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CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 133679	Posted - 2013.10.18 17:28:00 - [1] - Quote If you have not done so, please read the introduction post here. Standings Standings, simply put, are your relationship to a specific corporation. The general idea is that as you gain standings to each side of factional contracts your rewards for that side go up as well. This gives you incentive to gain higher standings and to keep it high. We are not ready to give out exact numbers yet, but at each level of standings (1 through 10) the amount of loyalty points paid out at the end of a match would change. The higher the standings, the higher the reward. Gaining and Losing Standings You gain standings when you win a factional contract match. At the same time however you lose some standings to the opposing side. So if you win a battle for the Gallente you will gain standings with the Federal Marines and lose standings towards the State Peacekeepers. If you play a match from beginning to end and win you will gain 50 points of standings toward the side you won for and you will lose 10 points of standing for the side you fought against. If you lose the match you do not gain or lose any standings period. Fancy graph: Faction Boosters Boosting Standings We will be adding 4 new boosters to the game that you can buy for Aurum from the market. The prices for these new faction boosters has not yet been decided. These boosters will do several things. Firstly, they will increase your standings reward by 50% for the appropriate faction. So if you buy the Gallente booster and play for Gallente in factional contracts and you would have gotten 50 standing points you would instead get 75 with the Gallente booster. Secondly, they will prevent you from losing standings to the selected side by fighting for the other side. So if you play for the Caldari side and have a Gallente booster you will not lose standings to the Gallente as you normally would. Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 914	Posted - 2013.10.18 17:58:00 - [2] - Quote How will you encourage players to fight for the faction that has the least amount of districts? How about some big LP Bonuses to switch sides? I am having a big negative thought to the 4 different boosters to the market. Why not make it just one booster and keep it simple? It seems you are encourage players to pick one side and stick with it but is that in the best interested for keeping wars going? players switching sides for the best rewards? Like PS2 for constant ongoing battle where if one side is losing, they are going to reward you better to come in and help them.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws 1374	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:00:00 - [3] - Quote To make this clear, you will continue to lose standings as normal if you use a booster and continue to team kill, correct? I worry there will be an issue of people "paying to grief" depending the price of these boosters. If they're cheap then it'll be annoying if people just buy a booster for a side just to TK without getting removed.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 522	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:00:00 - [4] - Quote I disagree with the booster preventing standings loss. but the rest of it looks decent
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2795	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: To make this clear, you will continue to lose standings as normal if you use a booster and continue to team kill, correct? I worry there will be an issue of people "paying to grief" depending the price of these boosters. If they're cheap then it'll be annoying if people just buy a booster for a side just to TK without getting removed. That would indeed be disturbing... Like paying real money for a "license to kill".
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2076	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:07:00 - [6] - Quote In the introductory post, it stated if you lose enough standings with a faction you would no longer be able to join in the battle on that facion's side. How would a mercenary locked out of factional warfare regain standings with that corporation if they are unable to fight for them in the factional warfare battle?
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2076	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:08:00 - [7] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: I disagree with the booster preventing standings loss. but the rest of it looks decent Maybe reduce standing loss by 50% as well? Instead of losing 10 points, you lose 5?
Sanguine 27 ZionTCD 14	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:08:00 - [8] - Quote I think you should still earn and lose standings points whether you win or lose a fight. Too much grinding otherwise
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 2076	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:09:00 - [9] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: To make this clear, you will continue to lose standings as normal if you use a booster and continue to team kill, correct? I worry there will be an issue of people "paying to grief" depending the price of these boosters. If they're cheap then it'll be annoying if people just buy a booster for a side just to TK without getting removed. Perhaps he is only referring to the points awarded at the end of the match, and not for activity that happens during the match?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1738	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:11:00 - [10] - Quote If you lose, how are standings effected? If you happen to fight for a faction during a public contract that has standings toward you can you get standings from winning those matches?


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 2909	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:13:00 - [11] - Quote Sanguine 27 wrote: I think you should still earn and lose standings points whether you win or lose a fight. Too much grinding otherwise You do still gain loyalty points if you lose a match, so long as you remain in the match until it completes. You only don't receive a standings boost if you lose a match. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 522	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:17:00 - [12] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: I disagree with the booster preventing standings loss. but the rest of it looks decent Maybe reduce standing loss by 50% as well? Instead of losing 10 points, you lose 5? Put yourself into the mind of the leader of a factions militia. You have an implant that tracks Bunnies on the field and grant them bonuses for fighting for you. Why in the heck would you reward mercs with your implant for fighting against you by not knocking their standing. Personally I think it should be a trade off. If you have a gal/minmatar implant and fight for them you get a boost, but if you fight against them you get a larger negative. instead of 10 you lose 15 or 20 for fighting against the faction you have an implant for.
