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Niuvo The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 607	Posted - 2013.10.15 04:14:00 - [31] - Quote I use them and they are quite the hassle to use. Hit them hard with dmg mods, and try to hp tank so you can survive the bad mechanics. that's how I've been doin it. yup I die too much. I can't wait til tehy get it right! I got a badass sidearm I just need a new light weapon because what we have right now is embarrassing.
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 99	Posted - 2013.10.15 04:32:00 - [32] - Quote I have been using knives since the late beta so i am a proffesional nova knifer, but i havent played dust often. anyways i know 1.4 was an issue due to aim assist with guns and bad knife hit detection. nonetheless i was still able to kill efficiently with them and also became very proficient with remote explosives as they can really work well with ur minja class. anyways emphasis on stealth has been greatly needed to do well ever since this new build. flankin is a must even if the long way is required and avoid getting near blueberry assaults as their profile can give your position away. you an use various tactics to lure your unsuspecting victims to their fate with explosives and hacking an installation to get them to rehack as you stab their backs. Also, if you go around to kill them from behind, be sure to place re on enemy uplinks. that way aftr you have eliminated the oppostion, you can detonate for more kills as well as eliminating their spawnpoints. Anyways if you wish you can invt me to ur battles so u can see how i do it. though i do hv my own fair share of bad matches as well but hey, its a hard life being a nova knifer. i also hv an alt that drives tanks :) oh and ccp said the nova knife fix has been pushed back
Feedeesex Venezuela CORP Amenaza Inminente 8	Posted - 2013.10.15 05:34:00 - [33] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. You have the Scout suit MK0 and Knifs Novas Ishukones?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 148	Posted - 2013.10.15 11:17:00 - [34] - Quote Niuvo wrote: I use them and they are quite the hassle to use. Hit them hard with dmg mods, and try to hp tank so you can survive the bad mechanics. that's how I've been doin it. yup I die too much. I can't wait til tehy get it right! I got a badass sidearm I just need a new light weapon because what we have right now is embarrassing. yeah, until they get fixed, i'm just gonna stick with my SG, SMG, M1 Grenade combo, because i've already wasted 14 million isk trying to get past the issues. plus, the fit i'm using now only costs me 11k as opposed to my proto fit that cost 120k.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 148	Posted - 2013.10.15 11:18:00 - [35] - Quote Feedeesex wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. You have the Scout suit MK0 and Knifs Novas Ishukones? yes i do. i've been knifing since uprising first launched.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 822	Posted - 2013.10.15 13:07:00 - [36] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: OZAROW wrote: In uprising I was killing it with knives an no gun, then they got worse an so did the way the game could be played with them. Leaving the house now without, armor or armor reps is foolish. Now it's better to be sneakier an slower as long as you have full health reps built into ur suit. Using a two low slot suit is the problem now. You need reps Damps Red an green Shield reg For a mini shields drop too fast, but gallente is too clunky to me to NK but awesome to sg. Awareness has increased in the game because of paranoid skannerfrainia! So it's not like before when you could bust 30 kill strictly knive games. Now it's combinations of sneakiness . Shotty Bombs Knives Nades An always a armor rep so you can continuously be at full health when you hide, remember lots of other suits have ewar now an ours is hardly better than theirs, then add hit detection an it's close to impossible if the hit doesn't land. If you miss, SHOOT, don't be stubborn . 90% of the time if I have enough health I can win a face on attack only if we don't lose each other by them jumping. If I'm close enough from the moment I'm spotted I sprint an quick slash, or I sg them or, I place a r/e, run to cut, if I miss I turn an run past my re, then I turn to shoot at them an walk them to my remote then BOOM Armor is king now which means speed means nothing. Your better off with a shield reg an arm rep on a mini, sg bombs , nades, knives, shields an a precision mod. An knife in cities, leave knifing as a main weapon an bring a ranged gun on the big open maps An attacking on a 45 angle works good thanks for the help. i re ently had a match where i went 24-5 in a 10k dragonfly fit. i was using a SG, SMG, and M1 nades. ive been practicing cooking my nades to get insta boom and as of late, iv been doing REALLY good with this combo. i also keep a k-2 nanohive to stay full on nades and a basic plate and enhanced rep. What fitting? My cheapest is Dragon scout Bpo Shield Arm rep Sg Toxin Kin Pay for m1 remotes cost 2700 My cheap knifer Min adv scout Ish blades Adv quantum Enh kin Basic arm rep Complex shield Enh precision Toxin Flux Proto knifer is the same but better gear Gallente shotguner 2shield K5 Toxin Enh shield reg an armor rep Quantum scanner My old killer proto knifer 3x complex shield 2x com kin Ish nk Re Flux Retired this I always bring a gun I have pro 4 smg so I advise a toxin with proficiency for low CPU cost an proto type damage to back up ur knives if you have proficiency
Feedeesex Venezuela CORP Amenaza Inminente 8	Posted - 2013.10.15 22:02:00 - [37] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Feedeesex wrote: [quote=TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR]with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. You have the Scout suit MK0 and Knifs Novas Ishukones? I speak Spanish and i was looking for solution for this problem, I'm really knifer and I think the solution is that it can run with loaded knives and to put more speed scanners, plus you lower the emissions profile .... please some love for explorers like us c: I used the google translator.
