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Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 229	Posted - 2013.10.18 04:20:00 - [1] - Quote Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 402	Posted - 2013.10.18 04:21:00 - [2] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. With an AR. But the Amarr Assault is only good with the Scrambler Rifle or LAser Rifle.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 408	Posted - 2013.10.18 04:33:00 - [3] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: You might as well be a heavy, but with equipment slots. Lots of equipment slots. Heck, lots of slots in general.
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 166	Posted - 2013.10.18 04:44:00 - [4] - Quote I agree. The logi gains slots and fitting but loses a little hp, speed and stamina. The logi's bonus is also much more useful. It gets a free complex rep (who doesn't fit a rep?) instead of an enhanced shield recharger (does any hybrid tanker choose to fit one of these?). Obviously with laser weaponry the assault manages to scrape ahead with usefulness but in general the logi is better. The fact that the logi is better than the assault and supposedly balanced with the other logis is indicative of the fact that the logis are better than the assaults.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3317	Posted - 2013.10.18 04:47:00 - [5] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. Slots aren't equal to the heat sink the Amarr Assault suit has. I would go Amarr Assault over Logi any day of the week, except if I'm piloting my tank.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 787	Posted - 2013.10.18 05:44:00 - [6] - Quote I have proto of both, the speed, shield recharge and stamina make the assault better at assault, logi is more for slow defensive play and great for heavy healing. I have a fit with 801 armour and 214 shields with just an SMG with hives, injector and rep tool.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6616	Posted - 2013.10.18 05:54:00 - [7] - Quote Someone is SERIOUSLY underestimating the value of the laser weapon bonus, its extremely useful if you use scrambler rifle or laser rifle. It doesn't gain 3 more equipment slots than the assault, it only gains 2 (2+1 = 3). I noticed you mentioned the maximum bonus for the logi (5hp/s repair), but only mention the per level bonuses for the assault instead of also mentioning the number for maxed out to downplay it. Maxed out its 25% shield recharge rate, and its 25% laser weapon heat buildup reduction. The difference in shields is actually 60 (120 shields for logi, 180 shields for assault); almost a full shield extender. Also keep in mind shields don't decrease your base speed, and automatically regenerate at a high rate than any armor repair module. The logi is also much slower, and has less stamina than the assault.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 787	Posted - 2013.10.18 05:57:00 - [8] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Someone is SERIOUSLY underestimating the value of the laser weapon bonus, its extremely useful if you use scrambler rifle or laser rifle. It doesn't gain 3 more equipment slots than the assault, it only gains 2 (2+1 = 3). I noticed you mentioned the maximum bonus for the logi (5hp/s repair), but only mention the per level bonuses for the assault instead of also mentioning the number for maxed out to downplay it. Maxed out its 25% shield recharge rate, and its 25% laser weapon heat buildup reduction. The difference in shields is actually 60 (120 shields for logi, 180 shields for assault); almost a full shield extender. Also keep in mind shields don't decrease your base speed, and automatically regenerate at a high rate than any armor repair module. The logi is also much slower, and has less stamina than the assault. Well put, people think more overall HP is what makes something better at assault which is not the case at all.
8213 Grade No.2 422	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:13:00 - [9] - Quote You forgot a MAJOR component. Amarr Assault makes the SCR better to use. The SCR is the best weapon in game right now. So, what you lack in everything else, you make up in extreme lethality. The SCR is not a toy. Anything that adds to its betterment of use is something worth getting for yourself.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 232	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:17:00 - [10] - Quote 8213 wrote: You forgot a MAJOR component. Amarr Assault makes the SCR better to use. The SCR is the best weapon in game right now. So, what you lack in everything else, you make up in extreme lethality. The SCR is not a toy. Anything that adds to its betterment of use is something worth getting for yourself. Weapon popularity= weapon efficency. If it would be the best weapon then i would see every 1 running around with it. Its still a rare sight and if i see it then usually scrubs with modded controllers are using it as a replacement for the TAC AR. I know it cause i see plenty of scrubs insta overheat with it.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 701	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:31:00 - [11] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. If the Assault did not have the assault bonus going for it for Scramblers, the logi purely seen from statistics level would/is superiour in all regards. This is the case for all Logi suits.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1846	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:55:00 - [12] - Quote yeah um dude the logi suits are stronger at every role everyone already knows this.
