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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3663
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Posted - 2013.10.27 06:28:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:I suppose it isn't a surprise that the Amarr can not grasp the negative implications of imperial expansion. I see the danger in their expansion due to their lack of self control and morals. See that's just it though. You see the fault in their supposed lack of morals, but not in the perversion of a foreign power subjugating an entire race. If you refer to the Lord's work then know it is a necessity rather than a matter of choice. We can not more deny the will of God than a patriotic Caldari betray his State. I see you still find a manner to twist the message of the ancient texts to fit your needs. It is a blatant manipulation of the faith. Aztec I suggest you back down from this, you are pushing this argument away from what it was, now changing into something you haven't the slightest clue about.
Back down now Heathen. Do not make me start another discussion about the holy texts. They are not yours to interpret. That is the sacred duty of the Theological Council. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2300
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:59:00 -
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The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3671
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all.
Again you talk about what you do not know Gallentean, you have again and again shown your ignorance and lack of capacity to think outside of your meddlesome Gallentean ideals. I have not reason to treat anything you say and worthy of my time, nor in any other case worth debate.
However since you are a heathen criticism of the Theological Council and the Empire as a who is beyond you. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
4333
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:17:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all.
Please refrain from engaging in moral debate with the zealot. You will not win. Additionally, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3674
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:21:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. Please refrain from engaging in moral debate with the zealot. You will not win. Additionally, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about.
((Even Assuming he did, whatever info he could provide would not be known to our characters)) |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2305
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:50:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. Please refrain from engaging in moral debate with the zealot. You will not win. Additionally, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about. You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3678
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:24:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. Please refrain from engaging in moral debate with the zealot. You will not win. Additionally, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about. You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery.
(Smashed head against brick wall at the inconsistencies in your RP.... not dealing with you Aztec....) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
341
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery.
Sigh.
Soldier, the Khanid are, if anything, more gung-ho about keeping tight control on their slaves than the mainstream Amarr: the Kingdom approves of the use of transcranial microcontrollers, devices that essentially put a slave into his or her own little personal reality-- mind control via reality manipulation.
If, from that, you are part of an offshoot that politically opposes slavery, fair enough. However, it seems pretty clear to this cheerful heathen that landing on the other side of a major war from the theology council (on the side of heathens, no less), would brand you a heretic-- irrevocably damned in the eyes of the Amarr.
Of course, there's no shortage of similarly condemned cultists. The Amarr are so hard on heretics mostly on account of many of them being Sani Sabik. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2328
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:08:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery. Sigh. Soldier, the Khanid are, if anything, more gung-ho about keeping tight control on their slaves than the mainstream Amarr: the Kingdom approves of the use of transcranial microcontrollers, devices that essentially put a slave into his or her own little personal reality-- mind control via reality manipulation. If, from that, you are part of an offshoot that politically opposes slavery, fair enough. However, it seems pretty clear to this cheerful heathen that landing on the other side of a major war from the theology council (on the side of heathens, no less), would brand you a heretic-- irrevocably damned in the eyes of the Amarr. Of course, there's no shortage of similarly condemned cultists. The Amarr are so hard on heretics mostly on account of many of them being Sani Sabik. Agreed, my religion is not mainstream and it is persecuted under the Khanid Government. There are few members(that are living) and we are spread out across the galaxy. We have been trying to move to the Federation. Though, our strict rule set does not make us popular and we have had small success in the number of new members. Fortunately, the few members we have attracted are high calibre in the class society.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3686
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:58:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery. Sigh. Soldier, the Khanid are, if anything, more gung-ho about keeping tight control on their slaves than the mainstream Amarr: the Kingdom approves of the use of transcranial microcontrollers, devices that essentially put a slave into his or her own little personal reality-- mind control via reality manipulation. If, from that, you are part of an offshoot that politically opposes slavery, fair enough. However, it seems pretty clear to this cheerful heathen that landing on the other side of a major war from the theology council (on the side of heathens, no less), would brand you a heretic-- irrevocably damned in the eyes of the Amarr. Of course, there's no shortage of similarly condemned cultists. The Amarr are so hard on heretics mostly on account of many of them being Sani Sabik. Agreed, my religion is not mainstream and it is persecuted under the Khanid Government. There are few members(that are living) and we are spread out across the galaxy. We have been trying to move to the Federation. Though, our strict rule set does not make us popular and we have had small success in the number of new members. Fortunately, the few members we have attracted are high calibre in the class society. Then you statements have no bearing on the discussion as you are a heretic and know not of the Amarr Faith.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3332
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:06:00 -
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/emote sigh
More Amarrians who claim to freedom fighters against slavery? You're much like that other Amarr who came here some while ago, "something Echo" I believe. Claimed to be loyal to the Amarr, but strictly against out implementation of slavery.
