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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:46:00 -
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I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:03:00 -
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WOW ,nobody knows? |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1941
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:04:00 -
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HMM, I GUESS NOT |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
242
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:06:00 -
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to be honest, i dont use profile damps, but when i get my respec in 1.7, i definitely will.
i know for a fact that scout V and one complex dampener will get you under any scanner except for the 15 dB one.
tried to help as much as i could, but i'm a minnie scout slowly moving into gallente scout. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6438
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:07:00 -
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Everything percentage based has a stacking penalty. It's kind of up in the air whether it's per attribute or per module though. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
425
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:07:00 -
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I'm almost certain no, but I can't necessarily prove it... |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3235
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:09:00 -
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Yes, there is a stacking penalty. The description doesn't mention it, but it exists. Do keep in mind though that the stacking penalty only applies to the modules. So don't apply any penalty to bonus from the scout suit, the bonus from the actual dampening skill, or the first module. Penalties start with the second modules. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2067
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:11:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Yes, there is a stacking penalty. The description doesn't mention it, but it exists. Do keep in mind though that the stacking penalty only applies to the modules. So don't apply any penalty to bonus from the scout suit, the bonus from the actual dampening skill, or the first module. Penalties start with the second modules.
1-So overall, Profile dampeners are STill crap.
2-Guessit was not THAT much of a noobish question
3-CCP , you LIED to me again.You did't tell me they had stacking penalties and sold them to me like a fresh sandwich from Subways when it was a week old mcdonalds burger.
I WANT A SKILL RESPEC |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
645
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:15:00 -
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Something that is pretty nice it. Profile damps lvl 5 = standard active scanner can not find your logi or assault suit, no modules needed. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2067
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:17:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Something that is pretty nice it. Profile damps lvl 5 = standard active scanner can not find your logi or assault suit, no modules needed.
Nobody uses those crappy Active scanners unless they are INSANE.
Only ADV QUANTUM or higher.
so still pretty useless bro. |
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Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:21:00 -
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oh hi your the noob I've seen around the forum a lot latly please stop all the hissy fits it's getting annoying. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2069
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:23:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:oh hi your the noob I've seen around the forum a lot latly please stop all the hissy fits it's getting annoying.
Oh hi, who are you and why should i care.
BTW BHD was better in MAG than what it is now,i know its not saying much but well... |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
123
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:30:00 -
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me I'm nobody just a lurker who is tired of seeing you complain and try and wreak the game have a nice day :D thanks for insulting my corp I didn't know them back in mag but I'll be sure to tell them that they suck now and that they were never any good thank you very much for pointing it out to me. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2072
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:32:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:me I'm nobody just a lurker who is tired of seeing you complain and try and wreak the game have a nice day :D thanks for insulting my corp I didn't know them back in mag but I'll be sure to tell them that they suck now and that they were never any good thank you very much for pointing it out to me.
you are welcome, i know you need help. Have a nice day.
BTW , you cant do anything about me complaining so suck it up. |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
123
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:37:00 -
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of course I can do something I can ask you to stop. that doesn't mean you will stop but I've still done something about it.
by the way the whole bolding of sentences is getting old too. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2072
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:41:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:of course I can do something I can ask you to stop. that doesn't mean you will stop but I've still done something about it.
by the way the whole bolding of sentences is getting old too.
Your opinion is meaningless to me, and if you think that i will take orders from a stranger over the internet you are dummer than i thought... |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
352
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:43:00 -
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I can't be bothered to do the math exactly but I believe what you want is a minimum of dp skill to level 3 + 1 enhanced and 1 basic dampener.
Or get it to level 5 and use a complex |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
123
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:44:00 -
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orders who is giving orders? I'm asking not telling telling would be foolish as there would be no way for me to enforce it. asking on the other hand is compleatly different and entirely feasible that someone would listen to a request from a stranger over the internet. please get your words right. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2072
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:46:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:orders who is giving orders? I'm asking not telling telling would be foolish as there would be no way for me to enforce it. asking on the other hand is compleatly different and entirely feasible that someone would listen to a request from a stranger over the internet. please get your words right.
Sorry i forgot people think everybody needs to be 100% accurate English speaker, even if its not their native language. Please, forgive my lack of precision while writing, but you still get what im saying neverthe less. So please stop Trying to troll me, you will fail. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2379
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:47:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY
No they don't |
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2073
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:49:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY No they don't
Im sorry Sarge, i want to believe you; but there are several opinions here.
