Another for the pile of I'm not kicking ass so something has to be nerfed.

Yeah,yeah,yeah all I see here is people think I'm stupid or whatever but I got killed by a mass driver that was around the corner.. the spammer never even got to see me vise versa.. I'm fine with kicking ass but some of this stuff is being abused and I'm sick of it. And to make things even better they can be spammed from a pretty decent range (longest meters for me was 120m)

I wished the assault one had slightly widers blast area for lower damage would make it better for anti-equipment.

Better solution, don't hide in the corner when someone is shooting slow moving grenades at you. You got your mass driven and now you're crying on the forums. Lemme guess, you use an AR too don't you?

People are using them to spam objectives so the enemies can't hack it. Good crowd control weapon, gets the people moving and lets your team pick off anyone who scatters.

I just skilled into it the other night. Run it with a STD Flaylock Pistol, STD Remote Explosives. I'm a running bomb. Plus 2 enh. cardiac regulators. I'll get them proto soon.

I believe mass drivers should have their blast radius lowered, RoF lowered and not be able to refill near nanohives.. Might say That makes them suck blah blah blah but I'm sick of them spamming an objective. Especially when Logistics with a MD with nanohive is unbearable.

Gets people moving or you mow them down and then let your people hack while you spam to get orbital.. People aren't thinking how this will effect a new player's thought on this game.. You are all looking out for your best interest while trying to find an easy way to play the game there are very few MD users I can respect..

I believe mass drivers should have their blast radius lowered, RoF lowered and not be able to refill near nanohives.. Might say That makes them suck blah blah blah but I'm sick of them spamming an objective. Especially when Logistics with a MD with nanohive is unbearable.

On an unrelated note, we should all be relegated to spoon warfare.

EDIT: should I start being nicer?

Yeah i gave him a +1, what of it?

Yeah stick up for mass drivers lemme guess you spam MD don't you?

Another rage thread go home.

Hello Kira! Been around these parts for a while and the MD has gone through many tweaks, it was powerful, nerfed, and now usable again. It sucks to get killed by them, but they are pretty good where they are in my humble opinion. Consider attacking a mass driver user from a different angle. They are easier to evade if you have the height advantage, or can sneak up on them.

Hope this helps and have a great day!

I don't like the MD and I know this thread will be ignored so I support this nerrf, somebody get that man a hotdog! Lol

You don't know how I play which you,you assume.. just like I did you and it seems you prove me wrong but how do I know you play like that? And if we are on equal ground and you can hit around the corner that is a bit OP if you ask me. And AR's range also needs to be fixed well almost every weapon needs to be fixed in a sense.. And congrats you are praising people who spam and "gets things done" xD You make me laugh.

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I try but the thing is there are good MD users out there but those who spammers I have a gripe with just like Snipers/Forges/lazers/scramblers (Even though I tested out all the weapons) xD

Yeah,yeah,yeah all I see here is people think I'm stupid or whatever but I got killed by a mass driver that was around the corner.. the spammer never even got to see me vise versa.. I'm fine with kicking ass but some of this stuff is being abused and I'm sick of it. And to make things even better they can be spammed from a pretty decent range (longest meters for me was 120m)

That figures you're protecting your love well I guess you never ran into a MD yourself.. Either you get blown up or run and still get blown up and it doesn't terrorize me just a broken weapon like most weapons on this game. If you love the MD so much how about I put the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger? That would make my day even better :D

That figures you're protecting your love well I guess you never ran into a MD yourself.. Either you get blown up or run and still get blown up and it doesn't terrorize me just a broken weapon like most weapons on this game. If you love the MD so much how about I put the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger? That would make my day even better :D

Suck it *****. That was all skill too. I'm boss with the MD...

LOL, no. That was me screwing around, then choosing to snipe one person, then went back to AFKing with my MD.

TBH, the MD is in a great place right now. I don't use the MD as much as I used to, since I'm playing a lot with the GK burst AR in preparation for the Combat Rifle's release. But I still revert to using it in challenging games, and in matches were the enemies aren't respecting proper formation. When you get redberries bunching up behind cover, I take my death with dignity and bring out the EXO to exact punishment and remind them of proper flanking and fall-back maneuvers.

In the end though, I'll continue to adapt my MD gameplay to whatever changes the Devs bring down on us, while the rest of you continue to scurry around as usual and whine when you die.