Know that our form of slavery is in no ways oppressive, it is entirely a means to enlighten those unfortunate enough to be born in a dark society and prepare them for life as equals in our peaceful, united Empire. By advocating against them you are a traitor to the scriptures, the Empress, and the Amarr faith. You do not have to right to call yourself an Amarrian, or even a Khanid for that matter. You are a disgrace.
Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation!
Amarr Victor!
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3689
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:27:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:/emote sigh
More Amarrians who claim to freedom fighters against slavery? You're much like that other Amarr who came here some while ago, "something Echo" I believe. Claimed to be loyal to the Amarr, but strictly against out implementation of slavery.
Know that our form of slavery is in no ways oppressive, it is entirely a means to enlighten those unfortunate enough to be born in a dark society and prepare them for life as equals in our peaceful, united Empire. By advocating against them you are a traitor to the scriptures, the Empress, and the Amarr faith. You do not have to right to call yourself an Amarrian, or even a Khanid for that matter. You are a disgrace. Doniken is, a much more mild person than he used to be.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
26
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Posted - 2013.10.29 02:59:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-b9TioIto
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
26
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:02:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:/emote sigh
More Amarrians who claim to freedom fighters against slavery? You're much like that other Amarr who came here some while ago, "something Echo" I believe. Claimed to be loyal to the Amarr, but strictly against out implementation of slavery.
Know that our form of slavery is in no ways oppressive, it is entirely a means to enlighten those unfortunate enough to be born in a dark society and prepare them for life as equals in our peaceful, united Empire. By advocating against them you are a traitor to the scriptures, the Empress, and the Amarr faith. You do not have to right to call yourself an Amarrian, or even a Khanid for that matter. You are a disgrace. Furthermore to add to that not only is it seen as enlightenmeant but also it is treated more a indentured serveitude & they are treated with respect my referance is a Amarr bloodline chooice |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
26
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:26:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Does this really matter or are these the bickering of Caldari and Gallente? Something that shames both of your races. Respectfully, Templar Crusader, ninety-three years of war, recently resumed on a limited basis, forms the background for that "bickering." This is an ancestral conflict, and its roots are deeper and more complicated than the conflict between yourselves and the Matari. The Caldari and Gallente philosophies of life are inimical to one another. They live for themselves; we live for our families, corporations, and peoples. They seek to change us into them; we seek to be left alone. Caldari Prime is the symbolic core of the conflict. We side with you primarily because they are on the other side. To us, they are the greater evil.
No offence but isn't Caldari a Dictatorship you probably would have limited access to certain topics & if you were caught philosopising (new word I know) you'd probably get in trouble some then again i'm not Caldari so wouldn't really know I'm just curious if you would be limited to certain information because you are Caldari |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
26
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:32:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. I'm sure all the races has corrupt officials that do the same line of twisting things but I first suggest you have a deep understanding of the Amarr faith if you haven't read The Holy Scriptures then you aren't in a postition to argue a point much at all. Also currently the Minmitar & Gallente control alot of the Factional space please consider who's expanding & conquoring here. (btw my apologies for all the posts try to reply to as much of the topic as possible) |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
26
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:48:00 -
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quote=True Adamance]Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:[quote=Galm Fae] I see you still find a manner to twist the message of the ancient texts to fit your needs. It is a blatant manipulation of the faith. Aztec I suggest you back down from this, you are pushing this argument away from what it was, now changing into something you haven't the slightest clue about. Back down now Heathen. Do not make me start another discussion about the holy texts. They are not yours to interpret. That is the sacred duty of the Theological Council.
