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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:39:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Do you remember that they attacked us with capital ships over a political incident that went their way anyway?
Whilst I'd prefer not to see this kind of thing, the man has a point.
I'm not sure I'd say it went their way. The Federals tried the subject, found him guilty, and only then sent him off to be tried by the Minmatar. Essentially, they treated the Minmatar nation like a wolf pit, into which the guilty may be thrown. This isn't precisely respectful.
The Minmatar have been struggling, for years, to right, or else avenge, wrongs they perceive as having been done their people by and in another nation-- a fight the Federation has supported. Why is it surprising that they don't take well to being told that a crime isn't theirs to avenge, at least initially, because it occurred on the other side of a national border? |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:00:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's surprising because the attack happened in Gallente space and primarily on Gallentean citizens. If a similar attack happened almost anywhere in New Eden, where the owner of the space is primarily the victim, would someone else attack over not being allowed to try the killer? Almost certainly not.
Of course it's upsetting to them. It's always a tragedy when lives are lost and even more of a concern when they're your people. But jumping dreadnoughts into Gallente space and attacking over not being able to try the victim is going much too far.
Sending Gerne Broteau to the Republic may not have been 'precisely respectful', but it's a better peace-making gesture than throwing him in a Federal prison for the rest of his life.
Though understandable, it seems naive to say that citizens of the Federation are Gallentean citizens and there's an end to it. After all, many of the people the Matari are attempting to free are, and have been all their lives, subjects of the Amarr Empire.
The Minmatar put blood before legal citizenship. It seems that they see Minmatar slaughtered in no very different light than Minmatar enslaved-- particularly when the Ray of Matar is among the victims. They've made a sacrament out of vengeance.
It is a common Gallente failing not to see why others would want to be as they are, see the universe as they do, instead of seeing it your way. The invasion of Caldari Prime occurred for similar reasons, desecration and vandalism at Caldari cultural sites, ethnic riots that saw ethnic Caldari the victims. Tibus Heth's homecoming was opportunistic, but the invasion was primed by those among the Gallente who chose to attack what the Caldari hold most dear: their cultural heritage.
Attack Caldari culture and history, draw a violent response. Attack those of Minmatar blood and a Matari cultural hero, draw a violent response. It's not quite clockwork, but there are things we are willing to kill or die over that your culture doesn't even see as especially valuable.
You cannot expect the universe to conform itself to your sense of what is right and reasonable. If your nation can shed its self-righteousness and naivete, there may be a chance for peace. Otherwise ... you will not be able to avoid offending, if you cannot be bothered to see what we value, and why.
Through a great many insults few Gallente even understood as insults, the Caldari are already bitter enemies to your nation. How many insults will the Matari endure, I wonder? |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Does this really matter or are these the bickering of Caldari and Gallente? Something that shames both of your races.
Respectfully, Templar Crusader, ninety-three years of war, recently resumed on a limited basis, forms the background for that "bickering."
This is an ancestral conflict, and its roots are deeper and more complicated than the conflict between yourselves and the Matari. The Caldari and Gallente philosophies of life are inimical to one another. They live for themselves; we live for our families, corporations, and peoples. They seek to change us into them; we seek to be left alone. Caldari Prime is the symbolic core of the conflict.
We side with you primarily because they are on the other side. To us, they are the greater evil. |
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You underestimate me, though, little do you that I am part of a Khanid branch of the Amarr Religion. It is strictly against religious reasons for slavery.
Sigh.
Soldier, the Khanid are, if anything, more gung-ho about keeping tight control on their slaves than the mainstream Amarr: the Kingdom approves of the use of transcranial microcontrollers, devices that essentially put a slave into his or her own little personal reality-- mind control via reality manipulation.
If, from that, you are part of an offshoot that politically opposes slavery, fair enough. However, it seems pretty clear to this cheerful heathen that landing on the other side of a major war from the theology council (on the side of heathens, no less), would brand you a heretic-- irrevocably damned in the eyes of the Amarr.
Of course, there's no shortage of similarly condemned cultists. The Amarr are so hard on heretics mostly on account of many of them being Sani Sabik. |
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:05:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:No offence but isn't Caldari a Dictatorship you probably would have limited access to certain topics & if you were caught philosopising (new word I know) you'd probably get in trouble some then again i'm not Caldari so wouldn't really know I'm just curious if you would be limited to certain information because you are Caldari
No offense taken, soldier.
The Caldari State is a quasi-feudal corporate meritocracy. The Caldari are ruled by a group of megacorporations, which are themselves coordinated by a panel of the megacorporate chief executives. This doesn't mean that the megacorporations just do as they please, however; even they are bound by Caldari law and culture, and, as the last few years have demonstrated, by the will of the Caldari people themselves. Rebellion is not unheard of.
Caldari live as "citizens" of their patron corporations, though that status can change repeatedly over the course of a lifetime.
The State's last few years as a "dictatorship" under State Executor Tibus Heth were a historical anomaly, one that ended a few months ago. It seems Heth-haan's final much-needed reform was to discredit his own office.
Strictly speaking, I'm an Achur, rather than Caldari. Those of us who still live as Achura are a client state of the Caldari, regarded as poor cousins of sorts. We have our own government, and we live in isolation from the Caldari civilization, mostly in the rural areas of our homeworld. Philosophizing (not-so-new word, meaning, I think, about the same as the new) is something of a cultural habit. We're an intellectual, and also deeply spiritual, people.
Even if I were properly Caldari, though, I'd probably be regarded as eccentric rather than dangerous-- a "jaalan," or dissident, at most. They sometimes have trouble getting hired or promoted, but they're not usually subject to more severe forms of censure. They're usually tolerated, if not exactly approved of. Besides, aside from the occasional critical bit of Achur perspective, I'm a strong State loyalist. I genuinely believe in the State as the best system for the purpose it serves: the protection of its peoples and their cultures.
Even if the State were still a dictatorship, dictators only usually get upset about thinkers who disapprove of their administrations. |
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