DUST Faction Warfare

In Eve Vegas the Dust DEV team talked about the removal of ISK from DFW and replacing it with LP (Loyalty Points). This will work as a 3rd currency within the game (alongside ISK & AUR) within a special section of the market. This is a good change for the overall player experience in that the player will have a faction investment and standing. So with Friendly Fire being added-on to FW you can lower your standing if you shoot a teammate. (Ill go more in to that on Podside)

The mindset before was to keep the mercenary vibe for FW and not allow you to join a side, only take contracts, but the community (us) wanted it more like the system within EVE Online now it will be. During the presentation that I saw (and you have on the live stream) and what we spoke about in the round table the system looks to be a great adaptation. CCP Logibro was right in saying GÇ£FactionWarfare is going to get the love it needsGÇ¥ and Im excited to see it in action.

It wont until we have a player market, its a terrible idea without one.

Now just asking "how is that"? You give no details... Just a statement

My point of view is I see some of these items as rewards. Why should public trade effect a reward program?

Now though I just asked this question I will say that the Market and the FW changes seem to be close together in release. Then if so I guess it truly does not matter.

Because FW will become a massive ISK sink, yet another play ground for the super rich to do what they want in, where as those who are dedicated to their factional alignment with suffer and not be able to engage in, which in being loyal makes it more their right to.

Now with no ISK rewards means that either the LP rewards need to cover or be equivalent to quanitity or quality of suits and materials lost, which I sincerely hope is not the case. In this sense the rewards from LP will need to be superior and desirable to merc to get them to be a part of FW.

In this case the same market in EVE should in theory develop in Dust allowing FW mercs to be self sufficient in FW and not reliant to Public matches to make their ISK.

Well in that case, the "middle classed" mercs will have to set aside ISK farming days to keep up the efforts. This is also might push mercs to align with corporations with tax rates to do FW so in the event they need money, they receive donations from the corporation.

I know this will be something I need to manage if Anubis Prime Syndicate takes off in the direction I would like for it to go in.

In principal I like it. On the other hand the fittings i use are diversified across all 4 factions.... I use Caldari/Amarr dropsuits, Gallente rifles, Minmatar sidearms, and Amarr ScR. I am so screwed.....

Well what you use wont purly be locked down to race. Like in EVE FW you can use any Ship you want... DUST will be the same

I know, its like this: I really like Amarr stuff recently, but I can't really join the Amarr for their LP rewards or I betray my people (I Rp in IGS), and the other factions I would only be getting bits and pieces of my suits that I use. So no matter which (or which 2?) I choose I am still losing out on something.....

I wasn't concerned about having to use a faction's gear, just that I wouldn't get the full use out of the system.

I still need to figure out which side to fight for up in space and down on the ground, curse my friends, they all like different races!!!!

I wonder why have isk needed for LP purchases at all... I get isk sink for when npc stuff is gone?

I know eve does it but why not just LP for FW? then you won't need isk for your fits.

I wonder why have isk needed for LP purchases at all... I get isk sink for when npc stuff is gone?

I know eve does it but why not just LP for FW? then you won't need isk for your fits.

Now just asking "how is that"? You give no details... Just a statement

Because there is no way the LP will be covering the typical losses if a skirmish match.

My 2 cents: They should throw in some sort of isk bonus for the winner, preferably higher the closer the system is from being flipped.

OK much better

Your right about an ISK Sink being formed by taking away ISK and replacing it with LP, but the forming of an ISK Sink in DUST 514 is not new news here and I for one will welcome it here as a trade to gain LP & Standings with the Faction of my choosing. Will not see eye to eye on this and that is expected until our hand are on it

Also If balanced correctly it should not cause to much of a problem. Some of these Items will require less Skill Points then their equivalent on the current market and so will cost less in LP. There will also be Items that can only be found in the LP Store and 1 would think these Items would give you advantages though you may not have a large quantity of them

EDIT: Still waiting to see the true changes to BPOs as well for this could play somewhat of a part in this ISK Sink

Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.

Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in.

That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets.

What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming.

This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player.

IN EVE I can play the markets, which I do, I can make money out of FW, which I am now. I just made 50 Million ISK selling a Navy Issue Omen. Far more profitable than simply fighting someone or mission running.

All I'm saying is, I don't see why a mercenary would just continually run FW without considering ISK farming. Of course, all the detail about profit and how it will actually be implemented is under speculation. But I don't see why a merc would be upset when he has ways to farm money. You just have to take a break from a couple of FW matches and do some ISK farming. Just simple.

If you want to drink water, you get up a get a cup of it instead of looking at an empty one.

What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming.

This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player.

The player earned 75 LP for the battle.

The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK

Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense.

Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing?

Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing.

I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation.

Agreed, of course!

However.... consider the value of the items if you have to work those matches to earn minimal rewards......Big ISKies for us FW players.

However.... consider the value of the items if you have to work those matches to earn minimal rewards......Big ISKies for us FW players.

That is a regular GEK in the picture.

Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine

DUST Faction Warfare

In Eve Vegas the Dust DEV team talked about the removal of ISK from DFW and replacing it with LP (Loyalty Points). This will work as a 3rd currency within the game (alongside ISK & AUR) within a special section of the market. This is a good change for the overall player experience in that the player will have a faction investment and standing. So with Friendly Fire being added-on to FW you can lower your standing if you shoot a teammate. (Ill go more in to that on Podside)

The mindset before was to keep the mercenary vibe for FW and not allow you to join a side, only take contracts, but the community (us) wanted it more like the system within EVE Online now it will be. During the presentation that I saw (and you have on the live stream) and what we spoke about in the round table the system looks to be a great adaptation. CCP Logibro was right in saying GÇ£FactionWarfare is going to get the love it needsGÇ¥ and Im excited to see it in action.


EDIT: Here are some Pics of the Slides show at EVE Vegas for the LP Store and FW Changes

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image37_zps63f481c9.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image31_zps4d160122.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image35_zps0d1f40ad.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image36_zpsb35ff6c9.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image33_zps1f2628f7.jpg

if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?

Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles
Search your soul, you know it to be true.

Dev hax and a Gallent female.

Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR.

Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though...

Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though...

Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.

Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in.

Thing is, once you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well.

you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well.

Well Sad thing is I don't think the general community of this game is...well economically.... competent enough to handle a full economy. A lot of people will make a lot of money during player market implementation. For me that will be as a supplier of FoTM gear during the early days.

I'll make money off of the player market too (selling stockpiles of officer weapons) but unless they shut down the NPC market store for a few weeks I don't see how fighting 4 battles for 1 rifle will lead to an influx of ISK.

But I'm not going to get worked up before we get some more info on the rewards.

DUST Faction Warfare

In Eve Vegas the Dust DEV team talked about the removal of ISK from DFW and replacing it with LP (Loyalty Points). This will work as a 3rd currency within the game (alongside ISK & AUR) within a special section of the market. This is a good change for the overall player experience in that the player will have a faction investment and standing. So with Friendly Fire being added-on to FW you can lower your standing if you shoot a teammate. (Ill go more in to that on Podside)

The mindset before was to keep the mercenary vibe for FW and not allow you to join a side, only take contracts, but the community (us) wanted it more like the system within EVE Online now it will be. During the presentation that I saw (and you have on the live stream) and what we spoke about in the round table the system looks to be a great adaptation. CCP Logibro was right in saying GÇ£FactionWarfare is going to get the love it needsGÇ¥ and Im excited to see it in action.


EDIT: Here are some Pics of the Slides show at EVE Vegas for the LP Store and FW Changes

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image37_zps63f481c9.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image31_zps4d160122.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image35_zps0d1f40ad.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image36_zpsb35ff6c9.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a608/ZionShad/Image33_zps1f2628f7.jpg

I think what he means is despite CCP using the term "mercenaries" in their marketing, we are not all mercenaries. True and I are loyalist to the Amarr cause, and it is our right to fight for Amarr. Without the player market, we need to resort to pubs to gain ISK which is time taken away from supporting Amarr.

This exactly. I am not a mercenary. I loathe to be called a mercenary. To be called a mercenary implies that loyalties can be bought. Mine cannot. I fight for the Empire. To take a Public Contract means I am fighting for a cause that is not my Empire. Therefore, I do not wish to be a part of the Public Contracts.

This exactly. I am not a mercenary. I loathe to be called a mercenary. To be called a mercenary implies that loyalties can be bought. Mine cannot. I fight for the Empire. To take a Public Contract means I am fighting for a cause that is not my Empire. Therefore, I do not wish to be a part of the Public Contracts.

I wouldn't bother talking with the Amarrian guys at certain points. They prove to go to the looney bin by jumping from RP posting to out of character posting.

Almost all of the Amarr FW groups at this point are invested enough in what we do that we don't even fit the profile for mercs anymore.

We don't sell ourselves to the highest bidder.

Respec's are coming back but it will be limited, optional and a cost attached to it

Thanks man these are great, good post.
I hope you don't mind but I add your pictures to my Vegas lecture notes; I didnt forget about you and told people to come here and give you some love. o7

What do you know!?!

Also I don't suppose you could grab a picture of these supposed Drones for sale on the market screen people have been talking about?

We spoke on them during the round table in Vegas and it's just what I said. So it could be something AUR Bought and limited to purchase once every 3 months or something... How it's done is still being looked at, but it's safe to say youll see them again

The only great thing about FW 2.0 is TK'ing. Prediction: CCP is going to have to turn TK'ing off within two weeks.

The only great thing about FW 2.0 is TK'ing. Prediction: CCP is going to have to turn TK'ing off within two weeks.

I just want my SP back from the useless vehicles. That's all I ask.

I reckon they should do it like this:

If all someone is going into FW just to be a troll and TK'ing everyone and thus being locked out from entering FW again: I think their whole account should then be locked out to stop people from creating new alt slots to get past their FW ban.

What do you guys think?

("-_-) ... Dot, dot, dot.

We spoke on them during the round table in Vegas and it's just what I said. So it could be something AUR Bought and limited to purchase once every 3 months or something... How it's done is still being looked at, but it's safe to say youll see them again

Why so gloom

We spoke on them during the round table in Vegas and it's just what I said. So it could be something AUR Bought and limited to purchase once every 3 months or something... How it's done is still being looked at, but it's safe to say youll see them again