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 611	Posted - 2013.10.15 22:30:00 - [38] - Quote Feedeesex wrote: I speak Spanish and i was looking for solution for this problem, I'm really knifer and I think the solution is that it can run with loaded knives and to put more speed scanners, plus you lower the emissions profile .... please some love for explorers like us c: I used the google translator. Heh. We noticed. Will agree though. Knives need a fix, and FAST. 1.6 cannot come quick enough.
Jetti Daxcide Mechanised Enterprise Of War 28	Posted - 2013.10.15 22:38:00 - [39] - Quote well stop trying to use a sidearm as main weapon and you won't get killed as much
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 149	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:51:00 - [40] - Quote Feedeesex wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Feedeesex wrote: [quote=TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR]with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. You have the Scout suit MK0 and Knifs Novas Ishukones? I speak Spanish and i was looking for solution for this problem, I'm really knifer and I think the solution is that it can run with loaded knives and to put more speed scanners, plus you lower the emissions profile .... please some love for explorers like us c: I used the google translator. hablo ingles, pero estoy aprendiendo hablar espanol. ese es un idea bueno. he dicho que la mayoria de ese correcto?

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 163	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:55:00 - [41] - Quote Jetti Daxcide wrote: well stop trying to use a sidearm as main weapon and you won't get killed as much we've already been through this in previous posts in this thread. nova knives are different than other sidearms. in the hands of masters, can be used to wreak havoc on entire squads. its not the problem that is a sidearm. its other issues you can see Here
Feedeesex LATINOS KILLERS CORP Amenaza Inminente 11	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:22:00 - [42] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Feedeesex wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Feedeesex wrote: [quote=TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR]with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. You have the Scout suit MK0 and Knifs Novas Ishukones? I speak Spanish and i was looking for solution for this problem, I'm really knifer and I think the solution is that it can run with loaded knives and to put more speed scanners, plus you lower the emissions profile .... please some love for explorers like us c: I used the google translator. hablo ingles, pero estoy aprendiendo hablar espanol. ese es un idea bueno. he dicho que la mayoria de ese correcto? Has dicho bien la mayoria de las palabras,agregame y jugamos en PSN mi id es igual que mi nombre "Feedeesex"
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 164	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:30:00 - [43] - Quote suena bien.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1682	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:36:00 - [44] - Quote See Maken Tosch, Doubletap, Radar, or Travi Zyg.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 164	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:37:00 - [45] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: See Maken Tosch, Doubletap, Radar, or Travi Zyg. what now?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1682	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:40:00 - [46] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: what now? I don't know that they know, but they're the best I know. If I were seeking help with NKs, these would be the folks I'd consult. o7
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 164	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:49:00 - [47] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: what now? I don't know that they know, but they're the best I know. If I were seeking help with NKs, these would be the folks I'd consult. o7 even Maken is getting fed up with the NK bugs "I agree with the OP. Until the nova knives get the love they deserve, my smg and exile assault rifle are my own two best friends for now. As for you, Patrick, we wouldn't resort to using grenades so much if the nova knives weren't so nerfed." apparently, from a thread recently locked by ccp, these threads are "troll bait" threads to them. that thread is here
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 850	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:58:00 - [48] - Quote Quick Response: Don't get spotted, use stealth and attack lone wolves from behind while avoiding being spotted. Long more detailed response: I'm not a Nova Knifer. But I will offer you some wisdom I've learned from playing. If I see the nova knifer coming at me, he's a dead man/women. If that Knifer sneaks up on me, a backstab really hurts..hurts me to death. So what I'm saying is, don't hope to be able to run around like all the rest. Bringing a Knife to a gun fight head on will only lead to the same conclusion, no matter how many times you charged at someone head on, that is the definition of Insanity right there, repeating the same thing and expecting differn't results. Best bet is to play as stealthy as