You know, I've blocked your posts, but I just had to read what you posted in this thread. You didn't disappoint...

So you are complaining that the area-denial and breaching, area of effect weapon was doing its job?
Very few weapons outdo the AR in their own niche, the MD is one, it doesn't need a nerf!

Also you didn't get hit by an MD at 120m, the slug doesn't travel that far, bit goes about 90 tops, not to mention its only scoped for 40m, and takes nearly 3 secs to travel that distance!

What suit were you using, was shield or armour tanked?

How about we increase the blast radius and make them like a real grenade launcher and fire a single shot before reload instead of the magical fantasy gatling gun style weapon they are now?

How about we increase the blast radius and make them like a real grenade launcher and fire a single shot before reload instead of the magical fantasy gatling gun style weapon they are now?

I wish I still had the picture of the death... And I was armor but at the same time all I hear from you guys are it's doing it's job and that is fine.. a sniper is an area denial weapon and HMG is a breaching weapon.. snipers are easy to dodge if you know where they are coming from. HMG normally get spammed or duvolle. To me MD don't have any real weaknesses.. except for CCC but most are in hard to reach places.

How about we increase the blast radius and make them like a real grenade launcher and fire a single shot before reload instead of the magical fantasy gatling gun style weapon they are now?

So you are complaining that the area-denial and breaching, area of effect weapon was doing its job?
Very few weapons outdo the AR in their own niche, the MD is one, it doesn't need a nerf!

Also you didn't get hit by an MD at 120m, the slug doesn't travel that far, bit goes about 90 tops, not to mention its only scoped for 40m, and takes nearly 3 secs to travel that distance!

What suit were you using, was shield or armour tanked?

As a MD user myself i have to disagree that they have no real weaknesses. They have quite a few, some of which will kill you.

Ammo is perhaps the most annoying. It generally takes a nano hive to bring our ammo capacity up to what a stock AR has (without a nanohive).

Terrain can also be a disadvantage. If we have the high ground we will have better accuracy, usually dominating the area. Being below our target however is a completely different story. Its insanely hard to land an uphill shot with a MD, requiring you to land a direct hit. With travel time thats uncommon unless people stand still. If you shoot low you can also clip the terrain early hitting yourself.

As i watch what people do when faced with a mass driver, the biggest thing i see that surprises me is they ignore it. I can make it very clear i am denying a specific area, or hallway or what have you, and they will keep trying to push through it.

So if you're having trouble with MD's play smart. Take the high ground, fight on your terms. The worst thing you can do is not pull back.

I hate pulling back and MD is the only thing I do pull back from. It's hard when they are teamed with Forges which shoot dropships down that get too close. I'm not wasting 60k+ isk to kill one guy I normally am sneaky and get behind enemy lines but either a sniper or a masshole finds me and it doesn't end well.

Yeah stick up for mass drivers lemme guess you spam MD don't you?

Yeah, I actually do spam the MD, especially at the objectives, while my teammates with the assault rifles move in for the kills. It's called an area-denial weapon for a reason, and it also weakens idiotic red dots who are dumb enough to remain within an area being MD'd, enough so the AR folks can usually put 'em in the ground 6 feet under shortly thereafter.

Explosives, rapid fire explosives doubly so are pure area denial weapons. If someone is using one to deny you that zone, do not push through, sneak around behind, change positions, get the high ground. Mass drivers have huge drawbacks compared to more standard weapons. Taking advantage of these is key to beating them. Hell I had one guy sneak up behind me with an MD. I managed to dodge the first shot because I heard him fire it from behind (7.1 surround sound headset) and then zig zag at him with my smg. Once I was in his face it was over for him.

And if there is no behind them and it is the only objective let them win?

I believe mass drivers should have their blast radius lowered, RoF lowered and not be able to refill near nanohives.. Might say That makes them suck blah blah blah but I'm sick of them spamming an objective. Especially when Logistics with a MD with nanohive is unbearable.

I wish I still had the picture of the death... And I was armor but at the same time all I hear from you guys are it's doing it's job and that is fine.. a sniper is an area denial weapon and HMG is a breaching weapon.. snipers are easy to dodge if you know where they are coming from. HMG normally get spammed or duvolle. To me MD don't have any real weaknesses.. except for CCC but most are in hard to reach places.

I disagree on not being able to refill ammo, MD chugs ammo like a MF. Somewhat agree on blast radius reduction, MD needs to be a bit less forgiving for missing by a mile.

MD = 242 DPS direct damage and 116 splash, AR = 425 DPS. Which weapon needs to be nerfed again?

I used to run into wannabe massholes all the time. They run around with their EXO-5 like it's a damn shotgun, trying to jump over their own blast radius. I usually sit back and take them out with a few direct hits from +40m. It doesn't terrorize me because I use it and understand it- something you might want to try before coming on the forums whining. I have Prof 5 and guess what? I get more kills with a militia AR because it's situational, not a good 1v1 weapon, shoots delayed rounds, and has the worst ammo management, only rivaled by the plasma cannon.

This bolded bit is not necessarily true. My longest MD kill is 108m, and during my brief AFK-in-Skirmish stunt, I would shoot up at my own MCC, trying to get shells into the bay. The HUD stated a range of 150m, and the shells would explode at the bottom of the scale on the open door of the MCC.

I believe the shell is capable of traveling around 150m, though kills at that range are mostly luck, and are probably taking advantage of kill-stealing.

Shooting from the table-top, I've tried shooting shells out as far as I can, and they do disappear after an unknown distance. I don't know if that is due to being un-rendered, or if the game just deletes them after traveling a set amount of meters without exploding.