Derek Barnes 0uter.Heaven 432	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:42:00 - [13] - Quote I run Proto Amarr logi with Imperial Scrambler and Core Flaylock
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 787	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:56:00 - [14] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. If the Assault did not have the assault bonus going for it for Scramblers, the logi purely seen from statistics level would/is superiour in all regards. This is the case for all Logi suits. In terms of more armour HP the logi is better but its not better at assaulting, I have proto of both.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 790	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:00:00 - [15] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. With an AR. But the Amarr Assault is only good with the Scrambler Rifle or Laser Rifle. And the Amarr Logi which I have fills all the rolws in the game for me except pilot. Anti-Vehicle: Swarm Launcher, AV Nades, Proxy mines, remote explosives nanohive. Assault: Imperial Scrambler Rifle and blah blah blah armor tank and put damage mods. And the rest are self explanatory. It can even scout. The drawback: less speed. You might as well be a heavy, but with equipment slots. A logi is supposed to fill different roles, the extra shield, shield regent, speed and stamina make the assault better at assault, the logi just has equipment and more armour but is slow, way less shield Regan and stamina making it impossible to be better at assault than the assault, but excel at assault better than other Logis because of its side arm.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 702	Posted - 2013.10.18 09:40:00 - [16] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. If the Assault did not have the assault bonus going for it for Scramblers, the logi purely seen from statistics level would/is superiour in all regards. This is the case for all Logi suits. In terms of more armour HP the logi is better but its not better at assaulting, I have proto of both. Ow wow you got Both eh ? I got proto Amarr Assault, Proto caldari Logi and Proto Amarr Logi (all needed modules at proto too and core skills at 5) and i keep building Logi suits to see hmm how much better then my assault can i make these....but i run Amarr Assault on the field because i dont want to run a crutch, but do believe me when i say it aint tempting to run a logi Btw i can make an exact duplicate of my Amarr Assault suit (proto) with the Amarr Advanced Logi, the only thing it misses is 4 more shots from the SCR at 1/4 the of my assault setup.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 791	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:00:00 - [17] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. If the Assault did not have the assault bonus going for it for Scramblers, the logi purely seen from statistics level would/is superiour in all regards. This is the case for all Logi suits. In terms of more armour HP the logi is better but its not better at assaulting, I have proto of both. Ow wow you got Both eh ? I got proto Amarr Assault, Proto caldari Logi and Proto Amarr Logi (all needed modules at proto too and core skills at 5) and i keep building Logi suits to see hmm how much better then my assault can i make these....but i run Amarr Assault on the field because i dont want to run a crutch, but do believe me when i say it aint tempting to run a logi Btw i can make an exact duplicate of my Amarr Assault suit (proto) with the Amarr Advanced Logi, the only thing it misses is 4 more shots from the SCR at 1/4 the of my assault setup. I have 19mil and something lifetime.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 791	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:05:00 - [18] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. If the Assault did not have the assault bonus going for it for Scramblers, the logi purely seen from statistics level would/is superiour in all regards. This is the case for all Logi suits. In terms of more armour HP the logi is better but its not better at assaulting, I have proto of both. Ow wow you got Both eh ? I got proto Amarr Assault, Proto caldari Logi and Proto Amarr Logi (all needed modules at proto too and core skills at 5) and i keep building Logi suits to see hmm how much better then my assault can i make these....but i run Amarr Assault on the field because i dont want to run a crutch, but do believe me when i say it aint tempting to run a logi Btw i can make an exact duplicate of my Amarr Assault suit (proto) with the Amarr Advanced Logi, the only thing it misses is 4 more shots from the SCR at 1/4 the of my assault setup. Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 716	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:24:00 - [19] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Is it just my opinion or does the amarr logi (allmost) everything better then the amarr assault? Lets be honest here you loose 50HP on shields but gain more CPU,PG, 3 equipment slots, the 5HP passive reps, the bonus to armor repair modules and 1 additional low slot. All that are by miles better bonuses compared on what you get from the assault (5% reduction on laser weapon overheat and +5% on shield recharge rate). Its supposed to be armor tanked and it gets a shield bonus (all assaults do that for some unknown reason). So to break it down to survivability: -loss of the 50hp on shields can easy be compensated by adding a basic plate (85HP) cause it has a additional low slot -your armor repairs are much