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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:14:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:True Adamance wrote:Zion Shad wrote:True Adamance wrote:[quote=Zion Shad]DUST Faction Warfare... It wont until we have a player market, its a terrible idea without one. Because FW will become a massive ISK sink, yet another play ground for the super rich to do what they want in, where as those who are dedicated to their factional alignment with suffer and not be able to engage in, which in being loyal makes it more their right to. Now with no ISK rewards means that either the LP rewards need to cover or be equivalent to quanitity or quality of suits and materials lost, which I sincerely hope is not the case. In this sense the rewards from LP will need to be superior and desirable to merc to get them to be a part of FW. In this case the same market in EVE should in theory develop in Dust allowing FW mercs to be self sufficient in FW and not reliant to Public matches to make their ISK. OK much better  Your right about an ISK Sink being formed by taking away ISK and replacing it with LP, but the forming of an ISK Sink in DUST 514 is not new news here and I for one will welcome it here as a trade to gain LP & Standings with the Faction of my choosing. Will not see eye to eye on this and that is expected until our hand are on it Also If balanced correctly it should not cause to much of a problem. Some of these Items will require less Skill Points then their equivalent on the current market and so will cost less in LP. There will also be Items that can only be found in the LP Store and 1 would think these Items would give you advantages though you may not have a large quantity of them EDIT: Still waiting to see the true changes to BPOs as well for this could play somewhat of a part in this ISK Sink the problem however is that you cannot buy anything from the loyalty store without ISK, as everything will cost ISK and LP, and you do not make any ISK in FW. Therefore, the players who are loyal to their faction and only want to fight for them won't be able to because they'll have to take time away from their faction to make ISK in other battles. This could easily be solved with a player market to sell our salvage and loyalty store-exclusive items for ISK.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:45:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Poor excuse to bring the player market when the mercenary should be intelligent enough to either run a day specifically tailored to ISK farming (pub matches) or relying on corporation taxes to help him foot some bills.
Heck I still do ISK farming days myself to keep the dollars running in. That's not the point. I do not want to run public contracts, it would be more profitable for me to play the markets. What do you mean its not the point? When you run out of money, you do things that helps you to gain money. That's the point. You being a tanker should at least help you understand that. You know you can't possibly run a tank every match and need to farm money when you don't. If its solely LP, then you can't possibly expect to run FW without considering doing ISK farming. This is what EVE/DUst is about, making educated decisions that reaps valuable rewards to the player.
I think what he means is despite CCP using the term "mercenaries" in their marketing, we are not all mercenaries. True and I are loyalist to the Amarr cause, and it is our right to fight for Amarr. Without the player market, we need to resort to pubs to gain ISK which is time taken away from supporting Amarr. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:48:00 -
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Also there is an awesome pick from the slide show demonstrating how gaining loyalty for one faction lowers loyalty for another, I love CCP's stick drawings.
Also True I tried to hit you up on Skype but you missed it, we had 5 guys from PIE online and if you were there we could of had our first full 6 man PIE squad. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:50:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense.
Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing?
Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:56:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:The player earned 75 LP for the battle.
The store shows 300 LP for a GEK plus 17,000 ISK
Why would I potentially fight in 4 battles for zero ISK to then pay 17K for a GEK? You'd need to earn thousands of LP per battle for that to make any kind of sense. Did he earn 75 LP or did you earn 75 points in standing? Also even if those are LP we have no clue what his standing is, he may of only gotten 75 points because he had level 1 standing. I hear you, not much clarity in those pics. But it would need to be exponentially better rewards for active participation.
Agreed, of course! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:09:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles
Search your soul, you know it to be true. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Dev hax and a Gallent female. 
In the presentation they actually said that before they decided to do Dust they were instead going to do an FPS single player game about a female Gallente bounty hunter. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:15:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Killar-12 wrote:
if you have the LP I'll give the ISK oh wait, I need Gal/Cal FW guys to trade with but what would Amarr get me that I might want? Uplinks?
Scrambler Rifles >>>> Assault Rifles Search your soul, you know it to be true. Even this sinner knows God would give him the thumbs up for buying our ScR. Sorry, I'm a CQC guy who usually handles the objectives in the city, I'll use AScPs though...
Thing is, once you get the hang of hip firing a scrambler rifle it can win upclose as well, though having the pistols help as well. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:58:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:True Adamance wrote:Zion Shad wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Zion Shad wrote:DUST Faction Warfare.... I THINK this LP new stuff should come with a SKILL RESPEC.I mean whats the point of having SP spent in weapons i will never be able to buy since i only play for Amarr (and seldomly Caldari) ? Respec's are coming back but it will be limited, optional and a cost attached to it What do you know!?! We spoke on them during the round table in Vegas and it's just what I said. So it could be something AUR Bought and limited to purchase once every 3 months or something... How it's done is still being looked at, but it's safe to say youll see them again
That sounds cool, but the first one should be free of charge because it's CCPs fault they had to go and change everything. After that, once per year for AUR sounds good. |
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