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XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:18:00 -
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Aivonen GÇô The Caldari Navy has recovered the wreckage of the fugitive fleet believed to have been escorting Tibus Heth in Aivonen early this morning. The wrecks were devoid of bodies despite numerous unused escape pods and signs of a prolonged struggle and firefight.
According to the NavyGÇÖs report, it appears the ships were attacked with energy weapons and boarded. What happened after that is unknown, as the ship computers were destroyed by an EM pulse which appears to have been powerful and artificial. Numerous personal effects confirmed to belong to high-ranking members of the Provists have been recovered from the wreckage, including a Caldari Constructions pocket watch reportedly prized by Tibus Heth in the wreck of a Raven Navy Issue. Fresh blood samples recovered from the watch match those of Tibus Heth.
Navy officials have not yet officially speculated on the nature of the attack, nor the disposition of Heth. They have claimed the attack was not conducted by the Caldari Navy or any known associates. Caldari State authorities continue to treat Heth as a live fugitive. |
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XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:20:00 -
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This is interesting. I know its a bit of an obvious question, but what the heck happened I wonder? |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:08:00 -
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In naval terminology, "energy weapons" means lasers. That would typically mean Blood Raiders, Sansha's Nation, Amarr Empire, or certain mercenary groups that use customized Caldari ships. Sansha's Nation does use EMP weapons as a matter of routine.
For Tibus Heth to have joined Sansha Kuvakei's utopian experiment would be an ironic end to the story, but it's not a fate I'd wish even on him. |
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:18:00 -
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Sounds like the empress wants her money back.
Edit: reread this has blood raiders all over it but I got the nagging feeling 514 has somthing to do it |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3271
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:59:00 -
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If we are talking about Aivonen, it is far from blood raiders typical hunting grounds.
Asumming the capabilities of the remaining two groups it is/ could be entirely possible the Sansha's Nation could strike in the heart of Blackrise, nor would an Amarr ship looks all that out of place flying in Caldari space. |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:26:00 -
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Aivonen is currently experiencing an incursion by Sansha forces.
If the Provist fleet tried to hide there, it is pretty clear what happened.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3278
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:48:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Aivonen is currently experiencing an incursion by Sansha forces.
If the Provist fleet tried to hide there, it is pretty clear what happened.
Then we can only assume that either Heth is dead, or captured by the worst scum this universe has ever known. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Aivonen is currently experiencing an incursion by Sansha forces.
If the Provist fleet tried to hide there, it is pretty clear what happened.
Then we can only assume that either Heth is dead, or captured by the worst scum this universe has ever known.
I don't envy him. I wouldn't wish the Sansha on anyone. |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:59:00 -
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I'm in contact with FDU capsuleers right now confirming all of this.
The fact no bodies were found is a trademark of Sansha attacks. As is the damage from laser weaponry and the destruction of the onboard computer systems so that communications would not be sent.
Scubbing the interior of the ship, especially ventilation systems, for nanite debris would confirm the theory. Sansha often use nanites in their attacks, programmed to take control of a persons somatic (motor) nervous functions. People in this state can't control their own movement, and just walk right onto Sansha vessels. Utterly terrifying, if you ask me. |
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Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:13:00 -
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Oh no. Oh no no no no no no no. This is bad. Really, very, very bad.
Don't you all see what is going on here? Sansha is all over this no doubt, but even if the Provist fleet was captured do you really think he will keep a guy like Tibus as a cog in the Nation? If anything, Heth be forced into the upper hierarchy of the Nation's hivemind. If Tibus survived the attack, he could be a force multiplier for the Nation.
A man with that much intelligence on Caldari battle tactics and security protocals, and now he is part of the greatest threat in the universe. We should be preparing for war right now! |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:25:00 -
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You're right Galm. The information Heth has in his head could potentially give the Sansha a serious advantage against Caldari forces.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3281
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:29:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:You're right Galm. The information Heth has in his head could potentially give the Sansha a serious advantage against Caldari forces.
Then you expect him to be a True Citizen of the Nation? That could be disastrous for the State, though what I am more concerned about is how no one seems to know where Sansha is basing himself, and how he can make use of these wormholes.
Assuming Heth was targeted by Sansha two possibilities now present themselves. Sansha either knew or had access to information as to Heth's location which no other empire had access to, how did he come by that? And will he target other influential persons aligned with the greater empires? |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:44:00 -
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Actually, this event could be entirely serendipitous for the Sansha, rather than a targetted abduction.