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 177	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:20:00 - [13] - Quote Sanguine 27 wrote: I think you should still earn and lose standings points whether you win or lose a fight. Too much grinding otherwise I generally agree, particularly given how little effect you individually have on the outcome of a battle, but I like the incentive to win. So, I'd prefer a much-reduced standings gain for an FW loss...somewhere in the 10-20 range. Scrubs need love too.
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 3741	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:25:00 - [14] - Quote approved
Magnus Amadeuss DUST University Ivy League 93	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:25:00 - [15] - Quote I agree with the lesser faction gains/loss even when you lose and here is my reasoning. If you were to join lets say the gallente FW side, then continuously suicide yourself, you would loose no standings to caldari but in effect be helping them win with no consequence.
Sanguine 27 ZionTCD 14	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:32:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Sanguine 27 wrote: I think you should still earn and lose standings points whether you win or lose a fight. Too much grinding otherwise You do still gain loyalty points if you lose a match, so long as you remain in the match until it completes. You only don't receive a standings boost if you lose a match. I must have been editing my post for mixing Loyalty with Standing points as you were replying. Now my post makes more sense, hopefully :)
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1070	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:33:00 - [17] - Quote Brush Master wrote: How will you encourage players to fight for the faction that has the least amount of districts? How about some big LP Bonuses to switch sides? I am having a big negative thought to the 4 different boosters to the market. Why not make it just one booster and keep it simple? It seems you are encourage players to pick one side and stick with it but is that in the best interested for keeping wars going? players switching sides for the best rewards? Like PS2 for constant ongoing battle where if one side is losing, they are going to reward you better to come in and help them. I agree. Also we are mercenaries. While many of us, especially those in Corps which have connection to Eve-FW-Corps, took sides, many blueberries just don't. They fight for the highest bidder. They are mercs after all. A normal booster would encourage that. So in the end you should have the corps who fight for their side, no matter that. But you would also have mercenaries who just fight for their own good.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 524	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:33:00 - [18] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I agree with the lesser faction gains/loss even when you lose and here is my reasoning. If you were to join lets say the gallente FW side, then continuously suicide yourself, you would loose no standings to caldari but in effect be helping them win with no consequence. I agree, Sand Bagging should not be encouraged. Between the Implant and no standings effect for losing, this is a sand baggers dream
Magnus Amadeuss DUST University Ivy League 93	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:33:00 - [19] - Quote Also will these standings have secondary effects? In eve, gainign faction standings with the amarr also benefits the caldari standings, while hurting bith minmatar and gallente standings. Will this also be the case in dust?
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 502	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:35:00 - [20] - Quote I think the boosters are probably a good idea, as it incentivizes playing for one faction as well as removing a penalty if you decide to fight for the others to gain standings, etc. With respect to the boosters, will it be possible to have all 4 active at once? If not, how will you handle if someone has, say, a Caldari booster implanted and then wants to use a Gallente booster? Also, have you guys ever considered adding in a booster that works on a per-fight basis? Then, I can buy a booster that's good for 10, 15, 20, etc. matches, and I don't necessarily have to worry if real life comes up and I'll lose my 1-day, 3-day, etc. booster.

Drix Friggson DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:37:00 - [21] - Quote Looks awesome here Side thought / Potential idea Team killing a higher level player in a faction hits harder than it would an irregular player. i.e. Player 1 is a level 8 with the Gallente playing Faction Warfare Exclusively and Player 2 just trying out faction warfare is a level 1 with the Gallente. Player 3 comes along killing Player 2 and receives a minor hit for team killing them. Player 3 sees player 1 and kills him next. Player 3 receives a slightly harder hit to their factional standing. Not enough to really make a difference, but at least the difference is there. Also it would allow people actually fighting on the behalf of the their faction as the awoxer is probably not a very high level in the faction they are team killing Edit, just realized this might be more geared toward the Team Killing thread, but as it mostly related to standing I jumped on it here.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 787	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:45:00 - [22] - Quote How will we gain standings if we fight for 2 neutral factions? For example: i play for minmatar and i fight against amarr, so i will gain standings for minmatar, but if i play with gallente what happens? Do i loose standings with minmatar? For what i understand we can choose 2 sides.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 448	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:51:00 - [23] - Quote It seems like if you play the field you could still keep your standing relatively high across all Factions. That is a good feature and maintains the Mercenary based aspect of the game. The boosters are a great idea too. Both from a Meta game perspective and a marketing tool. Players who choose to can 'support' their favorite faction by purchasing the appropriate booster but does not force them to pick a side in any permanent way.. Also creates a good source of income to help support development provided the cost is reasonable. Obviously, you have provided a limited amount of information and I hope we will be clued into any enhancements to this rough sketch as they are fleshed out. My only major concern at this point is Faction balance contingencies. The limited number of Faction Warfare centric events we have had so far show that the four Factions are never equally represented. I hope the incentives will work to create more balance across the major powers.