Hope to see you on the battlefield,

o7

I used to run into wannabe massholes all the time. They run around with their EXO-5 like it's a damn shotgun, trying to jump over their own blast radius. I usually sit back and take them out with a few direct hits from +40m. It doesn't terrorize me because I use it and understand it- something you might want to try before coming on the forums whining. I have Prof 5 and guess what? I get more kills with a militia AR because it's situational, not a good 1v1 weapon, shoots delayed rounds, and has the worst ammo management, only rivaled by the plasma cannon.

As long as you aren't spamming or a protobear I am fine with you and hope to see you on the battlefield. :D

Wow... That's just uncalled for.

You are showing your inner "masshole" I guess I appreciate the explanation but tell me how you deal with them in CCC? I don't cry about this kind of stuff I'm just sharing my experiences with these weapons and why I believed they should nerfed I can do down the lists with the other weapons if you want me to. :) And if you want to bring a militia AR into this I believe I got 33 kill and 3 deaths with one.. they aren't good but they aren't bad..

Wow... That's just uncalled for.

You are showing your inner "masshole" I guess I appreciate the explanation but tell me how you deal with them in CCC? I don't cry about this kind of stuff I'm just sharing my experiences with these weapons and why I believed they should nerfed I can do down the lists with the other weapons if you want me to. :) And if you want to bring a militia AR into this I believe I got 33 kill and 3 deaths with one.. they aren't good but they aren't bad..

I'll tell you how I die the most in CCC as a masshole. Shotty in the back. As an armor tanker, I do my best to avoid CCC because if I get squeezed, I usually kill myself. The shield-tanking bunny hop doesn't save me. Face to face, I own shotty scouts with a MD. But I leave that engagement wounded, usually deep into armor.

The great thing about facing other MD users, is the sound. You can hear where they are. And depending on the situation, you can out maneuver them. Generally, if I land the first shell, I win the duel.

I guess you don't read my other posts... Most weapons need to be fixed... Either way AR's have a fast RoF and more ammo per clip.. If you want to do it damage wise.. It takes an AR about 20 or so bullets if accurate enough to kill a militia and sometimes adv about 30-40 to kill a proto depending on what do you want it's an AR.. MD is like a grenade launcher which can kill in 1-3 shoots if accurate.. AR's range needs to be nerfed but guess what MD range damage is the same no matter what it seems to me.. Each gun has it's ups and downs.

His tears are delicious. I wish I knew the masshole that got him worked up, I'd want to shake his hand.

I think I've branded myself the patron saint of the AR.

The AR doesn't need to be nerfed. Your combat tactics needs to be buffed. This is the only game I've heard people complain about the range of AR when they get killed from the same distance in other FPS titles but don't say jack ****.

Interesting, indeed.

I believe mass drivers should have their blast radius lowered, RoF lowered and not be able to refill near nanohives.. Might say That makes them suck blah blah blah but I'm sick of them spamming an objective. Especially when Logistics with a MD with nanohive is unbearable.

Don't forget the big ass red spotlight that travels across the map since the 1.4 patch. People see me from a mile away and try to flank since they see my logi suit. (That's when I detonate the REs I laid near the ladder)

You act like you got me upset or something while you claim you got tears I hope it's poison to get rid of ya :D

I wasn't the one that made a "I just got my mass driven and instead of learning from my experience, I'd rather cry on the forums" topic.

I've learned a lot actually but not from you masshole :D Thanks for nothing you are useless like your gun

You know, I've blocked your posts, but I just had to read what you posted in this thread. You didn't disappoint...

So you are complaining that the area-denial and breaching, area of effect weapon was doing its job?
Very few weapons outdo the AR in their own niche, the MD is one, it doesn't need a nerf!

Also you didn't get hit by an MD at 120m, the slug doesn't travel that far, bit goes about 90 tops, not to mention its only scoped for 40m, and takes nearly 3 secs to travel that distance!

What suit were you using, was shield or armour tanked?

How about we increase the blast radius and make them like a real grenade launcher and fire a single shot before reload instead of the magical fantasy gatling gun style weapon they are now?

How about we increase the blast radius and make them like a real grenade launcher and fire a single shot before reload instead of the magical fantasy gatling gun style weapon they are now?

I wish I still had the picture of the death... And I was armor but at the same time all I hear from you guys are it's doing it's job and that is fine.. a sniper is an area denial weapon and HMG is a breaching weapon.. snipers are easy to dodge if you know where they are coming from. HMG normally get spammed or duvolle. To me MD don't have any real weaknesses.. except for CCC but most are in hard to reach places.