Heth was already IN the region, running from State forces, when the incursion occurred (and is still happening). Stumbling upon Heth could have been an accident, but Sansha forces are known to thoroughly spread themselves out within the systems they attack. Heth has no way out of the system, and the Sansha find and board the ship, abducting everyone. Standard procedure for the Sansha, but finding Heth on board was a treat.
If this is indeed what happened, he'll be implanted like all other Sansha slaves, unless Kuvakei has another plan for him.
Also, we actually DO know where Sansha is, thanks to the effort of the capsuleers of the Synenose Accord, many of whom are close contacts and friends. Probes sent through the artificially created wormholes revealed Sansha bases in Jovian space, which we unfortunately have no way of getting to. The technology is likely Jovian as well, which implies that the Jovians are no longer strong enough to fight off Sansha, or more likely, they are all dead from their disease. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3284
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:55:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Actually, this event could be entirely serendipitous for the Sansha, rather than a targetted abduction.
Heth was already IN the region, running from State forces, when the incursion occurred (and is still happening). Stumbling upon Heth could have been an accident, but Sansha forces are known to thoroughly spread themselves out within the systems they attack. Heth has no way out of the system, and the Sansha find and board the ship, abducting everyone. Standard procedure for the Sansha, but finding Heth on board was a treat.
If this is indeed what happened, he'll be implanted like all other Sansha slaves, unless Kuvakei has another plan for him.
Also, we actually DO know where Sansha is, thanks to the effort of the capsuleers of the Synenose Accord, many of whom are close contacts and friends. Probes sent through the artificially created wormholes revealed Sansha bases in Jovian space, which we unfortunately have no way of getting to. The technology is likely Jovian as well, which implies that the Jovians are no longer strong enough to fight off Sansha, or more likely, they are all dead from their disease. This is true, though I find it rather unlikely he simply was caught through sheer bad luck, if we know anything about either two of these men, Sansha and Heth, they are both very competent, and prepared men.
Discussing this brings up too many possibilities about the nature of the incursions.... |
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Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:38:00 -
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I side with Dagger-Two. If I had my way, then I would see every one of our ships sent onward into Jove space after them. We need to face the facts, the Jove aren't coming to save us anymore. |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:43:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:I side with Dagger-Two. If I had my way, then I would see every one of our ships sent onward into Jove space after them. We need to face the facts, the Jove aren't coming to save us anymore.
Your passion on the matter is admirable...but in case you forgot, we can't get to Jove space. The Jovians shut down their border stargates some time ago. Sansha has the advantage here with their wormhole technology. If we could ever replicate it, THEN we could mount an assault. For now, we're stuck dealing with incursions as they arise. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:43:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:I side with Dagger-Two. If I had my way, then I would see every one of our ships sent onward into Jove space after them. We need to face the facts, the Jove aren't coming to save us anymore. But we cannot access Jovian Space.... |
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Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Galm Fae wrote:I side with Dagger-Two. If I had my way, then I would see every one of our ships sent onward into Jove space after them. We need to face the facts, the Jove aren't coming to save us anymore. But we cannot access Jovian Space.... This is why we need to acquire True Power craft. Maybe we can find a way to reverse engineer the warp technology, or at least find some way of accessing Heaven from the outside. If it were at all possible to lure the Nation traps, we could knock them out with well organize wolf packs and quickly salvage as much as we can as quickly as possible. |
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Void Echo
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:05:00 -
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the jove got to them.... that's the best explanation, how else are you to explain no bodies and no missing escape pods... or sanshas nation is looking for a political figure to join the collective in hopes of bringing false peace. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:09:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:the jove got to them.... that's the best explanation, how else are you to explain no bodies and no missing escape pods... or sanshas nation is looking for a political figure to join the collective in hopes of bringing false peace.
I do not see that happening any time soon, especially not with the State. Sansha hates them with a passion. |
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Void Echo
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:10:00 -
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either way, something big is coming.... and everything is pointing in the direction of the jove empire (whats left of it)..
in the near future, I predict that more of these encounters and events will continue... then wel se an incursion from jove space be either the jove themselves or something else that they are hiding in their borders.
beware my clone brothers & sisters... this is not the end... this is just the beginning. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:16:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:either way, something big is coming.... and everything is pointing in the direction of the jove empire (whats left of it)..
in the near future, I predict that more of these encounters and events will continue... then wel se an incursion from jove space be either the jove themselves or something else that they are hiding in their borders.
beware my clone brothers & sisters... this is not the end... this is just the beginning.
