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True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3454	Posted - 2013.10.21 22:16:00 - [1] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: DUST Faction Warfare In Eve Vegas the Dust DEV team talked about the removal of ISK from DFW and replacing it with LP (Loyalty Points). This will work as a 3rd currency within the game (alongside ISK & AUR) within a special section of the market. This is a good change for the overall player experience in that the player will have a faction investment and standing. So with Friendly Fire being added-on to FW you can lower your standing if you shoot a teammate. (Ill go more in to that on Podside) The mindset before was to keep the mercenary vibe for FW and not allow you to join a side, only take contracts, but the community (us) wanted it more like the system within EVE Online now it will be. During the presentation that I saw (and you have on the live stream) and what we spoke about in the round table the system looks to be a great adaptation. CCP Logibro was right in saying GÇ£FactionWarfare is going to get the love it needsGÇ¥ and Im excited to see it in action. It wont until we have a player market, its a terrible idea without one.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3471	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:23:00 - [2] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zion Shad wrote: DUST Faction Warfare... It wont until we have a player market, its a terrible idea without one. Now just asking "how is that"? You give no details... Just a statement My point of view is I see some of these items as rewards. Why should public trade effect a reward program? Now though I just asked this question I will say that the Market and the FW changes seem to be close together in release. Then if so I guess it truly does not matter. Because FW will become a massive ISK sink, yet another play ground for the super rich to do what they want in, where as those who are dedicated to their factional alignment with suffer and not be able to engage in, which in being loyal makes it more their right to. Now with no ISK rewards means that either the LP rewards need to cover or be equivalent to quanitity or quality of suits and materials lost, which I sincerely hope is not the case. In this sense the rewards from LP will need to be superior and desirable to merc to get them to be a part of FW. In this case the same market in EVE should in theory develop in Dust allowing FW mercs to be self sufficient in FW and not reliant to Public matches to make their ISK.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3479	Posted - 2013.10.22 01:29:00 - [3] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: I still need to figure out which side to fight for up in space and down on the ground, curse my friends, they all like different races!!!! Amarr.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3482	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:19:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills. Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3482	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:25:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills. Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player. IN EVE I can play the markets, which I do, I can make money out of FW, which I am now. I just made 50 Million ISK selling a Navy Issue Omen. Far more profitable than simply fighting someone or mission running. If you want to discuss smart economic decision with me talk to my EVE side bank balance about that.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3483	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:31:00 - [6] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills. Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player. IN EVE I can play the markets, which I do, I can make money out of FW, which I am now. I just made 50 Million ISK selling a Navy Issue Omen. Far more profitable than simply fighting someone or mission running. All I'm saying is, I don't see why a mercenary would just continually run FW without considering ISK farming. Of course, all the detail about profit and how it will actually be implemented is under speculation. But I don't see why a merc would be upset when he has ways to farm money. You just have to take a break from a couple of FW matches and do some ISK farming. Just simple. If you want to drink water, you get up a get a cup of it instead of looking at an empty one. I'm not a mercenary, nor do I want to be one. I have chosen to be a loyalist. I have a war to win.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3487	Posted - 2013.10.22 02:58:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: The player earned 75 LP for the battle. The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation. Agreed, of course! However.... consider the value of the items if you have to work those matches to earn minimal rewards......Big ISKies for us FW players.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3490	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:07:00 - [8] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: That is a regular GEK in the picture. Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine Well Sad thing is I don't think the general community of this game is...well economically.... competent enough to handle a full economy. A lot of people will make a lot of money during player market implementation. For me that will be as a supplier of FoTM gear during the early days.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3496	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:10:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks? Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3496	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:14:00 - [10] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks? Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR. Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though... CQC is for suckers, and foot work is for chumps.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3496	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:20:00 - [11] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well. 1 mill says My Duvolle will beat your Imperial...[/quote] Take that best. Aero you down you before you know what hit you.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3496	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That is a regular GEK in the picture. Perhaps either/or ISK/LP for the GEK, but if it's 4 matches for 1 GEK that costs 17K then your definition of Big ISKies is different than mine Well Sad thing is I don't think the general community of this game is...well economically.... competent enough to handle a full economy. A lot of people will make a lot of money during player market implementation. For me that will be as a supplier of FoTM gear during the early days. I'll make money off of the player market too (selling stockpiles of officer weapons) but unless they shut down the NPC market store for a few weeks I don't see how fighting 4 battles for 1 rifle will lead to an influx of ISK. But I'm not going to get worked up before we get some more info on the rewards. EVE side Factionalised weapons and equipment goes for 4-5x the typical value of the standard equivalents. I'm hoping it works that way in Dust as well.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3498	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:37:00 - [13] - Quote Raskutor wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Michael Arck wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills. Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player. I think what he means is despite CCP using the term "mercenaries" in their marketing, we are not all mercenaries. True and I are loyalist to the Amarr cause, and it is our right to fight for Amarr. Without the player market, we need to resort to pubs to gain ISK which is time taken away from supporting Amarr. This exactly. I am not a mercenary. I loathe to be called a mercenary. To be called a mercenary implies that loyalties can be bought. Mine cannot. I fight for the Empire. To take a Public Contract means I am fighting for a cause that is not my Empire. Therefore, I do not wish to be a part of the Public Contracts. Luff you Rask
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3498	Posted - 2013.10.22 03:48:00 - [14] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I wouldn't bother talking with the Amarrian guys at certain points. They prove to go to the looney bin by jumping from RP posting to out of character posting. Almost all of the Amarr FW groups at this point are invested enough in what we do that we don't even fit the profile for mercs anymore. We don't sell ourselves to the highest bidder.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3500	Posted - 2013.10.22 04:23:00 - [15] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Zion Shad wrote: DUST Faction Warfare.... I THINK this LP new stuff should come with a SKILL RESPEC.I mean whats the point of having SP spent in weapons i will never be able to buy since i only play for Amarr (and seldomly Caldari) ? Respec's are coming back but it will be limited, optional and a cost attached to it What do you know!?!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3542	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:12:00 - [16] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zion Shad wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Zion Shad wrote: DUST Faction Warfare.... I THINK this LP new stuff should come with a SKILL RESPEC.I mean whats the point of having SP spent in weapons i will never be able to buy since i only play for Amarr (and seldomly Caldari) ? Respec's are coming back but it will be limited, optional and a cost attached to it What do you know!?! We spoke on them during the round table in Vegas and it's just what I said. So it could be something AUR Bought and limited to purchase once every 3 months or something... How it's done is still being looked at, but it's safe to say youll see them again Thank Goodness. I was getting to the point where I was almost done with Dust due to having to play another 3 months before I can get passable at a new role.