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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.23 03:58:00 -
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Admittedly I would not hesitate to say that the Minmatar are belligerent, though not necessarily in a bad way. I mean to say that they have always been a straight forwards and headstrong people. Our own historical experiences with the Minmatar have shown us that. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Do you remember that they attacked us with capital ships over a political incident that went their way anyway? Whilst I'd prefer not to see this kind of thing, the man has a point. I'm not sure I'd say it went their way. The Federals tried the subject, found him guilty, and only then sent him off to be tried by the Minmatar. Essentially, they treated the Minmatar nation like a wolf pit, into which the guilty may be thrown. This isn't precisely respectful. The Minmatar have been struggling, for years, to right, or else avenge, wrongs they perceive as having been done their people by and in another nation-- a fight the Federation has supported. Why is it surprising that they don't take well to being told that a crime isn't theirs to avenge, at least initially, because it occurred on the other side of a national border? It's surprising because the attack happened in Gallente space and primarily on Gallentean citizens. If a similar attack happened almost anywhere in New Eden, where the owner of the space is primarily the victim, would someone else attack over not being allowed to try the killer? Almost certainly not. Of course it's upsetting to them. It's always a tragedy when lives are lost and even more of a concern when they're your people. But jumping dreadnoughts into Gallente space and attacking over not being able to try the victim is going much too far. Sending Gerne Broteau to the Republic may not have been 'precisely respectful', but it's a better peace-making gesture than throwing him in a Federal prison for the rest of his life. Admittedly Karin Midular was the Ray of Matar, no ordinary citizen, and a woman who was more symbol than flesh and bone. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:55:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Adamance, could you explain exactly how the Gallente have attempted to 'subjugate' the Minmatar? (( I would consider it my characters IC stand point))
Coupling the constant reports out of the Federation about Minmatar discrimination in a so called free and accepting society, as well as using the Matari as a buffer against us Amarr, this is merely an observation I have made, not that I have actual proof (that would mean my character has access to info he couldn't/ shouldn't have), through this funding that Aztec says the Federation gives the Minmatar is rather damning.
Mainly also that I believe that Gallente will harbour a resentment over the Broteu incident, especially with the minmatar jumping in dreadnaughts and demanding a say in the justice the Federation is often times all to willing and self righteously willing to dispense.
I would not say that I see active signs of the gallentean boot on the backs of the Matari, only that I perceive the boot in the words they speak, the actions they take. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3620
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:49:00 -
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Does this really matter or are these the bickering of Caldari and Gallente? Something that shames both of your races. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:53:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:I suppose it isn't a surprise that the Amarr can not grasp the negative implications of imperial expansion. I see the danger in their expansion due to their lack of self control and morals. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.27 03:53:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:I suppose it isn't a surprise that the Amarr can not grasp the negative implications of imperial expansion. I see the danger in their expansion due to their lack of self control and morals. See that's just it though. You see the fault in their supposed lack of morals, but not in the perversion of a foreign power subjugating an entire race. If you refer to the Lord's work then know it is a necessity rather than a matter of choice. We can not more deny the will of God than a patriotic Caldari betray his State. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.27 06:28:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:I suppose it isn't a surprise that the Amarr can not grasp the negative implications of imperial expansion. I see the danger in their expansion due to their lack of self control and morals. See that's just it though. You see the fault in their supposed lack of morals, but not in the perversion of a foreign power subjugating an entire race. If you refer to the Lord's work then know it is a necessity rather than a matter of choice. We can not more deny the will of God than a patriotic Caldari betray his State. I see you still find a manner to twist the message of the ancient texts to fit your needs. It is a blatant manipulation of the faith. Aztec I suggest you back down from this, you are pushing this argument away from what it was, now changing into something you haven't the slightest clue about.
Back down now Heathen. Do not make me start another discussion about the holy texts. They are not yours to interpret. That is the sacred duty of the Theological Council. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all.
Again you talk about what you do not know Gallentean, you have again and again shown your ignorance and lack of capacity to think outside of your meddlesome Gallentean ideals. I have not reason to treat anything you say and worthy of my time, nor in any other case worth debate.
However since you are a heathen criticism of the Theological Council and the Empire as a who is beyond you. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:21:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. Please refrain from engaging in moral debate with the zealot. You will not win. Additionally, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about.
((Even Assuming he did, whatever info he could provide would not be known to our characters)) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:24:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The Council has been corrupted by secular powers for centuries. They now serve as an easy way to shove ideas down people's throats. Rather then their original purpose of interpreting the ideals of the True Faith, in a way that benefits all. Please refrain from engaging in moral debate with the zealot. You will not win. Additionally, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about. You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery.
(Smashed head against brick wall at the inconsistencies in your RP.... not dealing with you Aztec....) |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:58:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery. Sigh. Soldier, the Khanid are, if anything, more gung-ho about keeping tight control on their slaves than the mainstream Amarr: the Kingdom approves of the use of transcranial microcontrollers, devices that essentially put a slave into his or her own little personal reality-- mind control via reality manipulation. If, from that, you are part of an offshoot that politically opposes slavery, fair enough. However, it seems pretty clear to this cheerful heathen that landing on the other side of a major war from the theology council (on the side of heathens, no less), would brand you a heretic-- irrevocably damned in the eyes of the Amarr. Of course, there's no shortage of similarly condemned cultists. The Amarr are so hard on heretics mostly on account of many of them being Sani Sabik. Agreed, my religion is not mainstream and it is persecuted under the Khanid Government. There are few members(that are living) and we are spread out across the galaxy. We have been trying to move to the Federation. Though, our strict rule set does not make us popular and we have had small success in the number of new members. Fortunately, the few members we have attracted are high calibre in the class society. Then you statements have no bearing on the discussion as you are a heretic and know not of the Amarr Faith.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3689
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:27:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:/emote sigh
More Amarrians who claim to freedom fighters against slavery? You're much like that other Amarr who came here some while ago, "something Echo" I believe. Claimed to be loyal to the Amarr, but strictly against out implementation of slavery.
Know that our form of slavery is in no ways oppressive, it is entirely a means to enlighten those unfortunate enough to be born in a dark society and prepare them for life as equals in our peaceful, united Empire. By advocating against them you are a traitor to the scriptures, the Empress, and the Amarr faith. You do not have to right to call yourself an Amarrian, or even a Khanid for that matter. You are a disgrace. Doniken is, a much more mild person than he used to be.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3721
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:50:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:quote=True Adamance] Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:[quote=Galm Fae] I see you still find a manner to twist the message of the ancient texts to fit your needs. It is a blatant manipulation of the faith. Aztec I suggest you back down from this, you are pushing this argument away from what it was, now changing into something you haven't the slightest clue about. Back down now Heathen. Do not make me start another discussion about the holy texts. They are not yours to interpret. That is the sacred duty of the Theological Council. Speaking of that last part do you know in RL the reformation for christanity in history (basically christanity's civil war) was caused in part because the church was called corrupt by some & the monk Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses or arguements as to why the church was, he believed that the bible shouldn't be interpreded by just the church officials but by the people reading the bible themself & then drawing they're personal conclusion & so he took the bible & wrote it in the common people's language as the bible was kept in originally all in Latin so only those with the right.... schooling you might say could read, interprect, & teach it. (Though my history memory is a bit sketchy at some points so this is just roughly what I recall btw I respect all real life realigions & beliefs & this is in no way meant to offend) (( Dude we don't know who or what you are talking about. IC we have no concept of Christianity))
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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