better cause you get 2 whopping bonuses (passive repair+module effectivity) -you have a sidearm like a assault -3 equipment slots (scanner, nanohive and injector?) This is not a complain about that the amarr logi is OP cause it is not compared to other logi suits. Its more like that the amarr assault is simply underpowered compared to its logi variant. And dont tell me that using a laser on it makes it valid cause it isnt due to the fact that the AR is and allways will be the best weapon on the game. Scramblers are mediocore but meh. note: OP has not specced into any amarr suits nor amarr weaponary. All opinions from the OP are based on observations and weapon popularity and stat comparison. If the Assault did not have the assault bonus going for it for Scramblers, the logi purely seen from statistics level would/is superiour in all regards. This is the case for all Logi suits. In terms of more armour HP the logi is better but its not better at assaulting, I have proto of both. Ow wow you got Both eh ? I got proto Amarr Assault, Proto caldari Logi and Proto Amarr Logi (all needed modules at proto too and core skills at 5) and i keep building Logi suits to see hmm how much better then my assault can i make these....but i run Amarr Assault on the field because i dont want to run a crutch, but do believe me when i say it aint tempting to run a logi Btw i can make an exact duplicate of my Amarr Assault suit (proto) with the Amarr Advanced Logi, the only thing it misses is 4 more shots from the SCR at 1/4 the of my assault setup. Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous. he thinks because he can fit one more plate amarr logi is better but he does not realize that amarr logi forward speed is poor and strafe speed is even worse, the amarr logi rivals heavies in slowness. sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference. beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it. his tears will also be delicious once the logi repair bonus gets replaced with a real logi bonus thus he cant brick tank anymore.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 702	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:24:00 - [20] - Quote Quote: Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous. 24m+- sp Its a crutch because i perform better with it then when i deploy in my actual assault suit and in the caldari Logi, i can have 200 more EHP while sporting 3 damage mods instead of the ussual 2. Its not rocket science dude..the bonus for 4 extra shots can be easely replaced with not missing 4 actual shots in the first place, then the need for no repper coupled to an extra slots on top.... How are they worse then assaults ? oh because they have less Stamina ....right ...

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 716	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:26:00 - [21] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous. 24m+- sp Its a crutch because i perform better with it then when i deploy in my actual assault suit and in the caldari Logi, i can have 200 more EHP while sporting 3 damage mods instead of the ussual 2. Its not rocket science dude..the bonus for 4 extra shots can be easely replaced with not missing 4 actual shots in the first place, then the need for no repper coupled to an extra slots on top.... How are they worse then assaults ? oh because they have less Stamina ....right ... do you enjoy moving slower than heavies with your amarr logi brick tank? even the average player can keep aim on that easily. assault has also higher strafe speed
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 791	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:31:00 - [22] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous. 24m+- sp Its a crutch because i perform better with it then when i deploy in my actual assault suit and in the caldari Logi, i can have 200 more EHP while sporting 3 damage mods instead of the ussual 2. Its not rocket science dude..the bonus for 4 extra shots can be easely replaced with not missing 4 actual shots in the first place, then the need for no repper coupled to an extra slots on top.... How are they worse then assaults ? oh because they have less Stamina ....right ... I never said they are worse than assaults, I just stated how assault is better at assault because of its attributes.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 791	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:33:00 - [23] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous. 24m+- sp Its a crutch because i perform better with it then when i deploy in my actual assault suit and in the caldari Logi, i can have 200 more EHP while sporting 3 damage mods instead of the ussual 2. Its not rocket science dude..the bonus for 4 extra shots can be easely replaced with not missing 4 actual shots in the first place, then the need for no repper coupled to an extra slots on top.... How are they worse then assaults ? oh because they have less Stamina ....right ... do you enjoy moving slower than heavies with your amarr logi brick tank? even the average player can keep aim on that easily. assault has also higher strafe speed Brick tanking to stay alive is needed if your a true logi, the amarr logi is best suited for defensive play and is brilliant for heavy hugging.