Earl Crushinator Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 161	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:59:00 - [24] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Also, have you guys ever considered adding in a booster that works on a per-fight basis? Then, I can buy a booster that's good for 10, 15, 20, etc. matches, and I don't necessarily have to worry if real life comes up and I'll lose my 1-day, 3-day, etc. booster. Ah, I would really like something like this. Even just a single one of these one would be sufficient - you could just buy more as needed, no real need for variations. While the standing loss is fairly minor for the opposing side, I don't think the boosters should negate this effect. Currently, you'd only have to play 1 match for every 5 on the otherside, to keep them happy. With a booster it's even less. Seems fine to me.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 227	Posted - 2013.10.18 19:19:00 - [25] - Quote Posted this in general thread but think it goes here as well. Could also use a militia chat channels once we reach a specific reward level so we can coordinate or notify EVE pilots of needed OB support.
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2013.10.18 19:19:00 - [26] - Quote What about recycling alts for griefing purposes?
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 222	Posted - 2013.10.18 19:58:00 - [27] - Quote Overall, I like it. I question some of the mechanics of the boosters. I don't like the idea of boosters neutralizing standings loss while adding 50% to standings gain. If they instead boost standings gain and leave standings loss alone, you'll still be able to gain standings with all four factions a lot quicker than you would if you had no boosters. For instance: I fight 50 matches for Caldari. My standings points are (boosted in parentheses): C: 2500 (3750) G: -500 (-500) A: 0 (0) T--I mean M: 0 (0) Then I fight 50 matches for Gallente. Now my standings points are: C: 2000 (3250) G: 2000 (3250) A: 0 (0) M: 0 (0) So in total I get a 62.5% boost to my combined standings. Over the same 100 fights, the booster mechanism in the OP would give me an 87.5% boost to combined standings. In other words, the default standings booster would be almost as effective as a hypothetical "Omega" version should be. Vespasian Andendare wrote: Also, have you guys ever considered adding in a booster that works on a per-fight basis? Then, I can buy a booster that's good for 10, 15, 20, etc. matches, and I don't necessarily have to worry if real life comes up and I'll lose my 1-day, 3-day, etc. booster. This isn't a bad idea--it makes winning each match even more critical, since your booster will count down whether you win or lose. One more thing: will there be any type of standings decay if I don't fight for a faction for a long time? Should there be?
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1600	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:25:00 - [28] - Quote can we please please earn ranks like we do in EvE its a nice little thing to encourage people to stick around
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 336	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:54:00 - [29] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: ... Also, have you guys ever considered adding in a booster that works on a per-fight basis? Then, I can buy a booster that's good for 10, 15, 20, etc. matches, and I don't necessarily have to worry if real life comes up and I'll lose my 1-day, 3-day, etc. booster. This is an excellent idea. I hope it gets passed along to the Arum products folks.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1499	Posted - 2013.10.18 20:56:00 - [30] - Quote I think to solve the "I'm a mercenary,I fight for the highest bidder" thing, standings should be affected based on your 'loyalty'. So maybe for the first 3 standings levels, you lose the same amount of standing with the faction you're opposed to as you gain, and LP rewards do not increase. Essentially this allows for those who wish to jump around for rewards they want not the rewards their faction gives, they can without ending up being forced to stick to one faction because their standing and rewards are so high it's pointless and a waste to grind in the opposing side. But for those whose hearts are set on a faction, after progressing beyond level 3 standings LP rewards start getting much better. To complement this, their should be events for certain factions where LP cost for items go down, perhaps when the relevant corporation really needs a push in their FW. Casual, non-aligned mercs can freely switch to that faction to fight for the cheaper rewards, without being worried about screwing up their standings with the opposing faction too much. Hell, it could even be linked to EVE in that there's a way for EVE players to pay ISK to lower the LP reward cost of a certain faction to encourage mercs to fight for that faction.



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