Can you please confirm this? if you please? |
Thor Thunder Fist
Better Hide R Die
123
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:50:00 -
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trolling you oh you think your important enough for me to troll, cute, I ask only for you to stop trying to speak your idiotic ideals as there are some easily influenced people out there who might actually listen to you. have a good night. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2073
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:53:00 -
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Thor Thunder Fist wrote:trolling you oh you think your important enough for me to troll, cute, I ask only for you to stop trying to speak your idiotic ideals as there are some easily influenced people out there who might actually listen to you. have a good night.
Have a good nite.Trollytroll :3
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2380
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Posted - 2013.10.25 05:00:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY No they don't Im sorry Sarge, i want to believe you; but there are several opinions here.
Can you please confirm this? if you please?
I have a forum section on Synergy or Eon Enjin site somewhere clearing up misconceptions in DUST.
I've asked them several SIGINT related questions and I'm most certainly sure profile dampening does not have a stacking penalty.
I posted Unicorn's reply somewhere in the forums as well but dear god that was 4 months ago, good luck.
I can tell you with 100% certainty KingCheckmate is that if you have your Profile dampening at level 5 you can block basic level handhelds scanners without a module.
(which is actually quite nice)
(You can also block all active scanners except for the 16 dB one with prof. at lvl 5 and one STD AND COM P.D. or two enhanced P.D. )
P.S. Quick helpful piece of info.
The Nanocircuitry skill gives a 5% reduction in Nanocircuitry related skills per level. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
750
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Posted - 2013.10.25 05:49:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY
there were stacking penalties in previous builds. i'd be pretty shocked if there weren't. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
561
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Posted - 2013.10.25 05:51:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Something that is pretty nice it. Profile damps lvl 5 = standard active scanner can not find your logi or assault suit, no modules needed. Nobody uses those crappy Active scanners unless they are INSANE. Only ADV QUANTUM or higher.so still pretty useless bro.
 I use ADV Stable. Did I do bad? |
Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.10.25 06:08:00 -
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Sorry but how usefull are dampeners when you still spawn next to your team on ambush which are getting picked up by scanners anyway and the whole enemy team is heading your way regardless what you do. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
257
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Posted - 2013.10.25 06:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY My understanding, though I might be wrong...
Dampening level 5 + 2x Standard dampeners, on an Assault suit:
Suit Profile: 50dB
Skill bonus: - 5x2% = -10% = 5dB
Profile after skill: 50dB - 5dB = 45dB
1st Standard dampener = -15% = 15% of 45dB = 6,75dB
Profile after 1st dampener: 45dB - 6,75dB = 38,25dB
2nd Standard dampener = -15% = 15% of 38,25dB = 5,7375dB
Profile after 1nd dampener: 38,25dB - 5,7375dB = 33,0125
Again, this is my understanding, and may be flawed.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
819
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:11:00 -
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According to the game and the wiki, dampeners do not have any stacking penalty, like range amplifiers and code breakers. |
Kaze Eyrou
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
386
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:47:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:According to the game and the wiki, dampeners do not have any stacking penalty, like range amplifiers and code breakers.
That's what I thought too... but sadly, the game code is the ultimate tell all and I have almost no doubt that they have stacking penalties.
I'm probably going to start organizing something in the near future for doing tests like these... |
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
270
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:51:00 -
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Profile Dampeners carry stacking penalties.
With level 5 in the skill, a medium frame needs one complex to avoid ADV scans and two complex two avoid 28dB Proto scans.
They are worth it in my opinion. Others may disagree and they may not suit your play style (best for flanking, hit and run, etc). |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4728
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:13:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Yes, there is a stacking penalty. The description doesn't mention it, but it exists. Do keep in mind though that the stacking penalty only applies to the modules. So don't apply any penalty to bonus from the scout suit, the bonus from the actual dampening skill, or the first module. Penalties start with the second modules. 1- So overall, Profile dampeners are STill crap.2-Guessit was not THAT much of a noobish question 3-CCP , you LIED to me again.You did't tell me they had stacking penalties and sold them to me like a fresh sandwich from Subways when it was a week old mcdonalds burger. I WANT A SKILL RESPEC
/Facepalm
I'll try to be nice here.
1. No they're not. Profile Dampeners are extremely effective against active scanners especially when fitted on a prototype Gallente Scout that has 4 low slots. This means it will take a prototype active scanner to spot you and even then you might still have a chance to compete against it if you max out all the necessary skills.
