As we've heard, the blueprints used in Dust are adversely affecting the economy, and CCP has to do something about it.


IMO, the blueprint situation in Dust has striking parallels to the tech 2 blueprint crisis that happened in Eve, back in 2006 or whenever.

The situation was slightly different: in Eve, a few lucky people had blueprints and were the supply bottleneck and made lots of money from everyone else.

In Dust, people spent RL money and the blueprints are now crippling demand. Either way, it's not good for the economy.

The solution for Dust blueprints might be very similar to what happened in Eve.

The solution was to make blueprints unable to keep up with demand.

In Eve, the introduction of invention increased supply by a hundredfold, so what would take a T2 blueprint owner a month to produce, could be done in two days by a dedicated inventor. Sure, the inventor couldn't make those items as cheaply, but he could move a lot more items per month.

In Dust, this would be accomplished by taking blueprints out of the fitting screen, and into the realm of manufacturing the objects instead.

So, say you had an 'Exile' assault rifle blueprint.

Before the change, you put the blueprint in your light weapon slot and never have to worry about it again. Free assault rifles!

After the change, your blueprint spawns, say, 25 'Exile' Assault Rifles each downtime. In the fitting screen, you select the assault rifles themselves, instead of the blueprint, and when you run out, you'll have to switch to a different weapon.

So if you don't use a blueprint regularly, you'll stockpile them, 25 each day, and if you do use it regularly, after a while you'll find you'll need to re-engage with the Dust economy again. Also, because they're actual items instead of blueprints, those items will be available to be salvaged instead of just disappearing.

Personally, I peg each blueprint at 25/day for dropsuits, weapons, modules and equipment, and 3/day for vehicles and vehicle modules, but that's just a wild-ass guess.

If this change were implemented, I think those of us who have blueprints won't be completely outraged, and in fact might be happy that they're deriving value from blueprints they're not even using right now, since they'll continue to stockpile.

The upside to this is also that there will be greater numbers of them on the market keeping value low.

Or alternatively if they bring manufacturing into dust side then the could produce a fixed number of the item. For use or resale.

As we've heard, the blueprints used in Dust are adversely affecting the economy, and CCP has to do something about it.


IMO, the blueprint situation in Dust has striking parallels to the tech 2 blueprint crisis that happened in Eve, back in 2006 or whenever.

The situation was slightly different: in Eve, a few lucky people had blueprints and were the supply bottleneck and made lots of money from everyone else.

In Dust, people spent RL money and the blueprints are now crippling demand. Either way, it's not good for the economy.

The solution for Dust blueprints might be very similar to what happened in Eve.

The solution was to make blueprints unable to keep up with demand.

In Eve, the introduction of invention increased supply by a hundredfold, so what would take a T2 blueprint owner a month to produce, could be done in two days by a dedicated inventor. Sure, the inventor couldn't make those items as cheaply, but he could move a lot more items per month.

In Dust, this would be accomplished by taking blueprints out of the fitting screen, and into the realm of manufacturing the objects instead.

So, say you had an 'Exile' assault rifle blueprint.

Before the change, you put the blueprint in your light weapon slot and never have to worry about it again. Free assault rifles!

After the change, your blueprint spawns, say, 25 'Exile' Assault Rifles each downtime. In the fitting screen, you select the assault rifles themselves, instead of the blueprint, and when you run out, you'll have to switch to a different weapon.

So if you don't use a blueprint regularly, you'll stockpile them, 25 each day, and if you do use it regularly, after a while you'll find you'll need to re-engage with the Dust economy again. Also, because they're actual items instead of blueprints, those items will be available to be salvaged instead of just disappearing.

Personally, I peg each blueprint at 25/day for dropsuits, weapons, modules and equipment, and 3/day for vehicles and vehicle modules, but that's just a wild-ass guess.

