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da GAND
High-Damage Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:54:00 -
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Looking at the faction warfare map and the Amarr seem to be dominating , been playing FW for a bit lately for the Minmatar and it seems like there is always a squad filled with members from one corp on the amarr side. I've barely seen a squad from a specific corp on the Minmatar side, doesn't seem like there are many people that like the Minmatar on Dust 514, is it the same on the EVE side? |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1247
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:59:00 -
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Been told Eve side, the Minmatar were generally the stronger side. Don't play much EVE or keep up with it so I couldn't tell you what the deal with the militia's been. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
346
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:59:00 -
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A week ago we were dominating with 100%-98% control in all systems. But apparently amarr rewards were more preferred. |
negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:00:00 -
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It because of the event, our reward kinda stink( or that i'll never be able to use them) |
da GAND
High-Damage Public Disorder.
267
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:02:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:A week ago we were dominating with 100%-98% control in all systems. But apparently amarr rewards were more preferred.
It seems like all it takes is numbers in FW to be winning |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
346
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:03:00 -
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da GAND wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:A week ago we were dominating with 100%-98% control in all systems. But apparently amarr rewards were more preferred. It seems like all it takes is numbers in FW to be winning actually that is about right. |
da GAND
High-Damage Public Disorder.
267
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:09:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:da GAND wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:A week ago we were dominating with 100%-98% control in all systems. But apparently amarr rewards were more preferred. It seems like all it takes is numbers in FW to be winning actually that is about right. Quantity over quality doesn't seem right, especially since it's 16 v 16 |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1799
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:21:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Looking at the faction warfare map and the Amarr seem to be dominating , been playing FW for a bit lately for the Minmatar and it seems like there is always a squad filled with members from one corp on the amarr side. I've barely seen a squad from a specific corp on the Minmatar side, doesn't seem like there are many people that like the Minmatar on Dust 514, is it the same on the EVE side?
I love the Minmatar. I fight for Amarr ironically. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
347
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:22:00 -
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it has to do with the amount of attack contracts. both sides are distributing the same number, so every time we flip a district it gets swarmed with Amarr attack contracts since they have nowhere else to hit. One loss and the district re-flips (I think, every time I attacked a district it always switched)) |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1263
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:24:00 -
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Yup. Way more good teams on the Amarr side than Minmatar. There's some good squads running together for the minmatar but as soon as we win back land a fully stacked Amarr team will battle it out with our Matari crack team of NPC, militia wearing bambis and our bambis get slaughtered.
Fought all day the other day, managed to gain maybe 10 to 15 districts back. They were gone within 20 minutes. |
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Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis
655
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:25:00 -
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That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them. We chose Gal and have been having a pretty fun time with it cause I could care less about the lol-Rewards |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1506
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:27:00 -
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Amarr had better organization and had an upsurge in players as well, it helped swing things in our favor. |
da GAND
High-Damage Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:27:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:it has to do with the amount of attack contracts. both sides are distributing the same number, so every time we flip a district it gets swarmed with Amarr attack contracts since they have nowhere else to hit. One loss and the district re-flips (I think, every time I attacked a district it always switched))
Wow, if that's true then I don't see a point of fighting in FW for Minmitar. Might go fight for Caldari then. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1264
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:31:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them.
This has had a major effect on FW. It's honestly annoying and to the point where many won't even bother with the Matari because matches are just pre-match making proto/officer weapon stomps. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3890
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:33:00 -
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There's been fairly strong support for the Amarr for a while, it's just that it took until now for anyone to give a damn about FW. This event acted as a turning point, for sure. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2992
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:37:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Looking at the faction warfare map and the Amarr seem to be dominating , been playing FW for a bit lately for the Minmatar and it seems like there is always a squad filled with members from one corp on the amarr side. I've barely seen a squad from a specific corp on the Minmatar side, doesn't seem like there are many people that like the Minmatar on Dust 514, is it the same on the EVE side? You are actually shitting me aren't you
You haven't looked at the map in more than a month? You haven't looked EVE side, or into DUST side factional alignments?
You are telling me you think the Minmatar have a smaller playerbase in FW than the Amarr?