2. Actually it was a noobish question. It's just that it was a valid one.
3. CCP didn't lie about them. Not every low-slot module has a stacking penalty. If they don't have the description saying that they have one, then there is no stacking penalty. Range Amplifiers for example don't have stacking penalties and they don't have the penalty description. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:31:00 -
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Maken Tosch and Sgt kirk say they dont have stacking penalties.Which i have tested and confirmed.
It seems that they dont suffer from stacking penalties and the passive bonus is fully added too...
Im using a basic pro.dampener and an enhanced Pro.dampener on a logi.I have passive dampening lv 3.
Thats 15+20+6 = 41
Logi scan profile = 50
50 / 1.41 = 35 scan profile.
I am effectivley avoiding ADV scanners in FW.
And im sure they are adv because they are being carried by proto suits and by players with full squads from corps, and any smart man knows STD Scanners are worthless. XD
@ Fizzler: The difference between the ''stable'' and the Quantum, CPU/PG wise is minimal.But
the scan duration of 5 to 15+ is not.... |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1006
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:33:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I started speccing into Profile dampeners, since im so fed up with Active scanners leading to gang r4pes ....
So i have something that might be considered noobish:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
I noticed the Description does NOT say anything about this and i wanted to know if CCP just trolled me AGAIN with the descriptions, or Profile dampeners are atually decent and not trash.
TY
Please don't |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
260
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Maken Tosch and Sgt kirk say they dont have stacking penalties.Which i have tested and confirmed.
For good measure, could you provide your test setup and protocol, in case others want to replicate the tests?
Don't forget to include which build, skill-levels etc were in play.
(not trolling - I fully appreciate the effort of having something tested, but at least give us a chance to peer-review and replicate for confirmation) |
dogman dave
DUST University
Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:41:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Maken Tosch and Sgt kirk say they dont have stacking penalties.Which i have tested and confirmed.
It seems that they dont suffer from stacking penalties and the passive bonus is fully added too...
Im using a basic pro.dampener and an enhanced Pro.dampener on a logi.I have passive dampening lv 3.
Thats 15+20+6 = 41
Logi scan profile = 50
50 / 1.41 = 35 scan profile.
I am effectivley avoiding ADV scanners in FW.
And im sure they are adv because they are being carried by proto suits and by players with full squads from corps, and any smart man knows STD Scanners are worthless. XD
@ Fizzler: The difference between the ''stable'' and the Quantum, CPU/PG wise is minimal.But
the scan duration of 5 to 15+ is not....
OK, I was hoping someone else would do this because I tend to be a bit heavy, so the math, according to Game Mechanics Wiki entry...
50 - (50*0.06) - (50*0.15) - (50*0.20)
50 - 3 - 7.5 - 10
29.5
So your fit's Scan Profile is 29.5
I know, the math says it is possible to get some suits to 0% Scan Profile...but if the game mech wiki is wrong, if the description is wrong, if the testing is wrong... then I'm wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
367
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:47:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Maken Tosch and Sgt kirk say they dont have stacking penalties.Which i have tested and confirmed.
It seems that they dont suffer from stacking penalties and the passive bonus is fully added too...
Im using a basic pro.dampener and an enhanced Pro.dampener on a logi.I have passive dampening lv 3.
Thats 15+20+6 = 41
Logi scan profile = 50
50 / 1.41 = 35 scan profile.
I am effectivley avoiding ADV scanners in FW.
And im sure they are adv because they are being carried by proto suits and by players with full squads from corps, and any smart man knows STD Scanners are worthless. XD
@ Fizzler: The difference between the ''stable'' and the Quantum, CPU/PG wise is minimal.But
the scan duration of 5 to 15+ is not....
Actually its
50 x 0.94 = 47 (level 3 dp for 6%)
47 x 0.8 = 37.6 (Adv damp at 20%)
37.6 x 0.85 = 31.92 (for the basic at 15%)
But I digress, it still works.
I run extensive scout suits with dp at different levels so I'm fairly confident with the method
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
1682
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Posted - 2013.10.30 18:47:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote: CCP didn't lie about them. Not every low-slot module has a stacking penalty. If they don't have the description saying that they have one, then there is no stacking penalty. Range Amplifiers for example don't have stacking penalties and they don't have the penalty description.
I saw this earlier and took note because I couldn't post from work...
There ARE stacking penalties on Range Amplifiers, despite them not being mentioned in the description. I and several other scouts have tested this with fully skilled gallente proto scouts and level 5 long range scanning with 4 complex range amplifiers - without stacking penalties you should be able to see people passively 100m away but it's much much less; around 67m, which is what the numbers come to with stacking penalties.