If this change were implemented, I think those of us who have blueprints won't be completely outraged, and in fact might be happy that they're deriving value from blueprints they're not even using right now, since they'll continue to stockpile.

I'm not so sure dust needs passive isk and bypasses resource gathering (if we went that route). I'm also not a fan of cluttering my fitting window with a bunch of fits that I can only use for a couple matches everyday. I'd be happier to just get an eve like bpo, where I can mass produce them by the 1000's. But that's just me, I can't speak for the others.

The problem with making any changes to BPOs is that it would require the consent of every BPO holder. And that could get a bit tricky.

It's not a huge amount of passive isk - and it pales in comparison to the isk you currently save by using the blueprint now.

25 x assault rifle = ~62.5k ISK per day.

If you get an Eve-like BPO, the only way to do it (while keeping you involved in the economy, i.e. the whole point of what CCP is trying to accomplish) would be to force you to buy input materials off the market, which is not going to save you any money and would in fact just peeve you off.

I have 60 bpo's (I was a collector), i'd be very happy with the passive isk. I guess i'd get used to having to wait awhile to use them or market them. I'd just hope that we got fitting folders so I don't have to scroll through them all when looking for a fit. Yes, it would peeve me a bit with an eve like bpo as I bought one thing and got the other. No way around that if we are talking about changing their meaning. As I think about it, maybe I like your idea better, but i'm not sure as to what effect passive isk will have. I get bored and take a couple months off too comeback to a nice chunk of sp and a huge pile of stuff to sell. I like it, but is it good?

...I'm leaning towards the position that people who stockpile will be in a minority compared to people who use the heck out of the few blueprints they have.

It will really depend on what BPOs the player has. I use my dren assault and scout suits enough that I might burn through 25 in a day; the logi and sentinal suits that came with them get brought out once or twice a month, tops.

I don't think too many people who bought the elite pack actually use everything in it. Not everyone who bought the veteran pack uses those covenant sniper rifles. If you bought more than one type of pack you probably have some redundancy as well; a collector like Pent'noir might have Exile, Toxin and Dren assault rifles, but won't go through 75 ARs each day... they can take them to the market and collect a few of the items they don't have.

Under my proposal, you'd get a bunch of items each downtime and stand to make a tidy sum of cash each day when player trading arrives.

Alternatively just lock the BPOs to the players. How many players are left in eve that are from launch? As time goes by fewer and fewer people will remember BPOs let alone have them.

Your proposal interesting, but the above statement ignores how the market works. No one is going to be making tidy sums of cash. Instead, like basic EVE gear, the supply will be enormous and the militia gear will be even cheaper than it already is. You also have the issue of players with multiple copies of BPOs passively creative huge amounts of equipment.

It isn't an economic apocalypse, but it creates an effectively similar situation to everyone having a free BPO. It's so cheap it may as well be free.



Really, I think that is the only situation that doesn't eventually create a different economic problem of its own. Yes, you'll have a set of players that never buys certain Militia items from the market. But the "free" items won't ever spread to new players, and so the problem is contained.

The issue with that? It assumes you're going to get a bunch of new players in the future...

I think CCP can accept that problem otherwise they would stop developing the game right now. I mean if the only future for Dust is to bleed players without gaining new ones, it is already a dead game.

As we've heard, the blueprints used in Dust are adversely affecting the economy, and CCP has to do something about it.


IMO, the blueprint situation in Dust has striking parallels to the tech 2 blueprint crisis that happened in Eve, back in 2006 or whenever.

The situation was slightly different: in Eve, a few lucky people had blueprints and were the supply bottleneck and made lots of money from everyone else.

In Dust, people spent RL money and the blueprints are now crippling demand. Either way, it's not good for the economy.

The solution for Dust blueprints might be very similar to what happened in Eve.

The solution was to make blueprints unable to keep up with demand.

In Eve, the introduction of invention increased supply by a hundredfold, so what would take a T2 blueprint owner a month to produce, could be done in two days by a dedicated inventor. Sure, the inventor couldn't make those items as cheaply, but he could move a lot more items per month.