In EVE everyone has been fighting for the Minmatar, everyone, not only are they painted as the heroes of EVE and Dust but they were winning FW for weeks. Now its the upswing the FW freelancers are more in favour of the Amarr right now.
As for the Amarrian effort Dust side.... I put that down as a core to the hard work and dedication of the players who joined PIE Ground Deployment, from Teamplayers to DethDealers, to AIC, and back to Immortal Retribution....not to mention the months of slogging from PIE and the Hectationchires.
They were the platform that the current FW effort leapt from. This time our players were just more organized, a bit more dedicated, and with the FW numbers stabilizing more compertitive. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1264
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:38:00 -
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Speaking from my corp, we decide to not do FW anymore. It's not fun anymore and many of us are now about broke attempting to keep up with the insane wallets of those fighting for the Amarr. We can't get out of the hole. So there's no point in continuing.
So, guess you guys win this one. *twirls finger* They'll need to run another event to get the sides evened out because the Minmatar will not be pulling themselves out of this hole anytime soon. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
244
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:39:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Looking at the faction warfare map and the Amarr seem to be dominating , been playing FW for a bit lately for the Minmatar and it seems like there is always a squad filled with members from one corp on the amarr side. I've barely seen a squad from a specific corp on the Minmatar side, doesn't seem like there are many people that like the Minmatar on Dust 514, is it the same on the EVE side? Galante's feel your pain. We get stomped harder than you do i won only about 5 battles in a week and lost so many i want my reward even if i don't win any battle just cos of match making but of course players get to choose their sides and went on caldari and amarr even galantes and minmatars betrayed us. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:43:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them. This has had a major effect on FW. It's honestly annoying and to the point where many won't even bother with the Matari because matches are just pre-match making proto/officer weapon stomps. You'd better give credit where credit is due mate. Teamplayers was one of the weights on the end of the seesaw, as aspect of FW that is common to both EVE and dust, and damn he has done a good job.
But....
PIE Inc has been running constant OB's on the warzone for weeks, plexing all target systems, fighting non stop for a month, helping with and gathering all the Amarr FWers into one channel.
((this is not taking credit at all, as we saw weeks ago 2-4 players cannot make the difference. But with the formation of PIE GD, enough people took interest in working with us. I wish people wouldn't de facto point out Team Players because they are good and well known players. Half the Minnie FW efforts are Gallentean corps, the others are whiny pricks who generally cant accept FW mechanics are the way they are.)) |
da GAND
High-Damage Public Disorder.
267
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:44:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:There's been fairly strong support for the Amarr for a while, it's just that it took until now for anyone to give a damn about FW. This event acted as a turning point, for sure.
Seems so, I doubt that there will be enough support for the Minmitar to gain territory back in the future even if this game gains more players. I guess more people would prefer to fight for religious slavers.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2993
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:45:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Speaking from my corp, we decide to not do FW anymore. It's not fun anymore and many of us are now about broke attempting to keep up with the insane wallets of those fighting for the Amarr. We can't get out of the hole. So there's no point in continuing.
So, guess you guys win this one. *twirls finger* They'll need to run another event to get the sides evened out because the Minmatar will not be pulling themselves out of this hole anytime soon. And this is why we are going to win.
If the core FW corps like yours pulled out EVE side as well. The warzone would be ours for a long tong time.
I have lost well over 500 Million ISK EVE side and Dust side during the last month of pushing. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1248
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them. This has had a major effect on FW. It's honestly annoying and to the point where many won't even bother with the Matari because matches are just pre-match making proto/officer weapon stomps. Half the Minnie FW efforts are Gallentean corps, the others are whiny pricks who generally cant accept FW mechanics are the way they are.)) Wow. AmarroganceGäó right there. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1264
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them. This has had a major effect on FW. It's honestly annoying and to the point where many won't even bother with the Matari because matches are just pre-match making proto/officer weapon stomps. You'd better give credit where credit is due mate. Teamplayers was one of the weights on the end of the seesaw, as aspect of FW that is common to both EVE and dust, and damn he has done a good job. But.... PIE Inc has been running constant OB's on the warzone for weeks, plexing all target systems, fighting non stop for a month, helping with and gathering all the Amarr FWers into one channel. ((this is not taking credit at all, as we saw weeks ago 2-4 players cannot make the difference. But with the formation of PIE GD, enough people took interest in working with us. I wish people wouldn't de facto point out Team Players because they are good and well known players. Half the Minnie FW efforts are Gallentean corps, the others are whiny pricks who generally cant accept FW mechanics are the way they are.))