How about we increase the blast radius and make them like a real grenade launcher and fire a single shot before reload instead of the magical fantasy gatling gun style weapon they are now?

So you are complaining that the area-denial and breaching, area of effect weapon was doing its job?
Very few weapons outdo the AR in their own niche, the MD is one, it doesn't need a nerf!

Also you didn't get hit by an MD at 120m, the slug doesn't travel that far, bit goes about 90 tops, not to mention its only scoped for 40m, and takes nearly 3 secs to travel that distance!

What suit were you using, was shield or armour tanked?

As a MD user myself i have to disagree that they have no real weaknesses. They have quite a few, some of which will kill you.

Ammo is perhaps the most annoying. It generally takes a nano hive to bring our ammo capacity up to what a stock AR has (without a nanohive).

Terrain can also be a disadvantage. If we have the high ground we will have better accuracy, usually dominating the area. Being below our target however is a completely different story. Its insanely hard to land an uphill shot with a MD, requiring you to land a direct hit. With travel time thats uncommon unless people stand still. If you shoot low you can also clip the terrain early hitting yourself.

As i watch what people do when faced with a mass driver, the biggest thing i see that surprises me is they ignore it. I can make it very clear i am denying a specific area, or hallway or what have you, and they will keep trying to push through it.

So if you're having trouble with MD's play smart. Take the high ground, fight on your terms. The worst thing you can do is not pull back.

I hate pulling back and MD is the only thing I do pull back from. It's hard when they are teamed with Forges which shoot dropships down that get too close. I'm not wasting 60k+ isk to kill one guy I normally am sneaky and get behind enemy lines but either a sniper or a masshole finds me and it doesn't end well.

Yeah stick up for mass drivers lemme guess you spam MD don't you?

Yeah, I actually do spam the MD, especially at the objectives, while my teammates with the assault rifles move in for the kills. It's called an area-denial weapon for a reason, and it also weakens idiotic red dots who are dumb enough to remain within an area being MD'd, enough so the AR folks can usually put 'em in the ground 6 feet under shortly thereafter.

Explosives, rapid fire explosives doubly so are pure area denial weapons. If someone is using one to deny you that zone, do not push through, sneak around behind, change positions, get the high ground. Mass drivers have huge drawbacks compared to more standard weapons. Taking advantage of these is key to beating them. Hell I had one guy sneak up behind me with an MD. I managed to dodge the first shot because I heard him fire it from behind (7.1 surround sound headset) and then zig zag at him with my smg. Once I was in his face it was over for him.

And if there is no behind them and it is the only objective let them win?

I believe mass drivers should have their blast radius lowered, RoF lowered and not be able to refill near nanohives.. Might say That makes them suck blah blah blah but I'm sick of them spamming an objective. Especially when Logistics with a MD with nanohive is unbearable.

I wish I still had the picture of the death... And I was armor but at the same time all I hear from you guys are it's doing it's job and that is fine.. a sniper is an area denial weapon and HMG is a breaching weapon.. snipers are easy to dodge if you know where they are coming from. HMG normally get spammed or duvolle. To me MD don't have any real weaknesses.. except for CCC but most are in hard to reach places.

I disagree on not being able to refill ammo, MD chugs ammo like a MF. Somewhat agree on blast radius reduction, MD needs to be a bit less forgiving for missing by a mile.

MD = 242 DPS direct damage and 116 splash, AR = 425 DPS. Which weapon needs to be nerfed again?

I used to run into wannabe massholes all the time. They run around with their EXO-5 like it's a damn shotgun, trying to jump over their own blast radius. I usually sit back and take them out with a few direct hits from +40m. It doesn't terrorize me because I use it and understand it- something you might want to try before coming on the forums whining. I have Prof 5 and guess what? I get more kills with a militia AR because it's situational, not a good 1v1 weapon, shoots delayed rounds, and has the worst ammo management, only rivaled by the plasma cannon.

This bolded bit is not necessarily true. My longest MD kill is 108m, and during my brief AFK-in-Skirmish stunt, I would shoot up at my own MCC, trying to get shells into the bay. The HUD stated a range of 150m, and the shells would explode at the bottom of the scale on the open door of the MCC.

I believe the shell is capable of traveling around 150m, though kills at that range are mostly luck, and are probably taking advantage of kill-stealing.

Shooting from the table-top, I've tried shooting shells out as far as I can, and they do disappear after an unknown distance. I don't know if that is due to being un-rendered, or if the game just deletes them after traveling a set amount of meters without exploding.