Speaking of that last part do you know in RL the reformation for christanity in history (basically christanity's civil war) was caused in part because the church was called corrupt by some & the monk Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses or arguements as to why the church was, he believed that the bible shouldn't be interpreded by just the church officials but by the people reading the bible themself & then drawing they're personal conclusion & so he took the bible & wrote it in the common people's language as the bible was kept in originally all in Latin so only those with the right.... schooling you might say could read, interprect, & teach it. (Though my history memory is a bit sketchy at some points so this is just roughly what I recall btw I respect all real life realigions & beliefs & this is in no way meant to offend) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3721
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:50:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:quote=True Adamance] Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:[quote=Galm Fae] I see you still find a manner to twist the message of the ancient texts to fit your needs. It is a blatant manipulation of the faith. Aztec I suggest you back down from this, you are pushing this argument away from what it was, now changing into something you haven't the slightest clue about. Back down now Heathen. Do not make me start another discussion about the holy texts. They are not yours to interpret. That is the sacred duty of the Theological Council. Speaking of that last part do you know in RL the reformation for christanity in history (basically christanity's civil war) was caused in part because the church was called corrupt by some & the monk Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses or arguements as to why the church was, he believed that the bible shouldn't be interpreded by just the church officials but by the people reading the bible themself & then drawing they're personal conclusion & so he took the bible & wrote it in the common people's language as the bible was kept in originally all in Latin so only those with the right.... schooling you might say could read, interprect, & teach it. (Though my history memory is a bit sketchy at some points so this is just roughly what I recall btw I respect all real life realigions & beliefs & this is in no way meant to offend) (( Dude we don't know who or what you are talking about. IC we have no concept of Christianity))
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
343
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:05:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:No offence but isn't Caldari a Dictatorship you probably would have limited access to certain topics & if you were caught philosopising (new word I know) you'd probably get in trouble some then again i'm not Caldari so wouldn't really know I'm just curious if you would be limited to certain information because you are Caldari No offense taken, soldier.
The Caldari State is a quasi-feudal corporate meritocracy. The Caldari are ruled by a group of megacorporations, which are themselves coordinated by a panel of the megacorporate chief executives. This doesn't mean that the megacorporations just do as they please, however; even they are bound by Caldari law and culture, and, as the last few years have demonstrated, by the will of the Caldari people themselves. Rebellion is not unheard of.
Caldari live as "citizens" of their patron corporations, though that status can change repeatedly over the course of a lifetime.
The State's last few years as a "dictatorship" under State Executor Tibus Heth were a historical anomaly, one that ended a few months ago. It seems Heth-haan's final much-needed reform was to discredit his own office.
Strictly speaking, I'm an Achur, rather than Caldari. Those of us who still live as Achura are a client state of the Caldari, regarded as poor cousins of sorts. We have our own government, and we live in isolation from the Caldari civilization, mostly in the rural areas of our homeworld. Philosophizing (not-so-new word, meaning, I think, about the same as the new) is something of a cultural habit. We're an intellectual, and also deeply spiritual, people.
Even if I were properly Caldari, though, I'd probably be regarded as eccentric rather than dangerous-- a "jaalan," or dissident, at most. They sometimes have trouble getting hired or promoted, but they're not usually subject to more severe forms of censure. They're usually tolerated, if not exactly approved of. Besides, aside from the occasional critical bit of Achur perspective, I'm a strong State loyalist. I genuinely believe in the State as the best system for the purpose it serves: the protection of its peoples and their cultures.
Even if the State were still a dictatorship, dictators only usually get upset about thinkers who disapprove of their administrations. |
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