Aero, I wouldn't called it organisation and Amarr patriotism. It's just, like me, they want the Amarr proto logi suit reward. Amarr simply had more people specifically choosing their faction as sole preference.

And really, what I'm saying is I'm disatisfied that the FW pendulum is swing much mroe strongly by mere participation of numbers and only very weakly by skill, or organisation.

After all, how are we supposed to gather more people to the cause in Dust? There are almost zero community tools. And as an FPS, I'd much rather that it was about the quality of the fights and not the quantity of the mercs.

FW should be personal and not a game to play with your corp or alliance, if you are in a normal corp with members of every race.
But there are some roleplaying corps like PIE, that is a legitimate FW corp for example, i've always seen only amarr in their corp.
There should be some kind of system to reward your loyality to a race, like the corp and alliance chat channel, there should be a Faction channel.

Also, there should not be other events to play only in FW, they are breaking the metagame, most of people just think about their own interest instead of their race and don't care about the districts flip.
Scrambler would have been much more useful for me, but i will never play for amarr.

Zerg doesnt matter when its 16v16

If you cant beat the 16 in front you wont win

Interesting.

I wonder if this is working as intended? Once you get down to a small number of districts it seems like it wouldn't take that many people to overflow the number of places to defend.

Did you even read the post, or did you just completely fail to comprehend what was being said?
This is about overall district control and mechanics, not the actual matches themselves.

@OP - Does it still generate more attacks for the Amarr even if there aren't enough Minmatar players to fill the defence slots?
Would this lead directly to a numerical advantage/disadvantage in the actual match itself?

This is a pretty significant flaw in the district system it seems. I'll post here again later - I'm going to try and dig up some FoxFour posts on the district system.

Zerg doesnt matter when its 16v16

If you cant beat the 16 in front you wont win

So it occurs to me that Dust FW literally boils down to the zerg: whichever side is more popular is the side which earns all the districts. Being ~equal in popularity results in zero net movement.

You can have 1000 players for gallente vs 16players for caldari

If 1 match can only spawn the 16 caldari could beat all the gallente over time, they may have more players but if each gallente team cannot beat the 16 in front of them what can they do?

Zerg doesnt matter

Unless it spawns more battles without sufficient resistance against the Gallente.
I have experienced matches where there aren't full teams in FW for much of the match.

You can have 1000 players for gallente vs 16players for caldari

If 1 match can only spawn the 16 caldari could beat all the gallente over time, they may have more players but if each gallente team cannot beat the 16 in front of them what can they do?

Zerg doesnt matter

Technically you are correct in the exact scenario you spell out, however in reality there are plenty of people who multiqueue for all factions and therefore 'fill the gaps' as it were. You'll find the 1000 get more than a single fight - they get to fight unorganised randoms who don't care which faction they fight for - and don't even play together in squads for the most part.

So it occurs to me that Dust FW literally boils down to the zerg: whichever side is more popular is the side which earns all the districts. Being ~equal in popularity results in zero net movement.

Last week Amarr were down to 5 districts and now we own practically everything. It wasn't a sudden upsurge in quality, but of quantity because of the FW event. This meant that we filled all the defence contracts and starting raising attacked contracts of our own. Even if you assume an even number of losses and wins you'll find that once you've got more attacks going than defences this results in an inevitable increase in districts.

So all being good and organised can do is temporarily stem the flow. It's like trying to push water from one end of the bath to the other and keep it there - it'll all just immediately flow right back. Only by having more guys fighting for you will actually TILT the entire bath and result in any change.

Maybe this is just how FW is SUPPOSED to work, but I'd really prefer it work differently and rewarded skill and organisation [at the Faction level]. Does anyone else agree that this is completely unsatisfying?

Not seeing much of a point to go into FW battles if I'm gonna lose every time cuz the Amarr side always has a squad from a corp or two mixed squads communicating with each other and having no organized squads on my side ( Minmitar).

THEN ORGANIZE THEM YOURSELF.

Gods above its not all that hard. Make a channel, reside in that channel, invite core Minnie FWers to said channel, let word spread of your actions amongst the Minmatar and Amarr Militias....

Channel Grows, good players come, you have your fighting force.

As I have said before. Minmatar Militias are lazy FWers.