We are constantly seeing encursions from Jove space Mr Echo. The Nation is always launching attacks from wormholes, that Dagger Two has told me lead to that un explored space.
I suppose the Jove are a dead people now, any small number clinging to life are the last remnants of their people either torn apart by their disease or at the hands of Sansha's Nation. |
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Void Echo
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:either way, something big is coming.... and everything is pointing in the direction of the jove empire (whats left of it)..
in the near future, I predict that more of these encounters and events will continue... then wel se an incursion from jove space be either the jove themselves or something else that they are hiding in their borders.
beware my clone brothers & sisters... this is not the end... this is just the beginning. We are constantly seeing encursions from Jove space Mr Echo. The Nation is always launching attacks from wormholes, that Dagger Two has told me lead to that un explored space. I suppose the Jove are a dead people now, any small number clinging to life are the last remnants of their people either torn apart by their disease or at the hands of Sansha's Nation.
either way like I said... this is just the beginning.... we may see a full invasion sometime in the future |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:26:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:either way, something big is coming.... and everything is pointing in the direction of the jove empire (whats left of it)..
in the near future, I predict that more of these encounters and events will continue... then wel se an incursion from jove space be either the jove themselves or something else that they are hiding in their borders.
beware my clone brothers & sisters... this is not the end... this is just the beginning. We are constantly seeing encursions from Jove space Mr Echo. The Nation is always launching attacks from wormholes, that Dagger Two has told me lead to that un explored space. I suppose the Jove are a dead people now, any small number clinging to life are the last remnants of their people either torn apart by their disease or at the hands of Sansha's Nation. either way like I said... this is just the beginning.... we may see a full invasion sometime in the future.. whether it be by jove, or sansha's puppets.. Sansha's puppets is more likely. We rarely see the Jove any more and with the Nation so close to them.....
Either way the technological advancements have made conflicts with the Nation an absolute nightmare both on the ground and in space. |
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:either way, something big is coming.... and everything is pointing in the direction of the jove empire (whats left of it)..
in the near future, I predict that more of these encounters and events will continue... then wel se an incursion from jove space be either the jove themselves or something else that they are hiding in their borders.
beware my clone brothers & sisters... this is not the end... this is just the beginning. We are constantly seeing encursions from Jove space Mr Echo. The Nation is always launching attacks from wormholes, that Dagger Two has told me lead to that un explored space. I suppose the Jove are a dead people now, any small number clinging to life are the last remnants of their people either torn apart by their disease or at the hands of Sansha's Nation. either way like I said... this is just the beginning.... we may see a full invasion sometime in the future.. whether it be by jove, or sansha's puppets.. Sansha's puppets is more likely. We rarely see the Jove any more and with the Nation so close to them..... Either way the technological advancements have made conflicts with the Nation an absolute nightmare both on the ground and in space.
its always going to be total war... especially with sanhsa. last time I checked, the empires were not that far reached towards the jove, the people that are closets to jove space are all player alliances, no empire for constellations across. |
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steadyhand amarr
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.18 10:38:00 -
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While a time of great conflict could be coming I know at least the empires Templars will stand ready to defend all people of new eden |
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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:32:00 -
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This reeks of Sansha's Nation. EMP? Check. Missing people, possibly abducted? Check.
The Nation might be trying to flex their guns by capturing a high value target. Probably going to be fitted with an Implant. Depending on whether he is willing or not, he might become a True Slave or a Citizen.
All theoretical of course. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:45:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:This reeks of Sansha's Nation. EMP? Check. Missing people, possibly abducted? Check.
The Nation might be trying to flex their guns by capturing a high value target. Probably going to be fitted with an Implant. Depending on whether he is willing or not, he might become a True Slave or a Citizen.
All theoretical of course. Solidly agreed. Also, apparently a Nation incursion was active in the area at the time. (I haven't confirmed this; I picked it up off the capsuleer IGS.) |
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steadyhand amarr
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:19:00 -
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he cant have implants, due to a genetic defect it may be his saving grace |
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.19 01:29:00 -
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Could that bastard Heth finally be dead? |
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