with all above.
It's been a grueling 2 plus weeks of meat grinding my dropsuit up,
and hitting my goals, and trying not getting my ass handed to me
every time I hit the pavement.
If you have the skills, background, patience, etc.
EVENTUALLY, I, we, can get there.
But no real intensive to hang in there except for ones self commitment to the game, prize.

Myself, just coming out of newberry syndrome (1mil+ SP)
I agree with all above.
It's been a grueling 2 plus weeks of meat grinding my dropsuit up,
and hitting my goals, and trying not getting my ass handed to me
every time I hit the pavement.
If you have the skills, background, patience, etc.
EVENTUALLY, I, we, can get there.
But no real intensive to hang in there except for ones self commitment to the game, prize.

Match making fix:

You can not be matched with someone unless they are within 1 million sp up or down, if a match can not be found, 3 million sp.

Still no match? 5 million and so on and so forth.

Also, I'm talking about who they match you against, not who's on your team.

What about the guys who skilled very generally, like me.

You can make a pubstomping suit with 5 million.

1 mil for suit, 1 for rifle, 2 for buffer mods, 1 for repper mods.

I have 8 million, but I only have 2 skills to 5

Does that mean I'm just stick to get grinded into paste by those who didn't explore?

Or tell your guys to check it out after a couple of month's time. It's always nice to return to a good passive SP gain

I almost think it could go so far as new players shouldn't be able to allocate SP until they've joined a corp.

Pushing new players toward a corp should be the top priority for NPE. Being in a squad of 10 mil + SP players helps a low SP player.

Any player in an NPC corp should have to exit a corp recruitment screen every time they log in.

the problem with that is they may feel pressured and join the wrong corp. For example they could wind up in PRO with that moron contrabanjoe

Starting SP could help a wee bit but overall there is nothing you can do to replace actual experience, those who been playing since close beta will always have a leg up over the noobs even if you give him a newbie account he is totally going to destroy academy.

Better matchmaking would work but that requires a larger pool of players to draw from to get semi-decent skill slotting.

Another solution we can look at is pre-implanting new characters with the omega boosters 30days as a good head start.

He's not running things over there anymore. But I hear you.

That's why it should be a corp recruitment screen. With some info on the corps, not just a pitch from the corp.

This way the recruit could see member numbers, position on the leaderboards and such.

the problem with that is they may feel pressured and join the wrong corp. For example they could wind up in PRO with that moron contrabanjoe

Or worse they could join us and end up with our bunch of nutters too

did toilet ever join you guys or is he sticking it out on pro. I have not logged onto my psn account in awhile that is friends with him so i have not talked to him in awhile.

please don't