possible, stick to in doors when possible, hide and keep, admittidly scanners have made life for Assassins hard, but not impossible. Don't aim for more than 10 kills a game at most. Pick your fights and targets, go for the lone wolves not the herds. Use a scanner, if you see one person nearby, use your intel to get behind him. If you see multiple people, either keep low or relocate, Remember, you don't want to be spotted, think of it as playing MGS on Foxhound agent mode, spotted, game over. Even tho yes the Minja gets knife and melee bonus, I would go for Ginja if I wanted to try out nova knives, the scan bonus's do help give you that extra advantage over other suits and in helping keeping one step ahead. Yes scouts are weak and squishy, but their speed and mobilty is what your after, not their abilty to take bullets when spotted. Since your weapon choice puts you at a harsh disadvantage in a head on battle anyway, you don't really need HP since even if you run assault, you get spotted, your dead. At least scouts have the speed to make that get away to keep you alive in the times you are spotted, your abilty to move through terrain also helps alot. With a scanner you can know the enemy positions AND the way their facing. With the scouts speed and mobilty you can use that infomation to either single a target out and move to attack from behind or make the decision to fall back if needed.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 166	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:08:00 - [49] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Quick Response: Don't get spotted, use stealth and attack lone wolves from behind while avoiding being spotted. Long more detailed response: I'm not a Nova Knifer. But I will offer you some wisdom I've learned from playing. If I see the nova knifer coming at me, he's a dead man/women. If that Knifer sneaks up on me, a backstab really hurts..hurts me to death. So what I'm saying is, don't hope to be able to run around like all the rest. Bringing a Knife to a gun fight head on will only lead to the same conclusion, no matter how many times you charged at someone head on, that is the definition of Insanity right there, repeating the same thing and expecting differn't results. Best bet is to play as stealthy as possible, stick to in doors when possible, hide and keep, admittidly scanners have made life for Assassins hard, but not impossible. Don't aim for more than 10 kills a game at most. Pick your fights and targets, go for the lone wolves not the herds. Use a scanner, if you see one person nearby, use your intel to get behind him. If you see multiple people, either keep low or relocate, Remember, you don't want to be spotted, think of it as playing MGS on Foxhound agent mode, spotted, game over. Even tho yes the Minja gets knife and melee bonus, I would go for Ginja if I wanted to try out nova knives, the scan bonus's do help give you that extra advantage over other suits and in helping keeping one step ahead. Yes scouts are weak and squishy, but their speed and mobilty is what your after, not their abilty to take bullets when spotted. Since your weapon choice puts you at a harsh disadvantage in a head on battle anyway, you don't really need HP since even if you run assault, you get spotted, your dead. At least scouts have the speed to make that get away to keep you alive in the times you are spotted, your abilty to move through terrain also helps alot. With a scanner you can know the enemy positions AND the way their facing. With the scouts speed and mobilty you can use that infomation to either single a target out and move to attack from behind or make the decision to fall back if needed. thanks for the reply. if a target is moving you CAN'T hit them, because the hit detection is so bad. you see their shields fluctuate, but NO health goes down. i'm not just blindly running at people. i've been scouting for months, so i know how to avoid confrontation. before 1.4, nova knives were amazing in skilled hands. it was inly when i mastered NKs that i got my KDR positive. as in i was going 20+/0-3 EVERY match. but none of that matters anymore because ccp managed to break the knives even more than they already were. it seems like everything WILL face the nerf hammer except for the AR.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 851	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:14:00 - [50] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: if a target is moving you CAN'T hit them, because the hit detection is so bad. you see their shields fluctuate, but NO health goes down. i'm not just blindly running at people. i've been scouting for months, so i know how to avoid confrontation. before 1.4, nova knives were amazing in skilled hands. it was inly when i mastered NKs that i got my KDR positive. as in i was going 20+/0-3 EVERY match. but none of that matters anymore because ccp managed to break the knives even more than they already were. it seems like everything WILL face the nerf hammer except for the AR. Don't worry I got a feeling AR's will be nerfed last so the people who rely on it as a crutch will think their actually good and then when the AR is balanced those players will fall so hard from grace all the pain, suffering and strife the rest of us have felt will be washed away by the flood of their tears.