Yeah you guys started making matches competitive and fun before the event. Before the event is where I give you guys props and credit. Now your numbers are just stacked the sides are completely uneven. Many of us have tried organizing but the fact is most good players I know won't fight for the Minmatar anymore because of this event and because of whos on your side.
For those of us that wanted balance to the teams, you efforts pre-event were worth noting. Now, it's just overkill. You're the generals of the ****-fest beating up on newbros now. Not exactly praise worthy anymore. If this whole thing happened without an event okay yeah, maybe then I'd give you a pat on the back.
You guys lit a match. CCP poured gasoline on it. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2994
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:51:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them. This has had a major effect on FW. It's honestly annoying and to the point where many won't even bother with the Matari because matches are just pre-match making proto/officer weapon stomps. You'd better give credit where credit is due mate. Teamplayers was one of the weights on the end of the seesaw, as aspect of FW that is common to both EVE and dust, and damn he has done a good job. But.... PIE Inc has been running constant OB's on the warzone for weeks, plexing all target systems, fighting non stop for a month, helping with and gathering all the Amarr FWers into one channel. ((this is not taking credit at all, as we saw weeks ago 2-4 players cannot make the difference. But with the formation of PIE GD, enough people took interest in working with us. I wish people wouldn't de facto point out Team Players because they are good and well known players. Half the Minnie FW efforts are Gallentean corps, the others are whiny pricks who generally cant accept FW mechanics are the way they are.)) Yeah you guys started making matches competitive and fun before the event. Before the event is where I give you guys props and credit. Now your numbers are just stacked the sides are completely uneven. Many of us have tried organizing but the fact is most good players I know won't fight for the Minmatar anymore because of this event and because of whos on your side. For those of us that wanted balance to the teams, you efforts pre-event were worth noting. Now, it's just overkill. You're the generals of the ****-fest beating up on newbros now. Not exactly praise worthy anymore. If this whole thing happened without an event okay yeah, maybe then I'd give you a pat on the back. You guys lit a match. CCP poured gasoline on it.
As much as I can sympathize this is what FW is. Core groups fighting over ground, pushing. Until one Major Free Lancer Group supports the efforts and we get the imbalance until the mold is broken a month later.
Yeah you were right our efforts pre Region Flip was worth nothing, the Amarr FW scene was hugely under represented, and not organized.
Now we are represented, supported, and organized. I wish you knew more about FW and how is has worked EVE side. AS much as I want fair matches, good matches. EVE is not fair, one day Dust will not be a lobby shooter and will come down to more than just stacking the best you can in 16 slots. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1266
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:True Adamance wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Canari Elphus wrote:That and people flocked to Amarr when Cubs said he would be fighting for them. This has had a major effect on FW. It's honestly annoying and to the point where many won't even bother with the Matari because matches are just pre-match making proto/officer weapon stomps. You'd better give credit where credit is due mate. Teamplayers was one of the weights on the end of the seesaw, as aspect of FW that is common to both EVE and dust, and damn he has done a good job. But.... PIE Inc has been running constant OB's on the warzone for weeks, plexing all target systems, fighting non stop for a month, helping with and gathering all the Amarr FWers into one channel. ((this is not taking credit at all, as we saw weeks ago 2-4 players cannot make the difference. But with the formation of PIE GD, enough people took interest in working with us. I wish people wouldn't de facto point out Team Players because they are good and well known players. Half the Minnie FW efforts are Gallentean corps, the others are whiny pricks who generally cant accept FW mechanics are the way they are.)) Yeah you guys started making matches competitive and fun before the event. Before the event is where I give you guys props and credit. Now your numbers are just stacked the sides are completely uneven. Many of us have tried organizing but the fact is most good players I know won't fight for the Minmatar anymore because of this event and because of whos on your side. For those of us that wanted balance to the teams, you efforts pre-event were worth noting. Now, it's just overkill. You're the generals of the ****-fest beating up on newbros now. Not exactly praise worthy anymore. If this whole thing happened without an event okay yeah, maybe then I'd give you a pat on the back. You guys lit a match. CCP poured gasoline on it. As much as I can sympathize this is what FW is. Core groups fighting over ground, pushing. Until one Major Free Lancer Group supports the efforts and we get the imbalance until the mold is broken a month later. Yeah you were right our efforts pre Region Flip was worth nothing, the Amarr FW scene was hugely under represented, and not organized. Now we are represented, supported, and organized.
