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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1673
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:48:00 -
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The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2991
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:48:00 -
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Also there is an awesome pick from the slide show demonstrating how gaining loyalty for one faction lowers loyalty for another, I love CCP's stick drawings.
Also True I tried to hit you up on Skype but you missed it, we had 5 guys from PIE online and if you were there we could of had our first full 6 man PIE squad. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2991
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense.
Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing?
Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1673
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:55:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing.
I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2991
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:56:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation.
Agreed, of course! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3487
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:58:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation. Agreed, of course!
However.... consider the value of the items if you have to work those matches to earn minimal rewards......Big ISKies for us FW players. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1673
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation. Agreed, of course! However.... consider the value of the items if you have to work those matches to earn minimal rewards......Big ISKies for us FW players.
That is a regular GEK in the picture.
Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1531
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation. Agreed, of course! However.... consider the value of the items if you have to work those matches to earn minimal rewards......Big ISKies for us FW players.
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3490
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:07:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That is a regular GEK in the picture.
Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine
Well Sad thing is I don't think the general community of this game is...well economically.... competent enough to handle a full economy. A lot of people will make a lot of money during player market implementation. For me that will be as a supplier of FoTM gear during the early days. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1107
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:08:00 -
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Dev hax and a Gallent female.  |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:09:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles
Search your soul, you know it to be true. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3496
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:10:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true.
Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Dev hax and a Gallent female.
In the presentation they actually said that before they decided to do Dust they were instead going to do an FPS single player game about a female Gallente bounty hunter. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1531
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR.
Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3496
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:14:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR. Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though...
CQC is for suckers, and foot work is for chumps. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:15:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR. Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though...
Thing is, once you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1673
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:16:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.
Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in.
How would 5-10% corporate taxes fund an individual player's ISK free battles in FW?
If 100 players play 20 matches a week and average paying 15,000 ISK in taxes per match the corp could cover each player up to 300,000 ISK for ONE match per week. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1531
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:19:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR. Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though... Thing is, once you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well.
1 mill says My Duvolle will beat your Imperial... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3496
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:20:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well.
1 mill says My Duvolle will beat your Imperial...[/quote]
Take that best. Aero you down you before you know what hit you. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1673
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That is a regular GEK in the picture.
Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine
Well Sad thing is I don't think the general community of this game is...well economically.... competent enough to handle a full economy. A lot of people will make a lot of money during player market implementation. For me that will be as a supplier of FoTM gear during the early days.
I'll make money off of the player market too (selling stockpiles of officer weapons) but unless they shut down the NPC market store for a few weeks I don't see how fighting 4 battles for 1 rifle will lead to an influx of ISK.
But I'm not going to get worked up before we get some more info on the rewards. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3496
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:25:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
That is a regular GEK in the picture.
Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine
Well Sad thing is I don't think the general community of this game is...well economically.... competent enough to handle a full economy. A lot of people will make a lot of money during player market implementation. For me that will be as a supplier of FoTM gear during the early days. I'll make money off of the player market too (selling stockpiles of officer weapons) but unless they shut down the NPC market store for a few weeks I don't see how fighting 4 battles for 1 rifle will lead to an influx of ISK. But I'm not going to get worked up before we get some more info on the rewards.
EVE side Factionalised weapons and equipment goes for 4-5x the typical value of the standard equivalents. I'm hoping it works that way in Dust as well. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1992
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:32:00 -
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I THINK this LP new stuff should come with a SKILL RESPEC.I mean whats the point of having SP spent in weapons i will never be able to buy since i only play for Amarr (and seldomly Caldari) ? |
Raskutor
DUST University
Ivy League
32
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:35:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.
Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player. I think what he means is despite CCP using the term "mercenaries" in their marketing, we are not all mercenaries. True and I are loyalist to the Amarr cause, and it is our right to fight for Amarr. Without the player market, we need to resort to pubs to gain ISK which is time taken away from supporting Amarr.
This exactly. I am not a mercenary. I loathe to be called a mercenary. To be called a mercenary implies that loyalties can be bought. Mine cannot. I fight for the Empire. To take a Public Contract means I am fighting for a cause that is not my Empire. Therefore, I do not wish to be a part of the Public Contracts. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3498
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:37:00 -
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Raskutor wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.
Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player. I think what he means is despite CCP using the term "mercenaries" in their marketing, we are not all mercenaries. True and I are loyalist to the Amarr cause, and it is our right to fight for Amarr. Without the player market, we need to resort to pubs to gain ISK which is time taken away from supporting Amarr. This exactly. I am not a mercenary. I loathe to be called a mercenary. To be called a mercenary implies that loyalties can be bought. Mine cannot. I fight for the Empire. To take a Public Contract means I am fighting for a cause that is not my Empire. Therefore, I do not wish to be a part of the Public Contracts.
Luff you Rask |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1531
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:42:00 -
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Raskutor wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.
Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player. I think what he means is despite CCP using the term "mercenaries" in their marketing, we are not all mercenaries. True and I are loyalist to the Amarr cause, and it is our right to fight for Amarr. Without the player market, we need to resort to pubs to gain ISK which is time taken away from supporting Amarr. This exactly. I am not a mercenary. I loathe to be called a mercenary. To be called a mercenary implies that loyalties can be bought. Mine cannot. I fight for the Empire. To take a Public Contract means I am fighting for a cause that is not my Empire. Therefore, I do not wish to be a part of the Public Contracts.
I'm loyal to my corp and growing more loyal to my alliance as my time in there increases... |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1611
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:45:00 -
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I wouldn't bother talking with the Amarrian guys at certain points. They prove to go to the looney bin by jumping from RP posting to out of character posting. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3498
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:48:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I wouldn't bother talking with the Amarrian guys at certain points. They prove to go to the looney bin by jumping from RP posting to out of character posting.
Almost all of the Amarr FW groups at this point are invested enough in what we do that we don't even fit the profile for mercs anymore.
We don't sell ourselves to the highest bidder. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1612
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:52:00 -
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Ok |
Raskutor
DUST University
Ivy League
33
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:I wouldn't bother talking with the Amarrian guys at certain points. They prove to go to the looney bin by jumping from RP posting to out of character posting. Almost all of the Amarr FW groups at this point are invested enough in what we do that we don't even fit the profile for mercs anymore. We don't sell ourselves to the highest bidder.
This.
((Putting this here for clarification purposes. Speaking completely out of character and being entirely candid here: Even if I were not a devout Amarrian, what True Adamance just said holds true for me. I would squad with many of the folks in P.I.E. and PIE Ground Deployment at any time and for any thing. This is due to the fact that they are a great group of people to have fun and enjoy the game with. And as I said, this goes beyond our common interest as Amarr supporters.)) |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2062
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:01:00 -
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Thanks man these are great, good post.
I hope you don't mind but I add your pictures to my Vegas lecture notes; I didnt forget about you and told people to come here and give you some love. o7 |
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