In Dust, this would be accomplished by taking blueprints out of the fitting screen, and into the realm of manufacturing the objects instead.

So, say you had an 'Exile' assault rifle blueprint.

Before the change, you put the blueprint in your light weapon slot and never have to worry about it again. Free assault rifles!

After the change, your blueprint spawns, say, 25 'Exile' Assault Rifles each downtime. In the fitting screen, you select the assault rifles themselves, instead of the blueprint, and when you run out, you'll have to switch to a different weapon.

So if you don't use a blueprint regularly, you'll stockpile them, 25 each day, and if you do use it regularly, after a while you'll find you'll need to re-engage with the Dust economy again. Also, because they're actual items instead of blueprints, those items will be available to be salvaged instead of just disappearing.

Personally, I peg each blueprint at 25/day for dropsuits, weapons, modules and equipment, and 3/day for vehicles and vehicle modules, but that's just a wild-ass guess.

If this change were implemented, I think those of us who have blueprints won't be completely outraged, and in fact might be happy that they're deriving value from blueprints they're not even using right now, since they'll continue to stockpile.

It's militia gear

:/

Bpo's have the SAME stats as basic equipment. The ONLY difference is higher CPU/PG usage
I run my bpo's 23/7

It won't work for one simple reason.

We don't carry a huge arsenal around with us, we manufacture one item at a time at the point of use.


Supply Depots and CRUs don't contain a huge armory, they have basic materials and use your BPC or BPO license to authorize the construction of an item.

That's because it's militia gear, which as the SAME stats as basic equipment, but with higher CPU/PG

Last I checked, militia dropsuits and weapons were worse than their standard counterparts.

I have a 19k raven fit and I don't see any difference in making money. But I save I think over 3k. If that's a lot to you then you must suck. And besides, if they have a full BPO fit, they are pretty much insta kill unless they stack complex shields/armor with it.

I just wish I would have grabbed some BPO mods for my BPO LAV when I had the chance
:....-(

This is pretty much how I thought it should work, except a few differences:

1) You could have some limited number of automated assemblers with your quarters that you can plug in these blueprints at. 10 total for example.

2) These assemblers would use scrap material, scavenged goods, and recycled material from battle to VERY SLOWLY make a small number of free goods from your blueprints, but the blueprints themselves couldn't be equipped.

3) The blueprints instead could be researched to increase their production speed. This would come attached to a material cost curve. The faster you wanted it to make equipment the more it would cost in isk/materials.

4) Eventually the research on BPOs degrades back toward their initial low value based on how many runs it has produced.

5) Planetary production facilities would allow for more efficient and less degrading amounts of runs from blueprints and research labs would enable more, and lower cost blueprint research.

Did I mention that if advanced and prototype weapons require a standard weapon to manufacture, that would dilute the market and sideline blueprints even more?

What do you mean it would dilute the market? There would be an elastic demand on standard weapons if they were components in the advanced manufacturing process.

But what would happen to the 51+ Copies of a raven assault suit fitting I have?

Or the 30+ copies of my Templar fittings?

I didn't even know we had an economy yet in the first place....

Then each downtime you get an extra 800 suits.

There's no difference between you having 51 copies of a blueprint, and 51 guys having one copy.

Yeah, that's right.

It's a very primitive monopoly:

CCP spawns weapons, players buy them (or have blueprints so they don't have to buy them)

Still, as it is now.... blueprints cause no real problems with our so called "economy".

In the future, when we have a player-driven market then, they might cause some problems; Look at T2 Blueprint Originals, they don't exactly screw over EVE's economy.

The reason why BPOs aren't working as intended is they are having a large negative impact on the ingame economy. For the economy to function properly, items need to be consumed in battle. With BPOs, no items are consumed, which breaks this fundamental requirement.