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 166	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:17:00 - [51] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: if a target is moving you CAN'T hit them, because the hit detection is so bad. you see their shields fluctuate, but NO health goes down. i'm not just blindly running at people. i've been scouting for months, so i know how to avoid confrontation. before 1.4, nova knives were amazing in skilled hands. it was inly when i mastered NKs that i got my KDR positive. as in i was going 20+/0-3 EVERY match. but none of that matters anymore because ccp managed to break the knives even more than they already were. it seems like everything WILL face the nerf hammer except for the AR. Don't worry I got a feeling AR's will be nerfed last so the people who rely on it as a crutch will think their actually good and then when the AR is balanced those players will fall so hard from grace all the pain, suffering and strife the rest of us have felt will be washed away by the flood of their tears. this...this is the reason the rest of us still play DUST
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2013.10.21 18:41:00 - [52] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: I always think it's strange when people think Nova Knives are a direct combat weapon. Sure: you can charge at someone with NKs or jump into a flood of people and go happy hunting, but it's the same concept as using a Sniper as a direct combat weapon; you can do it, most of the time it doesn't work well and those who can use it as a combat weapon are simply masters of the art. From my perspective, Nova Knives are a side-arm; not a light weapon, not a heavy weapon- a sidearm. Just like the Scrambler Pistol, Core Flaylock, and SMG, generally it's not the first choice when going into combat. Sidearms are situational weapons used to SUPPLEMENT the primary weapon, not be the primary weapon. I actually haven't had hit detection problems with the Nova Knives. Why? Probably because I only use them to hit stationary targets. Sniper? Nova Knives. Hacker? Nova Knives. Installation gunner? Nova Knives. Stationary enemy? Nova Knives. Sprinting Assault in the middle of the road? NOT Nova Knives. Large group of enemies? NOT Nova Knives. Tank? NOT Nova Knives. Nova Knives aren't supposed to be a weapon meant for mass murder; get an HMG if you want that. The first step to getting good with the NKs is to know the place and the appropriate time to use the NKs (and sidearms in general). I guess the knife is supposed to tickle when you stab someone in the back with it? Its a weapon, if someone gets shanked in the back it WILL do either 2 things: kill them or severely weaken them depending on the knife proficiency lv. It says in the description that it carves through even the thickest armor, sounds like a murder weapon to me lol. I one shot heavies with it using the Minmatar suit of course. Even in Battlefield and other shooter games if you get someone with a knife they don't walk away giggling. I have fittings using just the knife and manage to get plenty of kills with them, when the hit detection works. Seems to happen more often with the Advance level knives for me.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 18	Posted - 2013.10.21 19:00:00 - [53] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. Hit detection issues seem to happen more often for me when I use the Advance level knives, not sure why but it happens more with them. When I use the Ishukone knives kills are more consistent and the knives don't go straight through people as much. When they start to back pedal your best bet is to immediately break off and find cover if you are running just knives. You want them to lose line of sight of you so you get the opening to immediately flank them again while they are searching for you. Rarely do I attempt to keep running at someone that can just step backwards and hip fire, at that point you are at a disadvantage and are playing their game instead of forcing them to play yours. If they have scanners do not attempt to charge them, your tactical advantage is gone, get distance between them and wait until it stops and choose another route. Another thing you can try in tight corridors is charging your knife before you step around the corner if you see someone nearby and immediately swipe as they come around. Timing is important, you want them to see you at the very last second as they turn. Its a very useful tactic and normally catches people off guard, but only do this if your proficiency is at least a couple levels into it. You gotta be more patient with them, stay around corners or in shadows unseen and wait for them to turn their backs then sneak up on them, pick off organized squads by attacking the look out first and picking off stragglers bringing up the rear then make your way to the front. After every kill I dart off around a corner to see if anyone reacts to see if they are communicating with each other. You can use downed enemies as bait for people trying to revive them and flank them as well. The best thing to do is move and strike fast and vanish from sight, never stay out in the open for more than necessary. Use squads as a diversion, while they engage the enemy that is your chance to slip out of sight and approach from the rear, many people get tunnel vision and this is your chance to get closer.