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 703	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:36:00 - [24] - Quote Quote: sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference. beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it. I run armor plates in my assault and have a forward speed of 6.39 ussually, my logi has 6.33, most Amaar assaults don't really strafe that fast and even if they did its still more of a Lag/Hitbox issue then actually keeping a crosshair over someone. For me its 4 shots diffrence, i dont see how if *you* can get "more shots" out of it benefits me in some way? Having said that , if you are saying that you cant get better performance out of a logi while assaulting, then either you don't have one or are doing it wrong.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 791	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:39:00 - [25] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference. beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it. I run armor plates in my assault and have a forward speed of 6.39 ussually, my logi has 6.33, most Amaar assaults don't really strafe that fast and even if they did its still more of a Lag/Hitbox issue then actually keeping a crosshair over someone. For me its 4 shots diffrence, i dont see how if *you* can get "more shots" out of it benefits me in some way? Having said that , if you are saying that you cant get better performance out of a logi while assaulting, then either you don't have one or are doing it wrong. My amarr logi movement speed is 3.96 and sprint is 5.96 so its way to slow to effectively assault but its good for defensive play and cqc. My assault is faster with more shield.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 703	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:40:00 - [26] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: Explain how an amarr logi is a crutch? That's ridiculous. 24m+- sp Its a crutch because i perform better with it then when i deploy in my actual assault suit and in the caldari Logi, i can have 200 more EHP while sporting 3 damage mods instead of the ussual 2. Its not rocket science dude..the bonus for 4 extra shots can be easely replaced with not missing 4 actual shots in the first place, then the need for no repper coupled to an extra slots on top.... How are they worse then assaults ? oh because they have less Stamina ....right ... do you enjoy moving slower than heavies with your amarr logi brick tank? even the average player can keep aim on that easily. assault has also higher strafe speed If you had read my post, you would have read that i don't run any logi suits, except for testing, my amarr suit has roughly 700 EHP, thats far from a 1100 EHP Logi brick and the average player is already long dead before he aims at me.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 486	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:45:00 - [27] - Quote IT HAS LESS SPEED AND LESS OFFENSIVE ABILITIES fitted properly the assault is better for slaying than the amarian logi
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 488	Posted - 2013.10.18 11:07:00 - [28] - Quote look at this way you have 6 man squads 2 amar heavies 2 amar assaults 2 amar logi's the assaults would be the front line pushing ahead slaying and pulling back behind the heavies periodically when needed..the heavies are the cqc causing area ruckus ..and the logi's depending on the map i run either laser rifle smg or md smg..i think most amarian logi's use these combos..they are area denial pure and simple a skilled md working in unison with a skilled laser on most maps with complementing logi gear and tanked suits can stand alone. the amarian logi's speed in all veteran squad places it ahead of the heavies but farbehind the assaults..assault troops needing assistance in these cases pull back to the cover of the heavies and the amarian logi would be around there. (confined by its speed) 1 logi running md/smg, 1 logi running laser/smg..even by themselves should compliment each other well enough to be unstoppable except vs overwhelming skilled players. really i stick to the belief that by speccing the gear in dust they way ccp envisioned them working gives you the best performance..the rest comes from 1 your personal gungame 2 the element of surprise (which relies on your tactical thinking and knowledge of the map the amar assault suit can do the same and faster ..but to less support extent...me and my bud codebreaker both run amarian ako logi i run md laser/smg...he is a ar smg and we walk through people together if he had a proto assault it would be the same but faster...i dont think we could revive each other consistently though:( personally i care more for the all around abilities my amarian ako gives me...but my assault variant is more affordable ..and purely killing based..really it is a trade off..i kill people faster and have faster survivability in my assault. i get more wp less kills and surviving requires a bit more time when alone in my logi. they are definitely a trade off the assault variant is fine..if anything amarian needs work its the viziam laser rifle
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1170	Posted - 2013.10.18 11:34:00 - [29] - Quote I <3 my amarr logi
superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 90	Posted - 2013.10.18 11:38:00 - [30] - Quote I run Amarr Logi and its very good for running a mass driver. I can run my Freedom and a Six Kin smg so when ppl try to rush me I pull that thing out and shred them. On top of that I can have ammo to just rain MD fire down for half of a match or more. When covering an objective and self supporting yourself the Amarr logi cannot be beaten. Then you have the sidearm for when they come after you and if its proficient then you are one deadly package.



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