I would not be at all surprised if this is also the case for dampeners but the best way for you to check for yourself (since you have level 3 dampening) is to don any light suit (not scout) and put on 2 enhanced dampeners. Without stacking penalties you can avoid proto scanners but with penalties you can't.
I'm just running some numbers for more interesting analyses and will get back to you guys again shortly.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
315
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:01:00 -
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They don't.
Assassination is my thing.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
1682
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:09:00 -
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Okiedoke, as promised, I'm back to report on my findings. I can see only a handful of cases (I didn't bother with heavies because 65db, come on) where stacking penalties might actually have any effect on whether you are able to avoid a certain scanner and these are as follows:
Medium suit, level 1 damp, 2 x std dampeners - with penalties can not avoid advanced scanners, without can
Light suit (not scout), level 3 damp, 2 x adv dampeners - with penalties can not avoid proto scanners, without can
Light suit, lvl 5 damp, 1 adv + 1 std dampeners - with penalties can not avoid proto scanners, without can
Scout lvl 1, lvl 3 damp, 1 adv + 1 std dampeners - with penalties can not avoid proto scanners, without can
Scout lvl 1, lvl 5 damp, 2 x std dampeners - with penalties can not avoid proto scanners, without can
Now I suspect that similarly to range amps, stacking penalties do apply to dampeners but really with so few cases where it actually has any impact, the whole question is a bit of a moot point really.
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
303
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:12:00 -
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Wow, you guys just don't stop with proliferating wrong information.
How many of you sent a TICKET to CCP and asked if stacking penalties applied to profile dampeners? I did, and they said they DID apply.
How many of you have profile dampening to Level 5 and have discovered that you CAN'T avoid 28 dB scans by using one Complex Dampener and one Enhanced Dampener on a medium suit? I have. I MUST use 2 complex to avoid proto scanners.
By your logic:
50dB * .90 (skill at level 5) = 45 dB
45 dB * .75 (complex) = 33.75 dB
33.75 dB * .80 (enhanced) = 27 dB (should avoid proto scans, but it doesn't)
This is what really happens:
50 dB * .90 (skill at level 5) = 45 dB
45 dB * .6262 (complex and enhanced using stacking penalty calculator) = 28.18 dB (doesn't avoid proto scans)
With two complex dampeners:
50dB * .90 (skill at level 5) = 45 dB
45 dB * .587 (two complex using stacking penalty calculator) = 26.42 dB (avoids proto scans)
And oh, KING CHECKMATE, FYR you only need two militia or basic profile dampeners to avoid advanced scans if you have level 3 in the skill (your profile is 34.74 dB). There is no added benefit in using higher than basic/militia in two slots at your skill level, since you can't go under proto scans unless you use three slots for three enhanced or get your dampening to proto. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1856
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:30:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
''Do profile dampeners HAVE stacking penalties?''
The Consensus is yes, in that penalty applies.
To the best of my knowledge, neither CCP nor CPM has verified (in the Forums, at least). |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2148
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:14:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Wow, you guys just don't stop with proliferating wrong information.
How many of you sent a TICKET to CCP and asked if stacking penalties applied to profile dampeners? I did, and they said they DID apply.
How many of you have profile dampening to Level 5 and have discovered that you CAN'T avoid 28 dB scans by using one Complex Dampener and one Enhanced Dampener on a medium suit? I have. I MUST use 2 complex to avoid proto scanners.
By your logic:
50dB * .90 (skill at level 5) = 45 dB
45 dB * .75 (complex) = 33.75 dB
33.75 dB * .80 (enhanced) = 27 dB (should avoid proto scans, but it doesn't)
This is what really happens:
50 dB * .90 (skill at level 5) = 45 dB
45 dB * .6262 (complex and enhanced using stacking penalty calculator) = 28.18 dB (doesn't avoid proto scans)
With two complex dampeners:
50dB * .90 (skill at level 5) = 45 dB
45 dB * .587 (two complex using stacking penalty calculator) = 26.42 dB (avoids proto scans)
And oh, KING CHECKMATE, FYR you only need two militia or basic profile dampeners to avoid advanced scans if you have level 3 in the skill (your profile is 34.74 dB). There is no added benefit in using higher than basic/militia in two slots at your skill level, since you can't go under proto scans unless you use three slots for three enhanced or get your dampening to proto.
Ok again, thanks everyone that helped answer this, the math is still somewhat blurry in my eyes since you have all given me so many formulas. But now i know Stacking penalties do apply and that is not as useless as i thought,but playing tank + active scanner is still better/cheaper sp wise IMO....TY everybody.
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