Umm.. I think the MD is fine. I main the Boundless and EC-3 Assault variants on my MinLogi and they perform well as area denial and suppression weapons if fired from afar.

Md users in cities still give me a lot of grief. So I don't want it to have more power(but will htfu if it happens). Don't really know if it needs more ammo, never used it, just hate going against it:)

I like the boom effect and smoke ideas because of what they would add to the feel of the game.

The smoke might not be as effective because of the rise of the active scanner, but should be viable some of the time.

Well since they increase the HP from armor plates, then yeah MDs do need a slight buff.


As for ammo, MDs practically require to run hives or be in a squad with a logi running one.

I'm a Mass driver user.

Actually i found it fine (I'm a Master Level 4) about damage (maybe a little more on direct hits would be nice to Reward skill shot without penalizing splash shot).
It's not to powerful because shots are really f*cking slow.
The Rof is bad (The assault version shoots faster but shoots paper so......).




So actually i found it great BUT.

The main problem is than without aiming correctly we can't see the ennemy's life.
The MD is a weapon that we don't aim SO we don't see the ennemy life and we don't know if his shield is here or not so we can't do anything......
So we can't actually shoot a guy without trying to see his Hp during 3sec while he's shooting us.
There's the same problem with Reaparators we can't see (as a logi) when the allies need a repairs that's fucki*g annoying.

So actually the stats of the MD is fine (Maybe more damage on directs like 40hp would be great).
But with the new system of HUD it became hard to make something.....
Because to see ennemy's life we must shoot (and lose) one shot in his shield to see if we must shoot with flux or scrambler pistol before using MD.
And when a mag is 6 a single shot loss is really annoying.

Funny thing is, the MD is the same exact way as it was when it became FoTM. Only reason things changed back to the AR being FoTM was that aiming was fixed...or rather AA was cranked up. So while people tried to noobtube their way to kills, they were mowed down in a heartbeat thanks to aiming.

As a weapon, the MD is fine. Comparing it to other weapons and how effective those weapons are, is your mistake. It's still good at wildly shooting walls and around people to get kills. Splash dmg is still broken and the effect against armor is still good. Maybe you should do like heavies and camp certain areas of the map now.

Funny thing is, the MD is the same exact way as it was when it became FoTM. Only reason things changed back to the AR being FoTM was that aiming was fixed...or rather AA was cranked up. So while people tried to noobtube their way to kills, they were mowed down in a heartbeat thanks to aiming.

As a weapon, the MD is fine. Comparing it to other weapons and how effective those weapons are, is your mistake. It's still good at wildly shooting walls and around people to get kills. Splash dmg is still broken and the effect against armor is still good. Maybe you should do like heavies and camp certain areas of the map now.

I'm a Mass driver user.

Actually i found it fine (I'm a Master Level 4) about damage (maybe a little more on direct hits would be nice to Reward skill shot without penalizing splash shot).
It's not to powerful because shots are really f*cking slow.
The Rof is bad (The assault version shoots faster but shoots paper so......).




So actually i found it great BUT.

The main problem is than without aiming correctly we can't see the ennemy's life.
The MD is a weapon that we don't aim SO we don't see the ennemy life and we don't know if his shield is here or not so we can't do anything......
So we can't actually shoot a guy without trying to see his Hp during 3sec while he's shooting us.
There's the same problem with Reaparators we can't see (as a logi) when the allies need a repairs that's fucki*g annoying.

So actually the stats of the MD is fine (Maybe more damage on directs like 40hp would be great).
But with the new system of HUD it became hard to make something.....
Because to see ennemy's life we must shoot (and lose) one shot in his shield to see if we must shoot with flux or scrambler pistol before using MD.
And when a mag is 6 a single shot loss is really annoying.

So we all know the Mass driver has fallen in this build due to the power of automatic weapons, and many MANY nerfs

~various nonsense~

anyway ideas comments and opinions down below please and thank you.

Splash damge isn't broken. Most of us just upgrade our splash damage.

I want to see MD have "swap-able" ammo.

So you could fire of a clip of smoke rounds (that do minimal damage) and then reload with regular rounds and just pound out the reds.

This would be fantastic. I would love to be able to be able to choose between smoke, explosive, and flux. It wouldn't be OP as it takes so long to swap magazines.

This would add tactical options to the battle, something this game really needs.

This would be fantastic. I would love to be able to be able to choose between smoke, explosive, and flux. It wouldn't be OP as it takes so long to swap magazines.

This would add tactical options to the battle, something this game really needs.

Hell no not after what I went through with the MD+CaldariFTW shield tankers to hell with any buff or changes to the MD and yes IM BUTT HURT LIKE A MOTHER ******!

MD is fine, but if anything, I'd actually make some changes to it. I'd give it an additional 20% direct dmg, but reduce 2 rounds. Make the weapon require some aim. I'll gladly reward the user for direct hits (20% direct dmg buff) but if your aim sucks, you don't get to miss with all your shots and still kill opponents.

I still get 2-3 shotted by freedom MDs, throw in a flux and you'll drop a proto hybrid just as fast. You got to be kidding me about that buff.

For the love of....

Trying to make the MD a suppresive weapon not a killing weapon, not only that but do you realize how dificult it is to land every shot directly?

Yes I do, I've used the MD. It's actually not THAT hard. I agree there is an initial learning curve. It took me 3-4 matches to figure out how to use it. Then it became easy. As it stands right now, all you have to do is spam shots at ground near feet... you win. An avg 600hp victim can be killed by 1direct shot, and the rest can be misses. I can justify that if it were 400hp, not higher tanked suits. If you increase the dmg, and take away two rounds, those with good aim will still have NO problem killing players. (there are a number of good MDers that will agree) Those with bad aim who miss with most of their shots, will either die while reloading, or have to switch to a sidearm. This is how it is with most other weapons. Hey, I'd even be up for discussion on the size of direct dmg buff. Not happy with 20%? Give it 25%. Either way, it needs rounds reduced.

Persoally I'd settle for 50% more carried ammo.

Only reason I don't use MDs often is because I feel guilty kill stealing all the time and also because it's still pretty damn good. Flux MD combo is still devastating. Rather than change it now I agree with those guys before on adding different ammo types. Remove breach and assault variants, introduce wider splash or higher direct damage ammunition.

Then implement variants like (as suggested previously) a charge variant of the MD, or a 2 round burst variant. That is, MD variants should have different firing mechanics, and damage/splash should be determined by the ammunition used at the time. That'll make the weapon unique enough to shine in certain roles that people will fear it whilst not making it too mainstream by simply increasing ammo capacity or giving it more splash.