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 182	Posted - 2013.10.21 21:33:00 - [54] - Quote Admonishment wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: with all due respect, if you don't use nova knives, then don't troll post in this thread. you can still post, but dont post crap like, "stop your QQing" or "get gud scrub." anyway, as the title says, i'm a nova knifer looking for help. back before 1.4, i used to be so good with nova knives, but ever since, its just gone downhill...then i see awesome posts of people going like 35-2 with nova knives, which causes me to raise my head and think, "maybe nova knives still are useable." the 2 biggest gripes for me are: 1. THE HIT DETECTION: seriously when it comes to any moving target its near impossible (at least for me) to get a hit that will actually register. its not that i'm missing, because i see the targets shields fluctuate, but no health goes down. this wasn't as much of a problem before, especially since you used to be able to sprint-charge. why they took that out is beyond me. i donnt have a problem with them removing that if THE HIT DETECTION WASN'T SO BAD. i swear, i used to love jumping into a crowd of reds with my knife bros and wreaking havoc then running for our lives (and actually being able to survive for more than a second.) can't do that anymore. earlier today i got killed by an assault rifle that did 600 damage to me in less than 2 seconds( i only have 300 health). 2. THE BACKPEDAL: again, how the hell do you deal with this now? they backpedal as fast as you walk forward, and when you finally get close enough to hit, the hit doesn't even ******* register. before, i used to jump behind them, while in mid air sprint-charge my knives, then run around a corner or something, then when they turn to kill me and try that backpedal BS, i hit them while i'm sprinting and they get good 900-1000 damage to their suit. i've already lost nearly 10 mill isk trying to force myself to get good with them again. any help would be greatly appreciated, because i'm really losing hope for this game. i've been here since november and this is the first time i've said that. nova knives were the reason i played this game, and now i cant seem to use them anymore. i've tried the SG and i'm REALLY good with it, but i want to use nova knives. any advice, i mean ANY advice towards getting better with these is GREATLY appreciated. Hit detection issues seem to happen more often for me when I use the Advance level knives, not sure why but it happens more with them. When I use the Ishukone knives kills are more consistent and the knives don't go straight through people as much. When they start to back pedal your best bet is to immediately break off and find cover if you are running just knives. You want them to lose line of sight of you so you get the opening to immediately flank them again while they are searching for you. Rarely do I attempt to keep running at someone that can just step backwards and hip fire, at that point you are at a disadvantage and are playing their game instead of forcing them to play yours. If they have scanners do not attempt to charge them, your tactical advantage is gone, get distance between them and wait until it stops and choose another route. Another thing you can try in tight corridors is charging your knife before you step around the corner if you see someone nearby and immediately swipe as they come around. Timing is important, you want them to see you at the very last second as they turn. Its a very useful tactic and normally catches people off guard, but only do this if your proficiency is at least a couple levels into it. You gotta be more patient with them, stay around corners or in shadows unseen and wait for them to turn their backs then sneak up on them, pick off organized squads by attacking the look out first and picking off stragglers bringing up the rear then make your way to the front. After every kill I dart off around a corner to see if anyone reacts to see if they are communicating with each other. You can use downed enemies as bait for people trying to revive them and flank them as well. The best thing to do is move and strike fast and vanish from sight, never stay out in the open for more than necessary. Use squads as a diversion, while they engage the enemy that is your chance to slip out of sight and approach from the rear, many people get tunnel vision and this is your chance to get closer. excellent advice. i've got prof.to 3 and i can compensate for the lack the rest with a complex dmg mod. i've tried using them, and surpisingly, they actually work sometimes (SOMETIMES). when they do, i'm getting like 25-4 scores like i used to. sadly i only have the minnie light frame mk.0 not the scout, but i have gallente scout to 3 and use the 'neo' proto gk.0. it feels good to have 2 scouts, each great in their own way.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 62	Posted - 2013.10.21 23:03:00 - [55] - Quote Admonishment wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: [...] Nova Knives aren't supposed to be a weapon meant for mass murder; get an HMG if you want that. [...] I guess the knife is supposed to tickle when you stab someone in the back with it? Its a weapon, if someone gets shanked in the back it WILL do either 2 things: kill them or severely weaken them depending on the knife proficiency lv. It says in the description that it carves through even the thickest armor, sounds like a murder weapon to me lol. I one shot heavies with it using the Minmatar suit of course. Even in Battlefield and other shooter games if you get someone with a knife they don't walk away giggling. I have fittings using just the knife and manage to get plenty of kills with them, when the hit detection works. Seems to happen more often with the Advance level knives for me. I'll assume this is the line to which you referring with your "murder" comment. I never stated the weapon wasn't meant for murder; I said the weapon wasn't meant for mass murder. Yes, if you knife someone it's going to do something. Slashing someone with a butcher's cleaver will also cripple/kill, but that doesn't mean the cleaver is for mass murder. Sure, you can use it for mass murder, but that doesn't mean it's the intended purpose. I experienced the bad hit detection the other day for the first time. I don't understand if you're trying to make a point or just making a statement.