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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:52:00 -
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Is this another QQ thread on an alt just so that you can get CCP to nerf the Logi because you're an Assault? |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1848
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:06:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference. beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it. I run armor plates in my assault and have a forward speed of 6.39 ussually, my logi has 6.33, most Amaar assaults don't really strafe that fast and even if they did its still more of a Lag/Hitbox issue then actually keeping a crosshair over someone. For me its 4 shots diffrence, i dont see how if you can get "more shots" out of it benefits me in some way? Having said that , if you are saying that you cant get better performance out of a logi while assaulting, then either you don't have one or are doing it wrong.
just stop they'll never listen, they already agree with you, but showing they agree with put logis on track for a nerf so they won't agree with you.
Of course Logi suits could be made BETTER at being logis while removing the hp repair bonus, removing 2 slots each, and adding a role bonus of -50% to pg and cpu of equipment. Then add two USEFUL bonuses per logi *which are coming* and you've got a powerful, not gimped by equipment fittings, logi machine. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
793
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:44:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference. beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it. I run armor plates in my assault and have a forward speed of 6.39 ussually, my logi has 6.33, most Amaar assaults don't really strafe that fast and even if they did its still more of a Lag/Hitbox issue then actually keeping a crosshair over someone. For me its 4 shots diffrence, i dont see how if you can get "more shots" out of it benefits me in some way? Having said that , if you are saying that you cant get better performance out of a logi while assaulting, then either you don't have one or are doing it wrong. just stop they'll never listen, they already agree with you, but showing they agree with put logis on track for a nerf so they won't agree with you. Of course Logi suits could be made BETTER at being logis while removing the hp repair bonus, removing 2 slots each, and adding a role bonus of -50% to pg and cpu of equipment. Then add two USEFUL bonuses per logi *which are coming* and you've got a powerful, not gimped by equipment fittings, logi machine.
No we really don't agree and if his proto amarr logi runs that quick he's doing it wrong. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1835
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:55:00 -
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It's a general problem with all logis, and once I'd have said that the Gallente is the only logi that is outright superior to its assault counterpart. But with the introduction of the various buffs the Amarr received, namely the extra low slot, I'm inclined to think of how said logi is probably the single best dual-tanker in the game. |
Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1517
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:00:00 -
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Alot of people look at the numbers or EHP.
You need to get a feel of the suit.
Sure I can get 670 armor on an advanced logi, and I keep my advanced assault at 225 armor with 12/hp repair.
My Assault can strafe faster, run faster, run longer, jump farther. Does this matter when assaulting? Of course. It depends on how you. "assault"
Now if I want to hang out at an objective to bang it out, I rather use the Amarr Logi, but that is more defense than assault. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
793
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:17:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Alot of people look at the numbers or EHP.
You need to get a feel of the suit.
Sure I can get 670 armor on an advanced logi, and I keep my advanced assault at 225 armor with 12/hp repair.
My Assault can strafe faster, run faster, run longer, jump farther. Does this matter when assaulting? Of course. It depends on how you. "assault"
Now if I want to hang out at an objective to bang it out, I rather use the Amarr Logi, but that is more defense than assault.
Thank you for also expressing the attributes that make assault better for assault rather than just looking at over all HP. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6148
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:26:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Alot of people look at the numbers or EHP.
You need to get a feel of the suit.
Sure I can get 670 armor on an advanced logi, and I keep my advanced assault at 225 armor with 12/hp repair.
My Assault can strafe faster, run faster, run longer, jump farther. Does this matter when assaulting? Of course. It depends on how you. "assault"
Now if I want to hang out at an objective to bang it out, I rather use the Amarr Logi, but that is more defense than assault. ^ |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
794
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Posted - 2013.10.19 01:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Alot of people look at the numbers or EHP.
You need to get a feel of the suit.
Sure I can get 670 armor on an advanced logi, and I keep my advanced assault at 225 armor with 12/hp repair.
