I seem to do fine going toe to toe with protos using my meta 1 gear, so why would I want this? Proto stompers come in and I roll out in my meta 1 logi suit rather than my proto and my kdr goes up. Is there a problem with mixed meta matches? Absolutely not!

Open world real time matchmaking rather than meta matchmaking for the win. Give me an open world to explore and drones to kill along with players, allow me to ambush someone or capture their home base. Is this game about holding hands and singing kubaya? Or is it about killing and being killed?

you cant match make in dust, it would break the game more then you could ever think out, just give it up & **** off with your weak self. matchmaking can NEVER WORK! get over it.

Don't hurt your head with those genius responses to my points, you might blow an artery straining that hard.

Any real discussion to be had?

i edited my post abit. but theres no place for matching making A. it would needlessly split the player base even more B. there's enough meaningless matchs with puplic contracts atm we dont need more of them.

A. This would only really effect public contracts and give people a reason to play them again (almost everyone plays FW these days)

B. This would give meaning to the matches with a brand new reward system thatrewards you based on the risk you put into the match.

C. It would help evenly divide the playerbase, not split it. Those interested in FW could do so. Those interested in grinding for good gear and officer weapons/suits and high ISK payouts could do so in the high end tier. Those who are interestedin playing challenging matches without running full proto all the time could do so with a decent payout in the mid tier. And those who are new and don't have the gear or gameplay experience to deal with higher end gear can still play and learn in the low tier.

It's better for matchmaker to be based on player skill than on gear. if you're consistently in the top of your match you'll face harder opponents, if you're consistently in the bottom, you'll face weaker players. This will achieve an equilibrium where you fall into a group of roughly similar skill so you'll finish in the top half 50% of the time and the bottom half the other 50% of the time. As you gear up, your matchmaker rank will naturally increase too.

Though I agree that matching based on skill would be right in most games, I feel it's misguided in this game. With this system I set up, anyone can play against any tier. If a really good player wants to pubstomp less skilled players in the lower tier, he can do so. However he will be limited in what gear he can use, thus evening the playing field. If he wants a better payout and rewards, he can go fight better players in higher tiers before he has good gear, just like people do now. But it gives him a choice. Low payout/lots of low-end salvage for low tier pubstomping, mid-level payout/mid-level salvage with a chance of offiger gear for mid-tier, or high payout/high grade salvage with a fair chance at officer gear and suits for high tier matches. As it stands right now, two even players come up against each other and gear decides who wins. This helps people play within their experience class if they wish to.

Your suggestion creates a lot more complexity, and fractures the already small playerbase into even smaller pools which will result in tiny groups for certain meta categories and game mode combinations. It also runs counter to the Ethos of New Eden where there is no safe haven, and where you can always be ganked when you're not docked up (even in Hi-Sec). The system I posted addresses the biggest flaws with pubstomping but still allows for flexibility and won't fracture the playerbase into small pools with insane wait times. Some players need to outgear their opponents to remain competitive. They should have to pay a heavy ISK (or AUR) for the privilege, but if they're consistently finnishing in the middle of the pack, then everyone is having good fights and the system is working as intended.

have you considered some one might work out the optimal fitting for a certain meta level that would reck people, then it starts being used by every one els creating a situation where every one plays the same gear, how about the fact that a some one with proto passives makes militia gear practically as good as advanced gear what would those players do, have the noob levels split from the higher ones, honestly to me it just seems like to much mucking about to be worth the hassle.

It's better for matchmaker to be based on player skill than on gear. if you're consistently in the top of your match you'll face harder opponents, if you're consistently in the bottom, you'll face weaker players. This will achieve an equilibrium where you fall into a group of roughly similar skill so you'll finish in the top half 50% of the time and the bottom half the other 50% of the time. As you gear up, your matchmaker rank will naturally increase too.

You obviously didn't even read half of the post or you would not have typed such an ill-informed response. This in no way removes mixed meta lvl matches, it in fact gives better payout and rewards to those who play mixed meta level matches. However, it also allows people who wish to play low meta lvl matches to do so but for reduced payouts. And for people who wish to play mid meta lvl matches to do so with a moderate payout.

Read the whole post before you criticize, or don't post. It makes you look bad.

That's one way to look at it.

Here's another.

You make the argument that having separate channels for players is hand holding. Ok. Then all you would have to do is go pubstomp in weaker gear in the low meta class if it offends you that you can't stomp on noobs. Unless you're worried that running weaker gear might get you killed by the nublets. Do you really need that proto gear to stomp new players? If you are not worried you'll get stomped by noobs if you run weaker gear, then I don't see your issue. You can play in the noob tier and make crappy rewards after every match. If you are worried you'll get stomped, then your problem isn't my proposal, it's that you need to get good.

I'm only saying that people should have the choice to fight withing the weight class they feel they are in gear-wise. People of all skill levels can still join any tier, so there is no hiding from someone who just really wants to stomp noobs, but they will have to do it in the same kind of gear the noobs are in. The fact that you wanna pubstomp noobs in proto gear who don't have the gear to properly defend themselves should be your problem, not theirs.