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 186	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:51:00 - [56] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: Admonishment wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: [...] Nova Knives aren't supposed to be a weapon meant for mass murder; get an HMG if you want that. [...] I guess the knife is supposed to tickle when you stab someone in the back with it? Its a weapon, if someone gets shanked in the back it WILL do either 2 things: kill them or severely weaken them depending on the knife proficiency lv. It says in the description that it carves through even the thickest armor, sounds like a murder weapon to me lol. I one shot heavies with it using the Minmatar suit of course. Even in Battlefield and other shooter games if you get someone with a knife they don't walk away giggling. I have fittings using just the knife and manage to get plenty of kills with them, when the hit detection works. Seems to happen more often with the Advance level knives for me. I'll assume this is the line to which you referring with your "murder" comment. I never stated the weapon wasn't meant for murder; I said the weapon wasn't meant for mass murder. Yes, if you knife someone it's going to do something. Slashing someone with a butcher's cleaver will also cripple/kill, but that doesn't mean the cleaver is for mass murder. Sure, you can use it for mass murder, but that doesn't mean it's the intended purpose. I experienced the bad hit detection the other day for the first time. I don't understand if you're trying to make a point or just making a statement. that's the thing. those of us who mastered them COULD use them for "mass murder" but because of the hit detection we can no longer do that. all of our months of practice go out the window when our hits dont even register.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 62	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:21:00 - [57] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: that's the thing. those of us who mastered them COULD use them for "mass murder" but because of the hit detection we can no longer do that. all of our months of practice go out the window when our hits dont even register. OK. I recognize those facts and I agree; they could be used for mass murder, even though that's not the intended purpose, and the possibility they could be used for "mass murder" isn't valid due to faulty hit detection.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 238	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:35:00 - [58] - Quote As already stated hit detection is too broken to use the NKs. I could deal with the fix to sprint/charge, but when they changed aiming mechanics.......AGAIN, it broke the hit detection. We just need to wait until CCP fixes the HD, in the mean time I would suggest not worrying about hitting moving targets with charged blades. Instead work on getting uncharged blades to do more damage with sidearm dmg mods and carry an assault SMG. Thats usually what I have stuck to and its working a little better. But AR514 is king at this point. Even shotgun has poor hit detection issues that have seemed to come back after the "hot fix" Sadly, scouts are at the bottom end of the totem behind heavys. While medium assault suits with 1000hp seem to continue to get buffs. Facts of life on hard mode.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 188	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:52:00 - [59] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: that's the thing. those of us who mastered them COULD use them for "mass murder" but because of the hit detection we can no longer do that. all of our months of practice go out the window when our hits dont even register. OK. I recognize those facts and I agree; they could be used for mass murder, even though that's not the intended purpose, and the possibility they could be used for "mass murder" isn't valid due to faulty hit detection. finally someone who gets it.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 188	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:57:00 - [60] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: As already stated hit detection is too broken to use the NKs. I could deal with the fix to sprint/charge, but when they changed aiming mechanics.......AGAIN, it broke the hit detection. We just need to wait until CCP fixes the HD, in the mean time I would suggest not worrying about hitting moving targets with charged blades. Instead work on getting uncharged blades to do more damage with sidearm dmg mods and carry an assault SMG. Thats usually what I have stuck to and its working a little better. But AR514 is king at this point. Even shotgun has poor hit detection issues that have seemed to come back after the "hot fix" Sadly, scouts are at the bottom end of the totem behind heavys. While medium assault suits with 1000hp seem to continue to get buffs. Facts of life on hard mode. pretty much. i've been trying to practice jumping onto the target to hit them while they are moving. the only problem is that if they take one step to the left or right, you're sitting duck for a good couple of seconds. also, until NKs get fixed i've been maining SG only rarely coming back to NKs. i've even started working on getting gallente scout to proto. i've got it to advanced and use my 400 neo proto suits. its nice to have 2 proto scouts, each great in its own way, though they all need buffs to pg/cpu.



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