My Assault can strafe faster, run faster, run longer, jump farther. Does this matter when assaulting? Of course. It depends on how you. "assault"
Now if I want to hang out at an objective to bang it out, I rather use the Amarr Logi, but that is more defense than assault. ^
Exquisite forum warrior skills there cosgar, very subtle lol |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6167
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Posted - 2013.10.19 01:50:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Cosgar wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Alot of people look at the numbers or EHP.
You need to get a feel of the suit.
Sure I can get 670 armor on an advanced logi, and I keep my advanced assault at 225 armor with 12/hp repair.
My Assault can strafe faster, run faster, run longer, jump farther. Does this matter when assaulting? Of course. It depends on how you. "assault"
Now if I want to hang out at an objective to bang it out, I rather use the Amarr Logi, but that is more defense than assault. ^ Exquisite forum warrior skills there cosgar, very subtle lol I hate this whole logi/assault debate but when people try to bring the Amarr or Minmatar logi into it, they're just grasping for straws. I've even seen complaints about the Minmatar hacking bonus of all things. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
794
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Posted - 2013.10.19 01:53:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cosgar wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Alot of people look at the numbers or EHP.
You need to get a feel of the suit.
Sure I can get 670 armor on an advanced logi, and I keep my advanced assault at 225 armor with 12/hp repair.
My Assault can strafe faster, run faster, run longer, jump farther. Does this matter when assaulting? Of course. It depends on how you. "assault"
Now if I want to hang out at an objective to bang it out, I rather use the Amarr Logi, but that is more defense than assault. ^ Exquisite forum warrior skills there cosgar, very subtle lol I hate this whole logi/assault debate but when people try to bring the Amarr or Minmatar logi into it, they're just grasping for straws. I've even seen complaints about the Minmatar hacking bonus of all things.
I know its ridiculous, people think HP defines a role almost rather than attributes and how those benefit roles. |
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crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1860
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Posted - 2013.10.19 02:15:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote: he thinks because he can fit one more plate amarr logi is better but he does not realize that amarr logi forward speed is poor and strafe speed is even worse, the amarr logi rivals heavies in slowness.
sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference.
beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it.
his tears will also be delicious once the logi repair bonus gets replaced with a real logi bonus thus he cant brick tank anymore.
The minmatar logi has 5 lows and can get fit 5 proto sprint mods making it faster than any scout suit so when you try to convince me I'm wrong I'm sorry but I'm not convinced.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
6175
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Posted - 2013.10.19 03:52:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Jack McReady wrote: he thinks because he can fit one more plate amarr logi is better but he does not realize that amarr logi forward speed is poor and strafe speed is even worse, the amarr logi rivals heavies in slowness.
sprint next to amarr assault with amarr logi and check the distance difference when both are out of stamina, difference is huge. try keep aim at amarr assault strafing, try the same against amarr logi, worlds difference.
beside that, it is more than 4 more shots with the SCR, the heat buildup is per second not per shots fire, if you can hit the very trigger fast you get alot more out of it.
his tears will also be delicious once the logi repair bonus gets replaced with a real logi bonus thus he cant brick tank anymore.
The minmatar logi has 5 lows and can get fit 5 proto sprint mods making it faster than any scout suit so when you try to convince me I'm wrong I'm sorry but I'm not convinced. Minmatar logi only has 4 lows at proto. I'll assume that if you were talking about Gallente, all that speed means nothing when you barely have enough stamina to run for 12 seconds. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
501
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:It's a general problem with all logis, and once I'd have said that the Gallente is the only logi that is outright superior to its assault counterpart. But with the introduction of the various buffs the Amarr received, namely the extra low slot, I'm inclined to think of how said logi is probably the single best dual-tanker in the game. The Callogi still takes that crown with 1288(iirc) possible HP compared to the ~1100 possible HP of the Amlogi. Of course the Heavy suits can have the most HP though. |
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