Which is my point, the EVENT ****** the Minmatar. You gained numbers not because of loyalty but because of the rewards. The Matari had no rewards worth mentioning. Thus no forces worth gathering.
Sorry but I can't give the Amarr full credit for their sweeping victory. They definitely had the developers take their side on this one. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2995
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:00:00 -
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I don't need props beyond the initial flip of the districts our miltia caused. You are pretty na+»ve about FW aren't you......
Are you also talking about how the developers took your side last month basically releasing a statement with their concerns about how Minmatar and Gallente FW might break and cause the month long zone control you had.
Basically now that you are in the position the Amarr were last month you are giving up. That is not loyalty Cyrus.
Good luck to you in whatever you do. Hopefully you return one day to FW. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1266
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I don't need props beyond the initial flip of the districts our miltia caused. You are pretty na+»ve about FW aren't you......
Are you also talking about how the developers took your side last month basically releasing a statement with their concerns about how Minmatar and Gallente FW might break and cause the month long zone control you had.
Basically now that you are in the position the Amarr were last month you are giving up. That is not loyalty Cyrus.
Good luck to you in whatever you do. Hopefully you return one day to FW.
I'm sure you'll see me on the battleground but not my corp anymore. |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1507
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:19:00 -
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As True Adamance stated, the willingness and excitement of players to join PIE Ground Deployment and help fight for the Amarr is what turned the tide of FW.
At this point it sounds as if the naysayers are simply grasping at straws to whine about how we pulled ahead and pushed the Minmatar out. While the Minmatar had 100% control, you didn't see many Amarr loyalist making excuses or finding things to groan about, we simply silently continued to fight for our Empire. The moment we turn the tide in our favour and reclaim our land, we are accused of stacked teams, and people simply wanting the Amarr awards more than the other factions' .
I'm sorry, but these threads are simply cleverly disguised QQ threads on how we reclaimed OUR space.
You want it back?
Get organized Get EVE support Stop b******* about it Fight for it |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2996
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:19:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:True Adamance wrote:I don't need props beyond the initial flip of the districts our miltia caused. You are pretty na+»ve about FW aren't you......
Are you also talking about how the developers took your side last month basically releasing a statement with their concerns about how Minmatar and Gallente FW might break and cause the month long zone control you had.
Basically now that you are in the position the Amarr were last month you are giving up. That is not loyalty Cyrus.
Good luck to you in whatever you do. Hopefully you return one day to FW. I'm sure you'll see me on the battleground but not my corp anymore. Sorry to hear that. I will miss the impending sense of doom I feel when I know you are on the map. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2788
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:27:00 -
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Everyone is so quick to blame it on the rewards, but not many care to acknowledge that the Amarr were in the process of a giant surge gathering that just so happened to coincide with the event, or that both of those just so happened to coincide with the release of Uprising 1.5 where things could of been changed.
As far as the rewards though, both get their races prototype suits - I assume the Minmatar love their prototype just as much as the Amarr? Amarr get their prototype assault scrambler rifle, Minmatar get their prototype mass driver - I don't know about you, but I see many more mass drivers than I do assault scrambler rifles. And then equipment, which is all equally important. I'm just not buying the "Minmatar rewards suck so no ones playing for us" thing. You said it yourself, a lot of squads on the Amarr side. Perhaps the Amarr have been organizing a way to form the most squads? Perhaps you should try and get the Minmatar to squad up? I hear the Tribal Voices channel is pushing to get Minmatar supporters. |
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