I'm not exactly someone who can gather a ton of people, sure I can make a channel but I wouldn't be able to encourage people to fight in these battles against a team with two or three squads filled with high SP characters with EVE support.

We already have channels, we already have players, we already have organization and all that. They just have exponentially more skilled players.

Its a tough situation because we are where your were last month.

The circumstances are exactly the same.

Could u invite me to those channels plz, or message me in game with the name of some of those channels plz

K I'll check it out later Cyrius

This is how it is in EVE side FW. The more people you have the harder it is to clear a system and the deplex it.
Just wait Idiom. If you want fair/ unfair matches fight Amarr after the event.

Were usually the more underrepresented FW group, also with the Gallente being tied up in their own FW you wont see half of the pseudo Minnie FW groups like Molon Labe, Prima Gallicus, Turalyon 514, and more.

(Are) people so broke in Dust that they will sell their allegiance for 5 million ISK? Maybe, I suppose.

I have seen you fight before, I hope to fight you again.

Same here

Yes the amarr bounes were good, I thought the caldari's was better but to each his own. This is incentive to fight and win for a faction, something that Would be really good to have for FW. If we gained loyalty points for fighting and wining battles and can spend them on FW goodies like state protectorate suits and the like.

From what I understand the amarr did a good job at recognising a potential boost in recruits and acted on it with good organization and recruitment. Sure there may not be a lot of 'fps' skill involved with co-ordinating corporations, but one of the collest things about this universe is the politics, and that's a skill in its own.

If anything I think this has set the bar on how FW teams need to be organize. This should serve as a wake up call for people to get their acts together and get all the assets they can before searching for a contract.
I tip my hat to the amarr

THEN ORGANIZE THEM YOURSELF.

Gods above its not all that hard. Make a channel, reside in that channel, invite core Minnie FWers to said channel, let word spread of your actions amongst the Minmatar and Amarr Militias....

Channel Grows, good players come, you have your fighting force.

As I have said before. Minmatar Militias are lazy FWers.

You have a point, but whats not being talked about is people switching sides simply because amarr has the momentum. No one likes to loose and there is nothing to keep players loyal to one particular faction. People are changing sides simply because the amarr are winning. Players will always take the easiest road to isk and WP/SP.

FW should be personal and not a game to play with your corp or alliance, if you are in a normal corp with members of every race.
But there are some roleplaying corps like PIE, that is a legitimate FW corp for example, i've always seen only amarr in their corp.
There should be some kind of system to reward your loyality to a race, like the corp and alliance chat channel, there should be a Faction channel.

Also, there should not be other events to play only in FW, they are breaking the metagame, most of people just think about their own interest instead of their race and don't care about the districts flip.
Scrambler would have been much more useful for me, but i will never play for amarr.

You don't have to be Amarr to fight for Amarr, Templar 1 was Caldari.

I've been told FW doesn't affect anything in EVE by a long time EVE pilot himself. What's the point in fighting anyway? The only thing I can think of, really, is the standings for your Alliance, and those things can be worked around.

Explain to me how coinciding with our control of 100% warzone in dust within the span of a few hours EVE side system control by the Amarr was 7 systems greater.

There are links to what it does. If you don't want to fight then don't, I will fight because I believe I am helping my corp, militia, and faction.

They tell me it helps so I'll keep doing it.

Hey BRO I don't know much about EVE, still a noob player (my own corp mate attacked me >_< but then I got his stuff :D) so I'm just going along what I've been told. Do you have it out for me or something? :'(

Nope, you are a plenty nice guy, great squaddy an all around good player.

Recent comments about PIE GD, and so forth have soured my disposition somewhat.

Shhh don't tell CBJ.

The problem, as Aero pointed out on the first page, is that each side attacks equally. I would suggest that attacks happen at a certain rate in each of the two wars, a district is chosen at random (either M/A or G/C), and then who's attacking and who's defending is based on who owns the district. It's a way to approximate that the more districts you own the more you'll end up defending. There's almost certainly a better way to do it, but at least this way should be relatively even-handed.

As for what I'd like to see, it would be nice to see more intent in FW. Right now it's random. Whether a planet is owned has consequences EVE-side, but it makes no sense to coordinate with EVE because we can't choose where to attack. I'm not sure how this gets done in the interface or balanced out in terms of availability vs. complexity, but it sure would be nice.